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George, you shouldnt sell access to our IP addresses. PRIVACY TO THE PEOPLE!!!

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Its not right to sell access to our IP addresses!! Chairman of the Board can view member's IP addy's by paying you to get that status. Something rotten in Denmark!!
And anonymizing is slower, not as slow as dialup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

IP addresses of members should be confidential
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spongebob said:
i was thinking the same thing after i saw one posted.


Whichever Chairman posted someone's IP address should be kicked off as Chairman of the Board with no refund!!!!!!
 
As I pause to think about it, I have to believe that they shouldn't even be available to mods or even to admins on a whim.

For a site that prides itself on its protection of its members and offers itself as a bastion of security against the 'Powers', to have members' IP addresses freely floating around in plain view of other members, mods or otherwise, is a clear violation of the trust we've invested here.
 
Angel said:
i agree with all of the above.....it is ok for mod or admin to see it if necessary but dang to let another member see it because he she paid 1200! not needed IMO


to even pay 900 (with the discount) is freaking lame IMO.

I hand it to George though.. fucker could sell ice to an eskimo!

Let the mods do their work, we the peeps voted for them, so just like any other election suck the shit up and shut your pie hole if you don't like their decisions. We have way to many freaking control freaks up in this place now... before long everyone will be able to do what the hell they want to do.
 
that whole chairman shit stinks I agree, all this is goig to do is start drama with IPs and reading the mod forum and spilling it on the open boards
 
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They can, and do ...
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1. Hackers look for easy targets and find out information about them and their systems.

2. Breaking into your system.

3. Getting authority to control everything on your system.

4. Hiding the evidence of their break-in.

5. They load programs and passwords on your PC to give them easy access in the future.


Scoping Their Target

Every computer that connects to the Internet is assigned an IP (Internet Protocol) address. This is very similar to a telephone number in many ways. If you have a DSL connection or cable modem connection your IP address stays the same and is "always on".
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Breaking In

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Hackers look for commonly know system weaknesses (bugs or holes in software). The operating system, like Windows, has bugs, as do other software like browsers, such as Microsoft's Internet Explorer. They scan your open ports looking for a running program that they can take advantage of. Scanning is like a burglar who checks all the doors and windows of your house to see if any are unlocked.

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Hackers often use trojans to break into and control home computers.

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PCs used at home did not need a lot of security features before the Internet. They were designed for convenience, not security. Windows 95 and 98 are very insecure. It takes about 10 seconds to bypass any password you have to "lock out" other people from your home PC. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because you have password protected your PC, that it is safe. IT IS NOT SAFE!

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Disposing of the evidence
One way that hackers camouflage their dirty work is by changing the name of their programs to look like program names of legitimate system programs. Or they will create a hidden folder to keep all their programs in.



What is left behind

The most dangerous trojan is a "back-door" trojan. A trojan horse program is a way of tricking you to load a program onto your PC that gives a hacker access to your computer.

The name comes from the legend of Troy. Ulysses, enemy of the Trojans, leaves a wooden Trojan horse outside the gates of Troy. The Trojans believing that it is a sacrifice to the gods, bring it inside the walls of the city. What they did not know was that inside the belly of the trojan horse were Greek soldiers. At night, the Greek soldiers snuck out and opened the gates of Troy to the Greek army who then defeated the Trojans.

Software trojans are more clever, often arriving from friends who do not know what is in the cute little program that sings Merry Christmas to you. While you are enjoying the show, a nasty little trojan program could be loaded.

A "back door" trojan gives hackers complete access and control over your PC. They can see your screen, just as if they were sitting in front of it. They can watch every move you make with your mouse, every word you type, like a spy standing over your shoulder. And you will have no idea that they are there. These programs run in stealth mode, silent and deadly.

"Back door" programs are commonly available. They can be tools used to administer remote systems and are used on a daily basis in a legitimate way by system administrators.

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One technique hackers use to attack web sites is called "denial of service attack". The hacker might send signal to all the PCs he has infected with specialized software. The software, which could be running on hundreds of PCs, simultaneously sends problem messages to the target web server and ties up all it's connections so no one new can connect, or crashes the web server, or overloads the mail server with junk mail. The effect is that legitimate customers can no longer access a service or web site. This can cost companies millions of dollars.

If your PC is used in a "Denial of Service" attack your PC is called a "ZOMBIE". When the targeted site starts to investigate who is attacking their network, they will find your IP address and your computer, not the hacker's. (At least initially) You might be held legally responsible.
 
blut wump said:
As I pause to think about it, I have to believe that they shouldn't even be available to mods or even to admins on a whim.

For a site that prides itself on its protection of its members and offers itself as a bastion of security against the 'Powers', to have members' IP addresses freely floating around in plain view of other members, mods or otherwise, is a clear violation of the trust we've invested here.

Agreed
 
DieselGunz said:
that whole chairman shit stinks I agree, all this is goig to do is start drama with IPs and reading the mod forum and spilling it on the open boards


so true! I sure the hell aren't referring any of my friend here now! You should EARN your mod status by way of respect, and time put in here. Not with how many bills you can hand over.
 
before long they will have acess to all of our PM's... hmmm if they don't already :rolleyes:
 
If a chairman posts the ip address of a potential user of illicit substances on this board, then the police can trace that back to the customer at the ISP. It's a trail of betrayal.
 
redguru said:
If a chairman posts the ip address of a potential user of illicit substances on this board, then the police can trace that back to the customer at the ISP. It's a trail of betrayal.

but who's to know what chairman did what and said what... this place is already to fucking messy to begin with. peeps saying shit behind others back, lies, betrayal, all that good shit goes on now.
 
redguru said:
If a chairman posts the ip address of a potential user of illicit substances on this board, then the police can trace that back to the customer at the ISP. It's a trail of betrayal.

The computer :nerd: is correct.
 
Erzulie said:
so true! I sure the hell aren't referring any of my friend here now! You should EARN your mod status by way of respect, and time put in here. Not with how many bills you can hand over.

I could care less about the Chairman status, its funny to make fun of and its just a way to help support the site. MY only beef is the IP address privacy concerns. I mean what if Stickfigure was really a FEDERAL agent??? He could be on the anabolic board writing down every single IP Address of someone who hints of using juice. Damn juicers! My point is limited to privacy. It may be too late, I think beyond what we voluntarily post on the chatboard then no additional information, IP address should not be given out
 
The fault lies not with the chairman but with the ones controlling the software that permits access to the IP addresses.

On another, unrelated, note some have suggested that, despite the paucity of women involved, the title "Chairman" should be "Chairperson". Fiddlefaddle and poppycock, I say. Why should "son" be preferred over "daughter"? It should be "Chairperoffspring".
 
This is to all EF administrators/moderators and chairmen,
I request that nobody on EF give away my personal information to anybody and I do not want my IP address posted on the board like it happened with EatBig. I want it kept confidential please.
Bubbles (aka me)
 
BrothaBill said:
I could care less about the Chairman status, its funny to make fun of and its just a way to help support the site. MY only beef is the IP address privacy concerns. I mean what if Stickfigure was really a FEDERAL agent??? He could be on the anabolic board writing down every single IP Address of someone who hints of using juice. Damn juicers! My point is limited to privacy. It may be too late, I think beyond what we voluntarily post on the chatboard then no additional information, IP address should be given out


I can care less also.. seriously if the fools wanna pay to get some lame ass access to mod forum etc then so be it! IP addy's shouldn't be given out though. I can see the anabolic forum going to hell in a handbasket quick. this will be bigger than the Radar/Satch/Galaxy drama. Who the hell is gonna trust anyone around here now?
 
i think they could have come up with a better way to make money for the site. i like all the super power friends(chairmens of the board), but the board was already too moderated as it was, and now this. too much confusion.
 
dhit i dont trust people anyway but yeah this is some shit, having IPs serve no purpose so what if they are a alter is that such a big deal to jepordize our pers. info?
 
BUBBLES said:
This is to all EF administrators/moderators and chairmen,
I request that nobody on EF give away my personal information to anybody and I do not want my IP address posted on the board like it happened with EatBig. I want it kept confidential please.
Bubbles (aka me)


I second this!
 
Every post is date-time stamped, add an IP address to that and you have the real identity of a user. This is not something to be playing with.
 
redguru said:
Sawastea should copy this to the mod forum. BTW, BB, Che Guevara sure wasn't into privacy rights. :)

I am the only chairthingyperson who does not have access to the mod forum. Maybe :mexican: can do it.
 
People will babble about this for 2 weeks. Then they'll get bored and forget about all this and move on. Humans are very predictable. Mark it up as scandal of the day.
 
Razorguns said:
People will babble about this for 2 weeks. Then they'll get bored and forget about all this and move on. Humans are very predictable. Mark it up as scandal of the day.

and the chairmen stuff will get boring as well. next theyll want 2400 for some new features.
 
spongebob said:
and the chairmen stuff will get boring as well. next theyll want 2400 for some new features.


werd!
 
spongebob said:
i think they could have come up with a better way to make money for the site. i like all the super power friends(chairmens of the board), but the board was already too moderated as it was, and now this. too much confusion.

I think Official unique titles would have been better!! Like personalized licences plates.
Like I am Official EF Joker and you are Official EF Pyle
 
Razorguns said:
People will babble about this for 2 weeks. Then they'll get bored and forget about all this and move on. Humans are very predictable. Mark it up as scandal of the day.

So you disagree with this thread?
 
BrothaBill said:
I think Official unique titles would have been better!! Like personalized licences plates.
Like I am Official EF Joker and you are Official EF Pyle


but it wouldn't have 'the appeal' that this does. they get to go dig thru dirt, have their nose up the mods asses and spread out what ever info they want. George would have had to drop the price by 1/5 ...

The IP shit pisses me off!
 
Erzulie said:
I can care less also.. seriously if the fools wanna pay to get some lame ass access to mod forum etc then so be it! IP addy's shouldn't be given out though. I can see the anabolic forum going to hell in a handbasket quick. this will be bigger than the Radar/Satch/Galaxy drama. Who the hell is gonna trust anyone around here now?
i agree with this.
 
BUBBLES said:
So you disagree with this thread?


George already has his money... so I'd think he would. LOL
 
Erzulie said:
but it wouldn't have 'the appeal' that this does. they get to go dig thru dirt, have their nose up the mods asses and spread out what ever info they want. George would have had to drop the price by 1/5 ...

The IP shit pisses me off!

I have no clue what the mod forum is like, is it just like another forum that only some can enter, same format?
So, like if someone asked a mod for personal help, asked for it to be confidential and it was discussed on the mod forum.
NOW, someone can dig through the archives and find the information?? THen all of the past mod secrets can be made public by people just paying money??

Hell, where do I sign up?
Plus, I think Sawastea is controlling my computer right now :worried:
 
jack_schitt said:
Good LORD Sawastea and Razorgunz have fallen prey to this faggotry as well?


Sawastea was geigh before all of this... give the boy a break :rainbow:




Oh man.... Imagine the titty pics that will be passed out now... bwahahaha

Those boys will rack up
 
lol

chairsucka.. anyone of you.. can you please copy this the anabolic forum

thanks

tee hee
 
I really could care less about the whole perks of paying $1200 a year. You wanna fork out that kinda bread you should be able to red George lol.

The IP thing really pisses me off tho. Like someone said what if a chairhomosapien was a fed. Or even better what if a fed got a hold of a chairnecropheliac and they started selling IPs of certain members to them? This fucking sticks! And by sticks I mean stinks.
 
BrothaBill said:
Its not right to sell access to our IP addresses!! Chairman of the Board can view member's IP addy's by paying you to get that status. Something rotten in Denmark!!
And anonymizing is slower, not as slow as dialup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

IP addresses of members should be confidential
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I completely agree.

I thought the moderator forum was private for a reason......guess not...that will all get out in no time....lol
 
Sticky? Comeon... Sticky this bitch
 
Erzulie said:
I agree BB

I could go on for days about this... but nobody listens anyway

Quiet, woman and get back under my desk.
 
Just an update, this issue has been pointed out by a few mods on the mod board. I am pretty sure it's a programming item that can very well be changed.
That's my opinion - you'll know more as time goes on.
 
velvett said:
Just an update, this issue has been pointed out by a few mods on the mod board. I am pretty sure it's a programming item that can very well be changed.
That's my opinion - you'll know more as time goes on.


thanx V
 
velvett said:
Just an update, this issue has been pointed out by a few mods on the mod board. I am pretty sure it's a programming item that can very well be changed.
That's my opinion - you'll know more as time goes on.

I pointed it out.
its not that I don't trust our new chairmen, but posting IP addy's and locations is not cool.
 
jack_schitt said:
Do I need to contact one of the 'chairmans of the board' to answer my question in post #59?


:lmao:
 
What was the reason for posting the IP address?
 
Dial_tone said:
What was the reason for posting the IP address?

somebody wanted to strut his powers im sure... which will happen alot in the future.

They got Killabeeitis


teehee


Im kidding KB, don't ban me
 
Erzulie said:
before long they will have acess to all of our PM's... hmmm if they don't already :rolleyes:

I rubbed one off to one of your raunchy PMs to you today.

I imagined it was addressed to me

and you keep your grammar OK while typing with one hand, yay!
 
Erzulie said:
somebody wanted to strut his powers im sure... which will happen alot in the future.

They got Killabeeitis


teehee


Im kidding KB, don't ban me

Only and 'Elite Moderator' or Admin can ban you. I think a 'chairman of the board' can come right to your house and shoot you in the face with a bazooka though.
 
BUBBLES said:
This is to all EF administrators/moderators and chairmen,
I request that nobody on EF give away my personal information to anybody and I do not want my IP address posted on the board like it happened with EatBig. I want it kept confidential please.
Bubbles (aka me)
agreed
 
Razorguns said:
People will babble about this for 2 weeks. Then they'll get bored and forget about all this and move on. Humans are very predictable. Mark it up as scandal of the day.

People in C&C will will eventually forget about this.
People in AAS though will leave or not join EF to begin with.

Someone made the point that this was great marketing on the part of GS. But when privacy is of the utmost concern to those who come to EF, then that statement falls flat. It may be a quick fix, initially, at generating additional revenue but in the long run you are basically shooting yourself in the foot.

There have already been quite a few posts of members deciding to not renew their Plat status (for whatever reason). This issue of 'privacy breach' only makes the decision making process for Plats that much easier. For those thinking of joining EF, it will definitely be a concern ... assuming that they even know that their IP is now free to whomever pays for it. Offering someone a guarantee that this would not occur doesn't really mean much now as one of the first actions of one of the new 'chairman of the board' was to post the IP address of a member on the open forum. Deleting the post does not restore the issue of privacy.
 
jack_schitt said:
How do you get out of a lifetime plat? To I have to pay for that too?
you can always give it to me..we can trade you give me plat for life i give you month to month!
 
jack_schitt said:
Only and 'Elite Moderator' or Admin can ban you. I think a 'chairman of the board' can come right to your house and shoot you in the face with a bazooka though.


LOL... im sure the next feature will be selling the rights to ban members ... I will pull out the ol MasterCard for that one!

Fuck... gonna have a Chairman in my neck of the woods pretty soon
 
pintoca said:
I rubbed one off to one of your raunchy PMs to you today.

I imagined it was addressed to me

and you keep your grammar OK while typing with one hand, yay!


I'm talented very talented


so chairmen, will you do me a flavor? No other one on the board wants to
 
Angel said:
you can always give it to me..we can trade you give me plat for life i give you month to month!

Truthfully, I don't even want day to day anymore....this site has become something I'm ashamed to be a part of. I'm sure others feel the same.
 
jack_schitt said:
Truthfully, I don't even want day to day anymore....this site has become something I'm ashamed to be a part of. I'm sure others feel the same.


Curious - why is that?
 
Angel said:
you can always give it to me..we can trade you give me plat for life i give you ass to mouth!


wtf angel ;)
 
jack_schitt said:
Truthfully, I don't even want day to day anymore....this site has become something I'm ashamed to be a part of. I'm sure others feel the same.
then be a peach and just give it to me cause you want to.
Honestly, i dont think it costs any thing to give up lifetime plat......hope that answered your ?
But i still think you should bless me.
 
jack_schitt said:
Unfortunately, yes.
Why waist a life time plat as much as this place pisses me off at times I know I am not leaving. You should see if you can transfer the membership and all your karma :qt:

Also BB brought up and great points and so did Ez IP addresses are access to personal info and I believe that is a violation of the TOS. As for the other stuff access to the Mod forun etc if they want to fork out $1200 a year for it more power to them.
 
I just wonder what would happen to the chairmen if everyone started leaving this site in droves. Would it still be worth paying 1200 for? Now even plat members are second class. If Jorge wanted to let the chairmen check alts, that could be done without anyone being able to actually see the ip. Just a quick name checked against an ip database? Spit out the results of who matches to the same ips and completely seperate from what the users see.
 
Beachboy6294 said:
Help her out! I would if I could!


along with their other chairmen powers i think they were ordered to ignore any request Erzulie has... LOL :evil:
 
Erzulie said:
hold the press!

We agree on something?


I wasn't talking to you - I don't have the time nor the patience to read your 100 posts in this and every other thread.

I was agreeing with the thread maker
 
Erzulie said:
wanna do a chick a favor

What kind of favor are we talking about?
It depends, I saw where you asked me about something in the recycle bin. That I can't do.

Name the favor, and i'll name that one that you have to give me back.

Whiskey
 
KillahBee said:
I wasn't talking to you - I don't have the time nor the patience to read your 100 posts in this and every other thread.

I was agreeing with the thread maker


Oh kiss my ass KB

I made valid pts in every post in this thread. Thats unsual for me, you should read all of them... this may never happen again ;)

EDIT

ok almost every post
 
Whiskey said:
What kind of favor are we talking about?
It depends, I saw where you asked me about something in the recycle bin. That I can't do.

Name the favor, and i'll name that one that you have to give me back.

Whiskey


Every thread KB locked of mine... could you unlock them LOL

;)
 
KillahBee said:
Curious - why is that?

Well, theres a ton of people here that I like and enjoy reading their posts, but all of these new features really aren't features per se. It's just the administrators trying to make more and more money. Come on now, $1200 anually for this rediculous title of 'chairman of the board'? I think we do just fine with moderators and posters. Need I mention that one of these 'chairpersons' has already compromised someones privacy by posting their IP address? Funny...I thought keeping members personal information was paramount by GS's standards.

What's next? $5000 and you can have access to what members google? Give me a fucking break. What new title will that status bear?

Oh, and I'm sure Captain Misery will hit me with a dose of red for this. Like I care :rolleyes:
 
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It's being taken care by admins. I missed that one but these things should never happen.

We use IPs (mod) usually to find out alters/troublemakers. Not for vendetta purposes.
 
I have to agree about the ip issue.

I also agree about the lack of sanity of anyone who pays $900-1200 for a title on an internet chat board. I mean we're talking real US dollars here, not that strange Canadian stuff. ;)


I also want to know how much ya'll would have paid for my mod title? :evil:
 
Angel said:
even the juicers are pissed about this one!

JUICERS are WAY pissed....we are talking about ILLEGAL shit a LOT!!

I posted a poll on the anabolic board...GO VOTE NOW!!
 
big4life said:
I have to agree about the ip issue.

I also agree about the lack of sanity of anyone who pays $900-1200 for a title on an internet chat board. I mean we're talking real US dollars here, not that strange Canadian stuff. ;)


I also want to know how much ya'll would have paid for my mod title? :evil:
I like you but for the Canadian commnet. :splat:

Canadian 1 = 1.1657 US

Also if someone has 900-1200 to spend on a board and that is what they choose more power to them. I wouldn't spend my money on that but then again I am sure there is a lot things I spend money on IE $500 on contest suits that most people would think is crazy.
 
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