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coldblue1955
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What foods could help in this area?
Is it possible to be 2% bodyfat without any dangerous sideeffects?
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heavy_duty
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a true legit 2% is very very unhealthy
coldblue1955
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I know it's a stupid question but still wanna know everyone's opinion.velvett said:
To answer this question, I do not think it is possible to obtain this bf measure (accurately for one) in a healthy manner ... If this was possible, I imagine the person living in an ICU ... call me crazy.
Oh and the 'foods' that could help would be the IV in the persons arm ... I'm not being a smart @$$ either.
Oh and the 'foods' that could help would be the IV in the persons arm ... I'm not being a smart @$$ either.
jdevlin1985
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Its is possible yes. Anything is possible. But boy you will have to have some dedication. And when you get there? You won't be able to stay there very long.
I believe Flex Wheeler came in at 0% in the early years. There is a specific name for it but for the life of me can't remember.
I believe Flex Wheeler came in at 0% in the early years. There is a specific name for it but for the life of me can't remember.
Lifterforlife
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velvett said:
Me too!!
jdevlin1985
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velvett said:
Velvett, what part of that post are you refering to exactly? If its being able to get down to 2% bodyfat then no, i'm not. If you are refering to flex being at 0% at one of his early olympias, then no, i'm not. In fact that post had no sarcasm in it what so ever. Please be precise next time.
Lifterforlife
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I would love to see a link that shows he was ever at 2%, and espcecially one at 0%!
Can you comprehend 0%? I have been sub 5% numerous times for contests(low 5's), achieved high 4's once and that is pretty dam lean.
Can you comprehend 0%? I have been sub 5% numerous times for contests(low 5's), achieved high 4's once and that is pretty dam lean.
jdevlin1985
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alex2678 said:
Bodyfat measurements only calculate the fat on the outside of the body, i.e. external to the organs and ribs. 2% or even 0% showing on a calliper only measures under the skin externally and does not necessarily mean 0%.
jdevlin1985
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Lifterforlife said:
Me too. I see a post here on elite once about it and most guys tend to agree. That is my only ref i'm afraid.
Jdevlin1985 said:
ESSENTIAL BODY FAT - A lesson in living.
Human beings need a minimum amount of fat as it is essential to aid in basic bodily functions. This essential body fat is a part of your internal organs, your brain and spinal cord, it regulates body temperature, cushions and insulates organs and tissues.
At 0% a human being would cease to exist, a male - even a healthy male at 2% would not be in any condition to be in a body building show. The baseline for essential body fat for a man is 2-4%.
Don't believe "the hype".
How's that for precise?
jdevlin1985
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velvett said:
And the reference to that info velvett?
Lifterforlife
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People have a distorted view of some of this stuff. The nonsense that is posted sometimes on these boards is what leads to such misinformation among folks.
To add to that, I have seen these posts bantered around about Sylvester Stallone being 2% for Rambo. I say bullshit....I have competed too many times, and I have seen the movie a few times. If he was 2%, the I was in some shows in the negative bodyfat range!
To add to that, I have seen these posts bantered around about Sylvester Stallone being 2% for Rambo. I say bullshit....I have competed too many times, and I have seen the movie a few times. If he was 2%, the I was in some shows in the negative bodyfat range!
jdevlin1985
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velvett said:
Yes but these studies are not including, additional use of the human bodys strongest hormones. T3, HGH, clen, ECA, DNP, Yomi, and the most anabolic of them all, insulin. The list is endless. The human body was not made to hold onto 300lbs of pure mass on a daily basis. The heart was not made to pump the blood around that 300lb frame. This is why pro-hormones are used. To make todays freak stats possible.
Are you with me? I also find it hard to believe regarding the 0% thing, but 2%? Yes absolutely possible.
alex2678
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Slightly off topic, but I've always like Shawn Ray's views on bodyfat testing:
"I have never had a body fat test performed, ever. Simply because my body fat was not something I was preoccupied with like body measurements. Neither of them factored into the judging criteria on stage, so I simply did not want to waste my energy measuring something that did play a part in what the judge was judging. I focused on the "Mirror" my entire career. The judges, judged my appearance not my body fat, hence no hang ups on percentages or measurements."
"I have never had a body fat test performed, ever. Simply because my body fat was not something I was preoccupied with like body measurements. Neither of them factored into the judging criteria on stage, so I simply did not want to waste my energy measuring something that did play a part in what the judge was judging. I focused on the "Mirror" my entire career. The judges, judged my appearance not my body fat, hence no hang ups on percentages or measurements."
dce2956
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When Ray Lewis (the football player for those who don't know) first got to University of Miami he was at 2.6% BF. This is because Ray Lewis is f'ing nuts. He got down to 5% for wrestling his senior year in high school, then once he finished with that dropped even further. When he showed up to training camp, the trainers wouldn't let him work out at all and baisically suspended him until he was at 5% BF, and then watched him very closely after that.
So i'd say yes it's possible, but it's certainly not good for you. I don't think anyone would say that.
So i'd say yes it's possible, but it's certainly not good for you. I don't think anyone would say that.
gymratforlife
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I am at 1% bodyfat right now.
Here is a quick cut and paste on measuring body fat and safe levels:
Skinfold Caliper - can be done by most trained health professionals or fitness professionals. It is quick and non-invasive. Usually requires taking three measurements at different sites of the body (tricep, abdomen, upper thigh) then plugging these numbers into a formula. May be 7-8% error in measurement. Measurements can be affected by the skill level of the professional taking them and are not accurate for obese patients.
Bioelectrical Impedance - fairly inexpensive scales or handheld devices are now available for purchase and use in the home. The device sends an electrical impulse through the body (you won't feel a thing) and measures the body fat by how easily the impulse is transmitted. These devices are good to give you a sense of how your body fat may change over time but may not be highly accurate. Readings can be easily affected by hydration status, obesity, and muscle mass. Muscular athletes typically get higher than actual results.
Underwater Weighing - this requires that you be completely submerged in a tank of water. While underwater you must breathe out all air from your lungs. It requires specialized equipment and highly trained technicians. When performed correctly it as a less than 2% error rate.
DEXA - stands for dual x-ray absorptiometry. Is quick and easy but requires expensive equipment typically only found in hospitals and research centers. It takes an x-ray of the body that shows fat, muscle, and bone mass based on differing densities. It has good accurracy.
Bod Pod - still fairly new on the market but seems to have great promise. Studies show it to be comparable to underwater weighing and DEXA. The major advantages are that it is fairly inexpensive equipment, requires little training to operate, comfortable for people of all shapes and sizes, and is quick and easy. All you do is have a seat in an enclosed egg-shaped pod.
Minimum body fat recommendations:
Men: 3-6%
Women: 12-15%
Average body fat:
Men: 15%
Women: 24-26%
Skinfold Caliper - can be done by most trained health professionals or fitness professionals. It is quick and non-invasive. Usually requires taking three measurements at different sites of the body (tricep, abdomen, upper thigh) then plugging these numbers into a formula. May be 7-8% error in measurement. Measurements can be affected by the skill level of the professional taking them and are not accurate for obese patients.
Bioelectrical Impedance - fairly inexpensive scales or handheld devices are now available for purchase and use in the home. The device sends an electrical impulse through the body (you won't feel a thing) and measures the body fat by how easily the impulse is transmitted. These devices are good to give you a sense of how your body fat may change over time but may not be highly accurate. Readings can be easily affected by hydration status, obesity, and muscle mass. Muscular athletes typically get higher than actual results.
Underwater Weighing - this requires that you be completely submerged in a tank of water. While underwater you must breathe out all air from your lungs. It requires specialized equipment and highly trained technicians. When performed correctly it as a less than 2% error rate.
DEXA - stands for dual x-ray absorptiometry. Is quick and easy but requires expensive equipment typically only found in hospitals and research centers. It takes an x-ray of the body that shows fat, muscle, and bone mass based on differing densities. It has good accurracy.
Bod Pod - still fairly new on the market but seems to have great promise. Studies show it to be comparable to underwater weighing and DEXA. The major advantages are that it is fairly inexpensive equipment, requires little training to operate, comfortable for people of all shapes and sizes, and is quick and easy. All you do is have a seat in an enclosed egg-shaped pod.
Minimum body fat recommendations:
Men: 3-6%
Women: 12-15%
Average body fat:
Men: 15%
Women: 24-26%
thelion2005 said:
I've been tested with the calliper, hydrostatic, and electronic scales. The hydrostatic (unerwater) is proven to be the most accurate but a person needs to run several tests to make sure the reading is accurate and consistent because it requires the person to be COMPLETELY STILL under water BREATHLESS.
I'd say anyone around 2% body fat is unhealthy or hasn't gotten a true accurate reading.
complete bullshit. 2.6%, please. so he showed up at school before he was fully matured, still a growing young man, but his body was able to put aside his need for nutrients and repair to grow and develop so he could get to 2.6% and still be healthy to play football (but the trainers wouldnt let him?). how f'ing ridiculous this sounds. so he got there lower than any pro bb ever has on stage, and he did it with no real prep, he just was able to. so why isnt he shredded now? if he was able to live at 2.5% he'd still be shredded. why not now? why? because it never happened! seriously, lack of experience is one thing but to believe every stupid piece of bs we hear is a joke. in case your unaware, at 2.6% he wouldnt be able to walk to the training facility at miami let alone function to think about running and hitting. i mean come on....
marvelous54
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Jdevlin1985 said:
The lowest I ever heard of flex getting to was just above 3%. I can't believe you would even suggest he was at 2% much less 0%. Come on bro!
jdevlin1985
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marvelous54 said:
Sorry dude did you not read the post properly? If not then please do.
heavy_duty
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sure he was 2.6% but on a fucked up calculation! truth is he was probably 5-6% in real life medical / biology terms.
Yea, Ray was probably closer to 5-6%. If he was really down below three he wouldnt be healthy enough to play football. Even someone who is shredded for football standards like T.O. is probably at the lowest 6%.
3% is the essential minimum bodyfat for a male with around 5% being the min that can be healthily sustained.
3% is the essential minimum bodyfat for a male with around 5% being the min that can be healthily sustained.
he competed and won the 189 pound state wrestling championship in high school.
as the "story" goes he was @6% bf then. so he continued to diet down to get to that 2.6% bf. ok. how did he make and start for the miami hurricanes as a freshman when he would have to have weighed no more than 180 pounds with the entire bullshit story taken into account? or did he add on 30 plus pounds of muscle while still eliminating the fat to be ready to play for one of the most storied college programs in the world?
hmmm? could it be that it never happened? cause if it did i need to see pictures and stats to even remortely believe this.
this is like the stories, hey mike vic ran a 4.1. when? he never ran at the combine and that is the time that counts. but my friends, brothers, sisters, cousins neighbor is a janitor in atlanta and he heard them talking about it while he was cleaning the shitty toilets.
as the "story" goes he was @6% bf then. so he continued to diet down to get to that 2.6% bf. ok. how did he make and start for the miami hurricanes as a freshman when he would have to have weighed no more than 180 pounds with the entire bullshit story taken into account? or did he add on 30 plus pounds of muscle while still eliminating the fat to be ready to play for one of the most storied college programs in the world?
hmmm? could it be that it never happened? cause if it did i need to see pictures and stats to even remortely believe this.
this is like the stories, hey mike vic ran a 4.1. when? he never ran at the combine and that is the time that counts. but my friends, brothers, sisters, cousins neighbor is a janitor in atlanta and he heard them talking about it while he was cleaning the shitty toilets.
gymratforlife
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hehehe yes I am lol.*Bunny* said:While he types with one hand, on the stretcher, in the ambulance, on his way to the ER lol
you're silly
wakefib
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shouldn't we take into account that everyone is different? i swear my friend is ripped all year round. like no one i have ever seen before. he isn't as big as BB's but this guy is ripped!! he has to stay around 4%, and he never cuts. he drinks eats like mad, but is always cut to hell. i could believe that someone like him could get to 2%. whereas someone like me would never get there and be healthy, and i stay around 10-15%.
gymratforlife
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People like your friend I hate lol.wakefib said:
letsrun4it
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I ran the hydro at my college and in 2 years I never once saw anyone under 6% With calipars a guy claimed to be 3% and he had NO visible fat, cuttest man I've ever seen and he was 6%
Average college athlete at my college was 16.4% not including football players, the only team not to do it.
Average college athlete at my college was 16.4% not including football players, the only team not to do it.
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