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Help w/ Carb & Water Depletion for a Contest

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Ok ladies....I was wondering (im sure this has been posted before but I cant find anything) if any of you could point me in the right direction as far as carb depletion/water depletion goes....???? Maybe some previous threads or links? Is it a good idea to carb deplete or water deplete? Together? Separate? .....Anything else I need to be doing the week of?

Im trying to look around and read some stuff....nothing specific enough yet...or maybe Im just not picking up the right threads :)

Thanks for the help!!!
 
Re: Almost that time....

personally I dont water deplete... i stop at 6pm the night b4 and lower friday to a gallon. i will start sat sunday at low carbs..50g..then increase monday tues wed 100 g then 75 thurs fri 50 again and eat yams and honey on the day of show..i sodium deplete starting friday am and take B6 and C starting wed. Dr joe has always done my peak week...hes known for it. im sure everyone does it differnetly, but its worked for me.
 
Re: Almost that time....

Hmmm, for a contest, correct?

I am going to change the title of this post - to be more specific, so the ones who have competed will give advice. :)
 
Re: Almost that time....

Daisy_Girl said:
Hmmm, for a contest, correct?

I am going to change the title of this post - to be more specific, so the ones who have competed will give advice. :)

Thanks.... but it seems even that didnt help... :worried:

Anyone???
 
Off the top of my head, you might want to PM these girls who have competed for their thoughts:

Miss24K
Erzulie
Sassy69
Jens5cats

Sorry if I left someone out .... :)

Or, give the thread a couple days - it will get some people hopefully. :)
 
Hey!

I had lots of problems in both of these areas. I peaked a little too early so I had some time to mess around with this stuff to see what worked for my body. Carb depletion or carbing up mad NO difference with me. I had to FAT load the night before and the day of the contest. I ate peaunut butter the night before and they day of. The day of the contest I ate a peanut butter candy bar, and yams every one to two hours and looked to see how I was shaping up. I drank coffee with honey in it about 20 min before stage time. Don't think the honey and the candybar made a differnece in me. I just don't respond to simple carbs like most people.

The water deplete thing is also VERY different for different people. I cut salt at 4pm WEd and took oatmeal out of my diet and only used yams for carbs. Drank 1.5 gallons of water sun, mon, tues and wed one gallon, thursday and friday .5 gallons and none on Saturday. I also potassium loaded starting Wed...never heard of this before this contest, but it seemed to work really well.

Good Luck!
HT
 
hoteacher said:
Hey!

I had lots of problems in both of these areas. I peaked a little too early so I had some time to mess around with this stuff to see what worked for my body. Carb depletion or carbing up mad NO difference with me. I had to FAT load the night before and the day of the contest. I ate peaunut butter the night before and they day of. The day of the contest I ate a peanut butter candy bar, and yams every one to two hours and looked to see how I was shaping up. I drank coffee with honey in it about 20 min before stage time. Don't think the honey and the candybar made a differnece in me. I just don't respond to simple carbs like most people.

The water deplete thing is also VERY different for different people. I cut salt at 4pm WEd and took oatmeal out of my diet and only used yams for carbs. Drank 1.5 gallons of water sun, mon, tues and wed one gallon, thursday and friday .5 gallons and none on Saturday. I also potassium loaded starting Wed...never heard of this before this contest, but it seemed to work really well.

Good Luck!
HT


Very interesting!! I CAN'T have PB the day of the show as it bloats me terribly....... yuck!! :worried:
 
Thanks ladies.....I will see what my trainer will say when I have the posing session this thursday.

* I think she mentioned that I will just stop taking in water friday(the day before my show) after 12pm. ....Drink lots for the whole week and then do that.

I was curious what everyone else did.... The carb depletion is a bit confusing...is it even needed? What is the concept behind it???
 
The concept behind carb depletion, in simple terms, is something like this... your muscles will always look fuller when you have carbs, so when you make a carb depletion you are depriving your body from them so that when you start eating carbs again your body will absorb them as a sponge. Therefore if you've done all things right (training, rest, diet) you will not look bloated from this carb load.

I usually begin carb deplete one week before. For example if competition is Saturday I begin the previous Sunday and deplete for about 3-4 days and depending on how I see results is when I begin carb loading and for how long.

I've done the water deplete, but only one day before competition. In particular I don't like this much because I end up with not much energy. So what I do now is drink just the necessary water by small sips, you know the one you need for your casein, supplements and such. Also I get some electrolites for after the competition.
 
The full concept behind the combination of water depletion & carb deplete / load - please keep this in context tho - I'm a BB competitor and its much more important to get the ripped veiny look than for figure - so the shorter water deplete may work sufficiently.

As nikkita said, carbs help to give you the filled out look and they also require water to hold them. So just like the first 2 weeks of the Atkins diet - you drop your complex carbs for say Sunday - Wed prior to the show. If you've ever carb cycled, you know how shitty you feel when you are completely carb depleted but havent' quite quite switched over to a full ketogenic state. But you also expel water like crazy. So that coupled w/ a planned water depletion reduces the total amount of water in your body. If you throw in some potassium sparing OTC diuretics like MHP Expel or Taraxatone (dandelion root + usa urvi + potassium + mag), you can further promote water dumpage.

So by Wednesday you pretty much feel exhausted, bitchy & like complete shit because of the carb deplete. Then you start the carb load on Thurs - Sat. Carbs require 36-48 hrs or so to start filling you out. Lots of people tend to look better (more filled out) on the day AFTER their show because they didnt' carb up soon enough. But again, for figure, its not as critical - you want the softer look but not so soft that you lose your 6 pack & show squishiness in your ass. So as you start the carb load & continue the water depletion, you are further reducing your water intake, but the carbs are going to start looking for water to help them fill out -- so they will further start pulling more subQ water out to get your skin paper thin. By the time you stop your water intake & have had sufficient carb load & fill out time, you should be standign on stage.

Now for some of the caveats - ts a good idea to test a deplete & carb up way prior to your show day so you have an idea of how well & how fast you respond. As HT mentioned, a fat load worked better for her. I've seen that a few times. Myself, I respond well to a carb up handled in very small amounts and a serious water deplete. But fats bog me down for 2 days. I think the fat thing works for people w/ faster metabolism, but I havent' really dug into that particular hypothesis yet. If the carb up works for you, I highly recommend doing the carb up on a non-water required carb, e.g. potatos instead of rice or oatmeal because the required water to puff up the foodd has to be accounted for in your water depletion. There's also that chance of getting the bloat / stomach ache as well.

Some people also do a carb up on things like raisons, ANPB & jelly on rice cakes, etc. I did that back in 2000, but honestly couldnt' tell you how it worked. The simple sugar will definitely kick your veins up and at that point you are really looking to the fats to fill you out more. The fat load & fat requirements during the final week of prep are still a bit fuzzy to me how they work so I won't go into them. I relied on EFA tabs for my fats on my last days. I also pounded broccoli, but that you also have to be careful of because it can cause some miiserable bloat. (I never leave the house w/o my Beano & digestive enzymes...)

The last item I wanted to address was the electrolyte thingy. For most people the whole water deplete thing is not that big a deal - it is not comfortable being as dried out as you can get (e.g. major cotton mouth) but for the most part, even w/ OTC diuretics, as long as they are potassium sparing, you shouldnt' have any problems w/ an electrolyte imbalance. But, that is the one thing that you hear about w/ regard to competitors passing out on stage - electrolyte imbalance - probably due to overuse of non-potassiuim sparing diuretics (i.e.. NOT OTC...) But, for whatever reason, if you start to feel light-headed while you are standing in the line up before going on stage, it was recommended to me to keep a small bag of potato chips (i.e. salt) w/ you and chew down a couple to help even out your electrolytes if you do feel flaky. Note, I don't mean tired or exhausted, but rather really light-headed.

Other stuff that there are lots of schools of thought on are sodium deplete & load as well as potassium load. I haven't used either so I cant' speak much to them. I'd like to dig more into the potassium load as it worked famously for HT, but dont' know if that is related to her metabolism or it just works.

Hope that helps some :)
 
Sassy69 said:
The full concept behind the combination of water depletion & carb deplete / load - please keep this in context tho - I'm a BB competitor and its much more important to get the ripped veiny look than for figure - so the shorter water deplete may work sufficiently.

As nikkita said, carbs help to give you the filled out look and they also require water to hold them. So just like the first 2 weeks of the Atkins diet - you drop your complex carbs for say Sunday - Wed prior to the show. If you've ever carb cycled, you know how shitty you feel when you are completely carb depleted but havent' quite quite switched over to a full ketogenic state. But you also expel water like crazy. So that coupled w/ a planned water depletion reduces the total amount of water in your body. If you throw in some potassium sparing OTC diuretics like MHP Expel or Taraxatone (dandelion root + usa urvi + potassium + mag), you can further promote water dumpage.

So by Wednesday you pretty much feel exhausted, bitchy & like complete shit because of the carb deplete. Then you start the carb load on Thurs - Sat. Carbs require 36-48 hrs or so to start filling you out. Lots of people tend to look better (more filled out) on the day AFTER their show because they didnt' carb up soon enough. But again, for figure, its not as critical - you want the softer look but not so soft that you lose your 6 pack & show squishiness in your ass. So as you start the carb load & continue the water depletion, you are further reducing your water intake, but the carbs are going to start looking for water to help them fill out -- so they will further start pulling more subQ water out to get your skin paper thin. By the time you stop your water intake & have had sufficient carb load & fill out time, you should be standign on stage.

Now for some of the caveats - ts a good idea to test a deplete & carb up way prior to your show day so you have an idea of how well & how fast you respond. As HT mentioned, a fat load worked better for her. I've seen that a few times. Myself, I respond well to a carb up handled in very small amounts and a serious water deplete. But fats bog me down for 2 days. I think the fat thing works for people w/ faster metabolism, but I havent' really dug into that particular hypothesis yet. If the carb up works for you, I highly recommend doing the carb up on a non-water required carb, e.g. potatos instead of rice or oatmeal because the required water to puff up the foodd has to be accounted for in your water depletion. There's also that chance of getting the bloat / stomach ache as well.

Some people also do a carb up on things like raisons, ANPB & jelly on rice cakes, etc. I did that back in 2000, but honestly couldnt' tell you how it worked. The simple sugar will definitely kick your veins up and at that point you are really looking to the fats to fill you out more. The fat load & fat requirements during the final week of prep are still a bit fuzzy to me how they work so I won't go into them. I relied on EFA tabs for my fats on my last days. I also pounded broccoli, but that you also have to be careful of because it can cause some miiserable bloat. (I never leave the house w/o my Beano & digestive enzymes...)

The last item I wanted to address was the electrolyte thingy. For most people the whole water deplete thing is not that big a deal - it is not comfortable being as dried out as you can get (e.g. major cotton mouth) but for the most part, even w/ OTC diuretics, as long as they are potassium sparing, you shouldnt' have any problems w/ an electrolyte imbalance. But, that is the one thing that you hear about w/ regard to competitors passing out on stage - electrolyte imbalance - probably due to overuse of non-potassiuim sparing diuretics (i.e.. NOT OTC...) But, for whatever reason, if you start to feel light-headed while you are standing in the line up before going on stage, it was recommended to me to keep a small bag of potato chips (i.e. salt) w/ you and chew down a couple to help even out your electrolytes if you do feel flaky. Note, I don't mean tired or exhausted, but rather really light-headed.

Other stuff that there are lots of schools of thought on are sodium deplete & load as well as potassium load. I haven't used either so I cant' speak much to them. I'd like to dig more into the potassium load as it worked famously for HT, but dont' know if that is related to her metabolism or it just works.


Hope that helps some :)

Not only does it help SOME but it makes a world of difference. Now, the show is AMATEUR BB.....I guess I said FIGURE before b.c i wasnt even sure what it was LOL...now that I've read what you said, I think I need to do BOTH the carb load/water load--deplete....I dont really know when i have to do the test run to see how it works. My show is on Saturday---so start the carb down on the Tuesday week before the show??? The water will be easier(I'll make sure I throw in some potassium-diuretics)....I'll just drink tons of h2o starting monday before the show and cut out ALL h20 intake friday(day before show) at noon. Now, the carb load/deplete .... it would be SMART to test how it works for me...BUT will it affect my work outs for the next 3 weeks??? my training has to be HEAD ON for the next 3 weeks so thats why Im asking. I believe I will just start the carb thing starting Saturday 1 week out (dropping them----any idea on how much I should take in????)....then Carb load on Wednesday(any idea on amounts???)

THANK YOU SO MUCH...!!!!!!! ;)
 
Well Sassy pretty much covered it, lol when doesn't she. :) I swear I :heart: that woman.

For myself I water depleted and carb loaded, also fat loaded the second time and they both worked for me, so I guess I was lucky, not so sure I'll be so lucky this time since my body is giving me alots of problems.
 
You need to be careful with how much potassium you take before the show. It's just as dangerous to have potassium that's too high as well as too low. FYI peanut butter is high in potassium.
 
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