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My pitbulls ate my neighbors cat

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There's this one cat that always runs around our house and is annoying as hell always antagonizing my dogs. Well he decided he'd try and run threw the backyard today, Little did he know my 3 pits were outside at the time. Needless to say the cat made it about half way and by the time i could run downstairs and open the door the cat was mangled. Didn't even really look like much of a cat! Sorry for all you cat lovers out there, i guess he had just ran outta lives! My neighbors are complete a$$holes by the way since i've been in this house. Now the question is.... Do i tell my neighbors that my dogs ate their cat?
 
no dont tell them.. cause you might end up losing your dogs.. it was on your property so you can't get in trouble i dont think but.. they could do something to your dogs..
 
No, they will probably deem your dogs as harmful and try to get a judge to put them down.....
 
the peoples who cat is was could do something to harm your dogs.. if they were really pissed..
 
Phaded said:
the peoples who cat is was could do something to harm your dogs.. if they were really pissed..
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This is all very true, Its kinda funny now normally i'd feel bad for the cat, but that cat had it comming to him.
 
surferstar said:
This is all very true, Its kinda funny now normally i'd feel bad for the cat, but that cat had it comming to him.
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You need to read your own avatar.

If your pits can't tolerate the presence of a cat without ripping it from limb to limb, it may be just a matter of time before they do the same to a child.

That said, while telling the neighbors would be the decent thing to do, they probably wouldn't take it the right way and might take legal action against you and your dogs, so I don't think you have anything to gain by telling them, and may have much to lose, so don't bother. Your best bet is to play ignorant.
 
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Dude don't tell them shit. They'll probably suspect something anyway. Bury the cat, cover it with lime. Make sure you cut off the paws so they can't ID the remains, might wanna pull it's teeth as well.

Should probably make sure your dogs have a good solid alibi, too.

"Officer my dogs were with my wife at the doggy park"
 
If you tell them, they WILL poison your dogs. I know I would. and sort you out too. So be careful. As long as nobody knows you should be sweet, but what the fuck are you doing with 3 pitbulls? Paranoid?

Get rid of 2 of them and live stress free. I did with my English Bull Terriers and got over the loss knowing they were in good hands and the stress of not having 3 dogs made it worthwhile.
 
Mr. dB said:
If your pits can't tolerate the presence of a cat without ripping it from limb to limb, it may be just a matter of time before they do the same to a child.
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Well said. Pits have a nice history of being aggresive. I can see Mr. db's avitar right now meowing.
 
sawastea said:
I always thought cats were a lot more agile that dogs. Amazing the pits got it
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I have an 80 (maybe more) rottie mix that can clear a 4ft wall. My parents use to have a shepard that could clear a 5ft fence. We also had a shepard/huskie mix that would jump at your throat in less than 30 seconds if you got too close.

Dogs are very agile.
 
Angel said:
No, they will probably deem your dogs as harmful and try to get a judge to put them down.....
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Something like that yah.

While part of me thinks it's sad that they lost their cat - they chose to let their cat roam at large on your property therefore in theory the dogs wouldn't be found guilty of being dangerous dogs.

Had they been roaming free and killed your neighbor's cat off your property that would be a different story.
 
velvett said:
Something like that yah.

While part of me thinks it's sad that they lost their cat - they chose to let their cat roam at large on your property therefore in theory the dogs wouldn't be found guilty of being dangerous dogs.

Had they been roaming free and killed your neighbor's cat off your property that would be a different story.
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that is what i was thinking. If the dogs went into the neighbors yard and ate the kitty then that would be a whole nother story.But seeings how the cat "intruded" on the dogs space then it seems to be the cats faukt IMO.Although i know if some thing like this happened to my cat then i would be upset reguardless.
 
Angel said:
that is what i was thinking. If the dogs went into the neighbors yard and ate the kitty then that would be a whole nother story.But seeings how the cat "intruded" on the dogs space then it seems to be the cats faukt IMO.Although i know if some thing like this happened to my cat then i would be upset reguardless.
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The cat has balls screwing with 3 pit bulls.

I guess animals don't rational like us humans they just live and ask questions later.
 
Mr. dB said:
You need to read your own avatar.

If your pits can't tolerate the presence of a cat without ripping it from limb to limb, it may be just a matter of time before they do the same to a child.

That said, while telling the neighbors would be the decent thing to do, they probably wouldn't take it the right way and might take legal action against you and your dogs, so I don't think you have anything to gain by telling them, and may have much to lose, so don't bother. Your best bet it to play ignorant.
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Cat Lover
 
velvett said:
The cat has balls screwing with 3 pit bulls.

I guess animals don't rational like us humans they just live and ask questions later.
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LOL, well like i said in jens thread about hitting the kitty. I dont think that cats think like us humans at all. Their balls are too big.The run out in front of traffic, they "play" with dogs, they climb trees and get stuck,etc..They should think before they act.
 
velvett said:
The cat has balls screwing with 3 pit bulls.

I guess animals don't rational like us humans they just live and ask questions later.
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Well the stupid cat would walk to the otherside of the fence and like tease them. So they've wanted that thing for like 2 months now. He takes little shits on my driveway too that lil F'er :kapow: but not anymore....
 
tell the people their cat ain't comin home, or be the reason people can't stand pit bulls to begin with.
 
velvett said:
Something like that yah.

While part of me thinks it's sad that they lost their cat - they chose to let their cat roam at large on your property therefore in theory the dogs wouldn't be found guilty of being dangerous dogs.

Had they been roaming free and killed your neighbor's cat off your property that would be a different story.
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Too bad you can't tell a cat "Don't go in the Jones' yard."
 
Mr. dB said:
Too bad you can't tell a cat "Don't go in the Jones' yard."
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Cats don't know the difference between coyotes and dogs...

Mr. dB said:
Well, he was a wild animal, and wild animals never die a pretty death. Not many of them die of old age either. Prey animals are taken by predators and eaten. Predators usually meet with some sort of trauma, or are taken by larger predators who see them as competition.

As grisly as being run over by a car must be, at least it was over in an instant for the poor fellow, instead of the terror of being ripped limb from limb by a coyote.
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An animal is an animal and when they are in the wild (or your neighbors yard) they will have to take their chances and their human owners will just have face the music as well.
























I know, I know.
Sorry the door was wide open and I had to step through.
:rose:
 
I think that if the cat is in your yard and gets harmed by your dog it is nothing to worry about. I get upset when animals die, i might have too much guilt, to not go tell the neighbors. I would also make public record of it if you have no liability. that way if your dogs get poisoned you have record of all of this and it isn't just all "heresay"
 
Angel said:
LOL, well like i said in jens thread about hitting the kitty. I dont think that cats think like us humans at all. Their balls are too big.The run out in front of traffic, they "play" with dogs, they climb trees and get stuck,etc..They should think before they act.
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Yeh right! Stupid cats..
 
They know you have pitbulls. Ye they STILL let their cats roam free - knowing the risk.

Clearly they care little about their cats .. and neither should you You did nothing wrong, don't fret about it.
 
the cat may have had it coming
but those moments of terror outnumbered and being pulled apart is disgusting
I don't know how you can jest about it
suppose somebody took your dogs and duck taped them and then tortured them?
well that was about what that cat experienced
 
surferstar said:
There's this one cat that always runs around our house and is annoying as hell always antagonizing my dogs. Well he decided he'd try and run threw the backyard today, Little did he know my 3 pits were outside at the time. Needless to say the cat made it about half way and by the time i could run downstairs and open the door the cat was mangled. Didn't even really look like much of a cat! Sorry for all you cat lovers out there, i guess he had just ran outta lives! My neighbors are complete a$$holes by the way since i've been in this house. Now the question is.... Do i tell my neighbors that my dogs ate their cat?
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devil dogs i keep sayin'.
 
Sounds like you are proud of yourself. You wouldn't be so proud if one of those dangerous and unnecessary animals launched an attack on a person.
 
riverrock said:
Sounds like you are proud of yourself. You wouldn't be so proud if one of those dangerous and unnecessary animals launched an attack on a person.
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there's a big difference between a cat, which dogs see as prey, and humans, who dogs see as their superiors when trained property. A trained dog rarely will turn on humans without cause.
 
no, don't tell them if you want to preserve whatever is left of your neighbourly relationship, silence is golden

if they ask, say you have no clue where the cat is, in fact you have not seen it at all, maybe you have seen in once in the past few weeks and you thought it was absolutely adorable.... smile and tell them if you happen to see it you will announce them asap...

end conversation and if they dont believe you show them a photo of a cat and pretend it was yours and you were so devastated when you lost yours ...;)


(sorry cat lovers but its not worth ruining a relationship over a cat espcailly when you are planning on living next to these people for the next couple of years).........
 
i do feel bad for that cat that got ripped to shreds.
 
Lestat said:
there's a big difference between a cat, which dogs see as prey, and humans, who dogs see as their superiors when trained property. A trained dog rarely will turn on humans without cause.
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I don't think they see the cat as prey so much as a competing preditor.
 
Mr. dB said:
I don't think they see the cat as prey so much as a competing preditor.
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you think so? Its possible. But I think they see them as prey too.
 
Dial_tone said:
tell the people their cat ain't comin home, or be the reason people can't stand pit bulls to begin with.
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Agreed

I'd rather live next to a couple dozen cats then three pit bulls, wtf are you running a drug cartel out of your basement or some shit?
 
chewyxrage said:
Dude don't tell them shit. They'll probably suspect something anyway. Bury the cat, cover it with lime. Make sure you cut off the paws so they can't ID the remains, might wanna pull it's teeth as well.

Should probably make sure your dogs have a good solid alibi, too.

"Officer my dogs were with my wife at the doggy park"
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[* in Sam Kinneson voice from "Back To School *]
"yeah.......I like the way you think."


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Cats are just stupid. No loyalty. Stop feeding them they wouldnt even give a shit about u. You drop dead in your house and guess what, ol kitty will be eating you within 24hrs. Ever see a kitten when they are born? They hiss at u instinctively.

And its a personal choice for you telling them. If it had been a small dog then yes you would be required to tell them. A cat, the law dont care.
 
Mr. dB said:
Too bad you can't tell a cat "Don't go in the Jones' yard."
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too bad we can't send some 250lb lion over there to administer justice
 
galaxy said:
Cats are just stupid. No loyalty. Stop feeding them they wouldnt even give a shit about u. You drop dead in your house and guess what, ol kitty will be eating you within 24hrs. Ever see a kitten when they are born? They hiss at u instinctively.

And its a personal choice for you telling them. If it had been a small dog then yes you would be required to tell them. A cat, the law dont care.
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quit feeding the pit bulls for about a week and half and then toss our guy hand cuffed into his own back yard and what happens?
 
Mr. dB said:
You need to read your own avatar.

If your pits can't tolerate the presence of a cat without ripping it from limb to limb, it may be just a matter of time before they do the same to a child.

That said, while telling the neighbors would be the decent thing to do, they probably wouldn't take it the right way and might take legal action against you and your dogs, so I don't think you have anything to gain by telling them, and may have much to lose, so don't bother. Your best bet is to play ignorant.
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Do a little research about apbt before stating something not so smart. I also have 3 apbt and they are the most affectionate dogs I've ever had. Growing up I had chows, german shepards, greyhounds, schnauzers, and tons of muts. Pits are the best dogs I've ever owned. My daughter has a really specail bond with my dogs. I have 200lbs of lap dogs and my male, who is 85lbs, is the biggest lap dog of them all. I've spent a lot of money on my dogs to ensure I have a properly bred dog. Lets say I bought my dog from someone who sells a bunch of dope, well then there might be a problem. Backyard breeders really hurt the image of pits.

BOOGS
 
cboogsrun said:
Do a little research about apbt before stating something not so smart. I also have 3 apbt and they are the most affectionate dogs I've ever had. Growing up I had chows, german shepards, greyhounds, schnauzers, and tons of muts. Pits are the best dogs I've ever owned. My daughter has a really specail bond with my dogs. I have 200lbs of lap dogs and my male, who is 85lbs, is the biggest lap dog of them all. I've spent a lot of money on my dogs to ensure I have a properly bred dog. Lets say I bought my dog from someone who sells a bunch of dope, well then there might be a problem. Backyard breeders really hurt the image of pits.

BOOGS
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And you think dogs that rip apart a cat just because it's in their territory is ok? A properly trained and all around friendly dog would NOT rip a cat to shreds. They may run after it but as soon as they get it cornered, they just smell it then maybe chase it some more just to have fun. Any dog(s) that rip another animal to shreds the instant they see it is a danger to the entire neighborhood
 
Rename this thread "My neighbor's pussy got tore apart doggystyle"
 
Delinquent said:
And you think dogs that rip apart a cat just because it's in their territory is ok? A properly trained and all around friendly dog would NOT rip a cat to shreds. They may run after it but as soon as they get it cornered, they just smell it then maybe chase it some more just to have fun. Any dog(s) that rip another animal to shreds the instant they see it is a danger to the entire neighborhood
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Don't confused well trained w/ friendly.

All of my family's dogs were well trained. However, we had one that would grab a seagull out of the air if it flew within jumping distance over our yard. That dog never bit anyone & liked children. However, it was very protective over my family and our property.

Speaking of cats, my mother's cats (they were street cats) kill birds (and attacked a baby squirrel) that enter our yard on a daily basis and leaves them on her porch.

EDIT, I forgot about another cat she had, Mr. Moon. That 20lb fat thing (he was a street cat; would go out all the time) would fight with stray small dogs all the time. I witnessed him start a fight.
 
I don't remember the movie
but in it some jewel theives thwarted the guard dogs by tossing them some sort of peanut butter-meat mixture balls
the dogs went for the food and their jaws got all fouled on the shit
 
4everhung said:
the cat may have had it coming
but those moments of terror outnumbered and being pulled apart is disgusting
I don't know how you can jest about it
suppose somebody took your dogs and duck taped them and then tortured them?
well that was about what that cat experienced
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SO your saying that if i took my dogs, ducked taped them and then tortured them, that would be the same as the cat running threw my backyard? We'll your the only one who threw negative K so you must be that stupid. So I guess if you walk into the heart of columbia threw a cocaine field with 3 guys with guns and try to run down the middle of the field hoping they won't shoot you, i guess thats the same as me dragging you out your house duck taping you and torturing you.
Yah thats about the same. K to you!
 
riverrock said:
Sounds like you are proud of yourself. You wouldn't be so proud if one of those dangerous and unnecessary animals launched an attack on a person.
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dangerous and unnecessary animal? LOL my parents little shit zu has bitten people and my pits have never once. i guess he's an unnecessary animal as well.
 
The dogs acted on instinct.


You on the other hand seem to be taking great pride in your dog's actions. That attitude is the single biggest problem facing pit bull dogs today, even more than the dog's aggressiveness.
 
pdaddy said:
Agreed

I'd rather live next to a couple dozen cats then three pit bulls, wtf are you running a drug cartel out of your basement or some shit?
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Youd rather have a couple dozen cats that could give two shits about you than 3 of the most loyal dogs in the world? ANd yah im protecting my lab downstairs.
its called EMP Labs




Eat My Pussy Labs
 
Delinquent said:
And you think dogs that rip apart a cat just because it's in their territory is ok? A properly trained and all around friendly dog would NOT rip a cat to shreds. They may run after it but as soon as they get it cornered, they just smell it then maybe chase it some more just to have fun. Any dog(s) that rip another animal to shreds the instant they see it is a danger to the entire neighborhood
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Imagine that, a territorial dog. The way a dog reacts to an animal and human are completely different. Again do a little research on the history of apbt's then make an educated comment. They were/are bred to fight. If they can't be handled in the "pit" by their owners, what good is the dog? I'll help you on this one, do a google search on bullbaiting.

BOOGS
 
Pitbulls score in the 95th percentile on temperment testing. They are always in the top 5 breeds. You should be more concerned about cockerspaniels, they lead the pack on bites. Mixed dogs are by far the most dangerous.
 
cboogsrun said:
Pitbulls score in the 95th percentile on temperment testing. They are always in the top 5 breeds. You should be more concerned about cockerspaniels, they lead the pack on bites. Mixed dogs are by far the most dangerous.
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YEP!!

I have a rottie/shepard mix. Everytime I walk him, some dumbass owner of a cockerspaniel or other rat dog lets their dog run loose. All my dog wants is to go to the bathroom in peace. SO, they run up to Samson and want to snip & bark at him.
 
4everhung said:
the cat may have had it coming
but those moments of terror outnumbered and being pulled apart is disgusting
I don't know how you can jest about it
suppose somebody took your dogs and duck taped them and then tortured them?
well that was about what that cat experienced
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Well if they took my dog off my property I'd guess I'd have to fuck them up in the first place. Here's an example how the media has all of you guys fucked up. My GF let me dogs out to go potty, they were in my yard, some asshole who walks up and down the street maces my dogs. On my property! Yet across the street there is a 140lb rotty and he never maces that dog. Why? Because he is friends with the dogs owner. 1 of my 3 dogs is game bred and doesn't look like a typical pit, he didn't mace her, in fact he petted her. Everyone is quick to jump on the media bandwaggon about pitbulls. I would invite everyone to come to my house and actually meet a well bred dog. It would change your perspective.

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amen brotha
-zk.
 
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Socializing any dog at an early age is very important. It doesn't sound like the dude owns cats, so socializing his dogs to cats might have been very difficult. You should watch that show the dog whisperer. He has some really nice looking pits on his show, they are very well behaved.

BOOGS
 
velvett said:
The cat has balls screwing with 3 pit bulls.

I guess animals don't rational like us humans they just live and ask questions later.
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Cats have big balls at times. My cat will stand up to my Australian Shephard anytime. Just crazy, Pete will be at the end of his chain and Maxx will inch up to him. Ballzy


About your situation, I wouldn't tell them. It wouldn't be the first time someone poisoned dogs out of revenge. It happens here now and then, but people let thier dogs run free here. "small town."

Whiskey
 
cboogsrun said:
Pitbulls score in the 95th percentile on temperment testing. They are always in the top 5 breeds. You should be more concerned about cockerspaniels, they lead the pack on bites. Mixed dogs are by far the most dangerous.
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There are far more cocker spaniels than pits so that is a fallacious statistic. While I don't believe some of pitbull danger claims, a mean owner can turn a pitbull into a killing machine. A cocker is not going to damage a human nearly as bad if taught the same way.
 
redguru said:
There are far more cocker spaniels than pits so that is a fallacious statistic. While I don't believe some of pitbull danger claims, a mean owner can turn a pitbull into a killing machine. A cocker is not going to damage a human nearly as bad if taught the same way.
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I believe in detroit alone their are 4 million pitbulls. I would like to see some proof on that.
 
cboogsrun said:
Imagine that, a territorial dog. The way a dog reacts to an animal and human are completely different. Again do a little research on the history of apbt's then make an educated comment. They were/are bred to fight. If they can't be handled in the "pit" by their owners, what good is the dog? I'll help you on this one, do a google search on bullbaiting.

BOOGS
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Yup know all about it. They aren't mix either, they come from York kennels. Amazing line.
 
cboogsrun said:
I believe in detroit alone their are 4 million pitbulls. I would like to see some proof on that.
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The American Kennell Club (AKC) breeds are listed below and ordered based on popularity. This list is based on AKC registrations for the year 2004.

15. Cocker Spaniel (American)
64. American Staffordshire terrier
 
redguru said:
The American Kennell Club (AKC) breeds are listed below and ordered based on popularity. This list is based on AKC registrations for the year 2004.

15. Cocker Spaniel (American)
64. American Staffordshire terrier
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Those are registered dogs. Your also forgetting UKC ,ABDA, CKC, NKC and 4 or 5 other registries. How many people do you know that own 200 cockerspaniels? I know 3 guys who own 200-300 pitbulls. there are many breeders who own 30-40 dogs.

BOOGS
 
redguru said:
The American Kennell Club (AKC) breeds are listed below and ordered based on popularity. This list is based on AKC registrations for the year 2004.

15. Cocker Spaniel (American)
64. American Staffordshire terrier
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Also the AKC won't register dogs that are registered to the ABDA, so those #'s are misleading. The abda is strictly a pitbull registry.

BOOGS
 
As stated above, there are two problems that have been reported as though there is only a single problem, namely there are canine homicides (i.e., dog bite related human fatalities) and the dog bite epidemic. The dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.)
 
Lestat said:
you think so? Its possible. But I think they see them as prey too.
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I don't think they're good to eat. For one thing, their livers are toxic. As are most predators'.
 
Not a single cocker spaniel bite causing human death recorded in that same time frame. To compare the two breeds in that nature is ludicrous at best.
 
surferstar said:
There's this one cat that always runs around our house and is annoying as hell always antagonizing my dogs. Well he decided he'd try and run threw the backyard today, Little did he know my 3 pits were outside at the time. Needless to say the cat made it about half way and by the time i could run downstairs and open the door the cat was mangled. Didn't even really look like much of a cat! Sorry for all you cat lovers out there, i guess he had just ran outta lives! My neighbors are complete a$$holes by the way since i've been in this house. Now the question is.... Do i tell my neighbors that my dogs ate their cat?
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I would tell them but I hope they don't tell their kids if they have any.
 
Whiskey said:
Cats have big balls at times. My cat will stand up to my Australian Shephard anytime. Just crazy, Pete will be at the end of his chain and Maxx will inch up to him. Ballzy


About your situation, I wouldn't tell them. It wouldn't be the first time someone poisoned dogs out of revenge. It happens here now and then, but people let thier dogs run free here. "small town."

Whiskey
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Good point. I probably wouldn't tell them. I don't trust most people
 
surferstar said:
Youd rather have a couple dozen cats that could give two shits about you than 3 of the most loyal dogs in the world? ANd yah im protecting my lab downstairs.
its called EMP Labs

Eat My Pussy Labs
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Okay, I restrained myself big time but I'm gonna try to educate you just a little.

**Getting on a soapbox of animal behavioral education, anybody not interested might as well skip to the next post**​

Dogs and cats are not just different animals, their psychology is different. Dogs are loyal because they are SUBSERVIENT. In a proper owner/animal relationship (which is not often the case, but I'm talking ideal situation), the dog sees the owner as the pack leader. The omega wolf will literally crawl up to the alpha begging for attention and be very happy to be pissed on, will positively wriggle in delight. That is the way of wolves and is still part of dog DNA. Just being a part of the team is all that matters (much like gang mentality, I guess). If you release a single dog into the wild, and it can't find others to team up with, and it can't scavange off of human garbage, it will die.

Cats, with the exception of lions, are solitary hunters. They have never needed us or anybody else. Excluding the poor bastards who have been declawed just about any healthy and relatively youngish cat could be released into the wild and they'd figure out how to kill, shelter, survive, and need nobody. Cats teamed up with humans because they choose to and they have never viewed us as their leader; cats feel like humans are their peers, we're noisy, clumsy, furless, and ignorant of language, but we're their equals.

And yes cats can be terribly ballsy and will entertain themselves with Type A sports, like Extreme Dog Baiting, and like the occasional human skydiver or bungie jumper, or other extreme sporting enthusiast, sometimes they die.

But to say a cat is inferior to a dog because it is disloyal is illogical. Cats are not wired to seek a leader to be subservient TO.

Cats can love with just as much depth as a dog; and there are those that love a single person almost slavishly (just because you've never experienced it does not mean it does not exist). However, you cannot abuse a cats love the way you can with a dog. You kick a dog that loves you he will crawl back and lick your boot. You kick a cat that loves you, it will run and hide then shit in your shoes, piss in your bed, and claw you when you aren't looking.

To answer Galaxy's comment, newborn kittens will hiss if you blow in their face, it's a reflex just like a newborn human baby gripping your finger, but cats cannot cry any other way. You have to understand that pleasure and fear and anger are less clearly delineated in a cats brain. When a cat is experiencing great pleasure they will frequently hiss or growl ... just like there are people out there that have a powerful orgasm and burst into tears.

I pity the cat it's death ... I've seen packs of dogs kill and it's grisly. Cat owners who let their "indoor" cats roam outdoors are not making a good choise because bad things quickly happen to cats whose instincts have been blunted by mostly indoor living. A truly feral cat has reflexes that are 100x faster than any indoor cat and I have the scars testifying to that (I have a feral I caught, she was 7 months old, the first four months I owned her I never saw the paw coming, just would have bloody wounds on my arm).


Sorry I rambled ... :rolleyes: Animal behavior is a pet hobby of mine.
 
galaxy said:
You drop dead in your house and guess what, ol kitty will be eating you within 24hrs.
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That's true. . .I've actually seen it. . .bastards have zero loyalty. That said, I have a friggin cat. . .my kids love it.
 
musclemom said:
Dogs and cats are not just different animals, their psychology is different. Dogs are loyal because they are SUBSERVIENT. In a proper owner/animal relationship (which is not often the case, but I'm talking ideal situation), the dog sees the owner as the pack leader. The omega wolf will literally crawl up to the alpha begging for attention and be very happy to be pissed on, will positively wriggle in delight. That is the way of wolves and is still part of dog DNA. Just being a part of the team is all that matters (much like gang mentality, I guess). If you release a single dog into the wild, and it can't find others to team up with, and it can't scavange off of human garbage, it will die.Sorry I rambled ... :rolleyes: Animal behavior is a pet hobby of mine.
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Don't apologize. You, by far, make the best posts about stuff like this.

I agree with you about the Omega vs. Alpha dog relationship. When I got my dog, the first thing I did to him (after the medication and gas wore off from being snipped) was play wrestle with him. I pushed him down to ground, stood over him and grabbed his neck (similar to how animals bite each other on the neck while playing).

I still do this now and then.
 
redguru said:
As stated above, there are two problems that have been reported as though there is only a single problem, namely there are canine homicides (i.e., dog bite related human fatalities) and the dog bite epidemic. The dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.)
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Pitbull types? HMMMM. It is or it isn't a pit. Studies often have * next to them. it seems poeple as a group are drama queens. If they don't know what kind of dog bit them, they will think of the worst breed, pitbulls. The * usually means not enough proof to truly say it was a pitbull. Since I've read the same study you posted above, how about the pomeranian who killed a 6mo old baby. They are even smaller than a cockerspaniel. Socialization is the key, not picking on 1 particular breed. Responsible ownership seems to be over looked.

BOOGS
 
How many drug dealers do you know who have cockerspaniels? That is also a huge problem with pitbulls. The type of people who own them. they are used as weapons not as companions. Number 1 reason why pitbulls have a bad name.

BOOGS
 
musclemom said:
Okay, I restrained myself big time but I'm gonna try to educate you just a little.

**Getting on a soapbox of animal behavioral education, anybody not interested might as well skip to the next post**​

Dogs and cats are not just different animals, their psychology is different. Dogs are loyal because they are SUBSERVIENT. In a proper owner/animal relationship (which is not often the case, but I'm talking ideal situation), the dog sees the owner as the pack leader. The omega wolf will literally crawl up to the alpha begging for attention and be very happy to be pissed on, will positively wriggle in delight. That is the way of wolves and is still part of dog DNA. Just being a part of the team is all that matters (much like gang mentality, I guess). If you release a single dog into the wild, and it can't find others to team up with, and it can't scavange off of human garbage, it will die.

Cats, with the exception of lions, are solitary hunters. They have never needed us or anybody else. Excluding the poor bastards who have been declawed just about any healthy and relatively youngish cat could be released into the wild and they'd figure out how to kill, shelter, survive, and need nobody. Cats teamed up with humans because they choose to and they have never viewed us as their leader; cats feel like humans are their peers, we're noisy, clumsy, furless, and ignorant of language, but we're their equals.

And yes cats can be terribly ballsy and will entertain themselves with Type A sports, like Extreme Dog Baiting, and like the occasional human skydiver or bungie jumper, or other extreme sporting enthusiast, sometimes they die.

But to say a cat is inferior to a dog because it is disloyal is illogical. Cats are not wired to seek a leader to be subservient TO.

Cats can love with just as much depth as a dog; and there are those that love a single person almost slavishly (just because you've never experienced it does not mean it does not exist). However, you cannot abuse a cats love the way you can with a dog. You kick a dog that loves you he will crawl back and lick your boot. You kick a cat that loves you, it will run and hide then shit in your shoes, piss in your bed, and claw you when you aren't looking.

To answer Galaxy's comment, newborn kittens will hiss if you blow in their face, it's a reflex just like a newborn human baby gripping your finger, but cats cannot cry any other way. You have to understand that pleasure and fear and anger are less clearly delineated in a cats brain. When a cat is experiencing great pleasure they will frequently hiss or growl ... just like there are people out there that have a powerful orgasm and burst into tears.

I pity the cat it's death ... I've seen packs of dogs kill and it's grisly. Cat owners who let their "indoor" cats roam outdoors are not making a good choise because bad things quickly happen to cats whose instincts have been blunted by mostly indoor living. A truly feral cat has reflexes that are 100x faster than any indoor cat and I have the scars testifying to that (I have a feral I caught, she was 7 months old, the first four months I owned her I never saw the paw coming, just would have bloody wounds on my arm).


Sorry I rambled ... :rolleyes: Animal behavior is a pet hobby of mine.
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I wasn't saying cats suck cuz they're not loyal, i've had 2 cats before, they were ok... i guess. I know how cats live and coincide with humans and other animals. But thats not the point..
the point is the stupid ass cat whose been pissing off my dogs and shitting on my driveway tried to run threw the gauntlet and got pwned. It was another "ANIMAL" in my yard, (not human or a little kid) so they kicked his ass. Same thing happens in nature. Its called survival of the fittest in the animal kingdom. There was a kitten outside my house a couple months ago and all 3 dogs ran to it and surrounded it, and not one of them bit it, just sniffed it and licked it. And to be honest i feel bad that a cat is dead and died like that but its his own fault and being that the neighbor are dickheads and always trying to start shit i don't feel bad at all. I have nothing against cats or people who like cats. I just have somehting against the Stupidity and stupid people!
 
cboogsrun said:
Pitbull types? HMMMM. It is or it isn't a pit. Studies often have * next to them. it seems poeple as a group are drama queens. If they don't know what kind of dog bit them, they will think of the worst breed, pitbulls. The * usually means not enough proof to truly say it was a pitbull. Since I've read the same study you posted above, how about the pomeranian who killed a 6mo old baby. They are even smaller than a cockerspaniel. Socialization is the key, not picking on 1 particular breed. Responsible ownership seems to be over looked.

BOOGS
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I agree a majority of it is the owner, but then you have to look at the majority of pit bull owners down here. That's a very nasty dog to train as a weapon. Once trained as a weapon there is no safety like on a handgun.
 
cboogsrun said:
How many drug dealers do you know who have cockerspaniels? That is also a huge problem with pitbulls. The type of people who own them. they are used as weapons not as companions. Number 1 reason why pitbulls have a bad name.

BOOGS
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And the #1 reason why the pit bull is the dog of choice for these people? Because they are able to exploit inherent characteristics of the breed's nature.
 
cboogsrun said:
I believe in detroit alone their are 4 million pitbulls. I would like to see some proof on that.
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probably there is. Someone let loose of their gods, a pit among them in Detroit. I watched on the news how the stray pit attacked some womans little dog, tore it to pieces and ate it in her own yard.
 
nycgirl said:
Don't apologize. You, by far, make the best posts about stuff like this.

I agree with you about the Omega vs. Alpha dog relationship. When I got my dog, the first thing I did to him (after the medication and gas wore off from being snipped) was play wrestle with him. I pushed him down to ground, stood over him and grabbed his neck (similar to how animals bite each other on the neck while playing).

I still do this now and then.
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You absolutely have to do that with any dog, it's critical, and it's why you see a lot of dumbasses get pwned by their yorkshire terriers, damn dogs think they run the house! And the truth is, dogs WANT to be subservient, they WANT someone to be the boss, they want to have a boss to report to, that's what fulfills them and makes THEM feel like their a part of a healthy pack!

Do that shit with a cat, they hate your ass, they'll give you the filthiest look :rolleyes: that tail starts going and you have limited amounts of time to back off before you become someone who can't be trusted.
 
foreigngirl said:
probably there is. Someone let loose of their gods, a pit among them in Detroit. I watched on the news how the stray pit attacked some womans little dog, tore it to pieces and ate it in her own yard.
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Prob was hungry.. :tuc: jk, in that case its the owners fault 100%. They need alot of attention and have to be trained properly, the problem is too many owners don't want that responsibility so they neglect their dogs and being that they are powerful negative things can happen. But thats with so many aspects of life as well. And all people concentrate on like Mr.db said are the negative characteristics. You never really hear except from owners about they're loyalty and love they posess for their owners and other people as well as the certain level of security knowing you have a strong dog to protect you incase someone would try to harm you. They sleep upside down under the covers in our bed. And yes its a big bed. Every person who meets my dogs can not believe its a pitbull because of such a negative hype from the media. Same with AAS. Everything our media teaches us is to focus on the negative sides to everything and make a huge generalization when in fact its a big fat LIE.
 
galaxy said:
Yeah, after 3 days your dog will start eating you too. Saw pics.
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And using whether your pet would eat you or not if you dropped dead and it had no food isn't exactly a good yardstick either ... you get hungry enough, you'll eat just about anything, too, anybody remember a bunch of luckless bastards that travelled Donner's Pass???
 
redguru said:
I agree a majority of it is the owner, but then you have to look at the majority of pit bull owners down here. That's a very nasty dog to train as a weapon. Once trained as a weapon there is no safety like on a handgun.
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I used to believe that untill I started to watch the dog whisperer. No shit the guy is pretty amazing. I just hope its not a staged show. That would really suck.
 
cboogsrun said:
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I used to believe that untill I started to watch the dog whisperer. No shit the guy is pretty amazing. I just hope its not a staged show. That would really suck.
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LOL
 
cboogsrun said:
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I used to believe that untill I started to watch the dog whisperer. No shit the guy is pretty amazing. I just hope its not a staged show. That would really suck.
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I've seen amazing things done with ex-race greyhounds that were treated pretty badly. But what I am saying under the tutelage of the same owner who teaches it to be a weapon it will remain a weapon.
 
Large breed dogs have to be treated with the same respect as a firearm, they are just as lethal. A pitbull in the hands of an irresponsible owner is the same as shooting blindly in your neighborhood.
 
Didnt read the whole thread but my experience of pitbull owners is they are usually complete idiots, I havent seen an exception to that yet
 
surferstar said:
Prob was hungry.. :tuc: jk, in that case its the owners fault 100%. They need alot of attention and have to be trained properly, the problem is too many owners don't want that responsibility so they neglect their dogs and being that they are powerful negative things can happen. But thats with so many aspects of life as well. And all people concentrate on like Mr.db said are the negative characteristics. You never really hear except from owners about they're loyalty and love they posess for their owners and other people as well as the certain level of security knowing you have a strong dog to protect you incase someone would try to harm you. They sleep upside down under the covers in our bed. And yes its a big bed. Every person who meets my dogs can not believe its a pitbull because of such a negative hype from the media. Same with AAS. Everything our media teaches us is to focus on the negative sides to everything and make a huge generalization when in fact its a big fat LIE.
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The problem is that most people have them trained for fights, so they are extremly violent

yeah, my husband tells me that the pits are very gentle with kids and stuff. Its all about how you are with them...But I just cant let go of the thought of their agressive nature.
 
BrothaBill said:
Didnt read the whole thread but my experience of pitbull owners is they are usually complete idiots, I havent seen an exception to that yet
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Well than maybe you should read the whole thread so you know whats going on instead like the rest of the media making generalizations. Either you know friends who have pits meaning that your friends are complete idiots or your just being another idiot making a gerneralization on something you don't know anything about, and if so please don't post. Your a good guy brotha bill didn't expect that from you. Because I amongst many others i know and are great friends with own pitbulls and they are all responsible owners. Its the few idiots that don't know shit about dogs and just want them to be mean and aggressive cuz its looks cool or keep them chained up all day that makes the dogs unsafe. Anyone with half a brain can train a dog to be obedient. Only excuse is layziness and lack of responsiblity.
 
foreigngirl said:
The problem is that most people have them trained for fights, so they are extremly violent

yeah, my husband tells me that the pits are very gentle with kids and stuff. Its all about how you are with them...But I just cant let go of the thought of their agressive nature.
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Same thing with AAS, until you educate yourself you have no idea and just believe everyone elses stupidity.
 
surferstar said:
Well than maybe you should read the whole thread so you know whats going on instead like the rest of the media making generalizations. Either you know friends who have pits meaning that your friends are complete idiots or your just being another idiot making a gerneralization on something you don't know anything about, and if so please don't post. Your a good guy brotha bill didn't expect that from you. Because I amongst many others i know and are great friends with own pitbulls and they are all responsible owners. Its the few idiots that don't know shit about dogs and just want them to be mean and aggressive cuz its looks cool or keep them chained up all day that makes the dogs unsafe. Anyone with half a brain can train a dog to be obedient. Only excuse is layziness and lack of responsiblity.
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lol, no seriously, when I was in school my idiot friends got into this local pitbull thing and I hung out with them drinking beer meeting peeps with pitbulls. lol, it was pretty retarded talk about dogfighting and stuff. Their pit was pretty coo at firstl, it was a party house and I was with it alot and they use to teach it to playfight.

Then, as usual some weekend there was a brawl at the partyhouse and the dog attacked one of the guys who lived there, it was bad but soooo funny.
They used to let the dog run wild around the neighborhood, finally, the dog was taken.
Thats my personal experience and Ive met a few other shady folks with Pitbulls too
 
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