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Wish someone could offer me proof of God's existance
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jacked clown
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Jump off a bridge and see who you meet when you die
feisty11975
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Great advice jacked clown!!
Oh MY!!
Oh MY!!
hamstershaver
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lol, nicejacked clown said:
jackangel
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Angel said:LOL, look it was better than tellin him to jump off a bridge
it's fine with me. when it comes to proving god's existence, i suppose your advice is as good as anyone's.
except for mine, because i can make Him appear in a column of twisting fire like in the olden days, so that's nice.
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UA_Iron
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There is no proof. And the believer has still failed to provide it.
saint808 said:
Question: Why would you want God to be real? After all, He's got some pretty strict entry standards (like calling someone down = murder, lookin' at a broad = sleeping around) and if He were REAL . . nah, no one WANTS to believe, might have to change!
Defn: Faith - seeing that great little red Porsche in my mind, two years before I can buy it and taking the sales course that will allow me to get the $$$ to buy the critter!
PS. I think my cat typed this.
silverbackn
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Totally agree, he doesn't come knocking on your door. You have to search whole heartedly and whole souled. It will happen if you put your all into it.Tryn2 said:
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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Jesus? anyone remember him, or are all "stories" about him false?Lestat said:
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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well if walking on water, bringin dead people alive, blind to see, ill to healed or any of the thousands of miracles he performed in front of hundreds of thousands of people aren't enough then I guess he's just a gifted man.Lestat said:
And for whoever said stories change as time goes on....hmmm, so in 2000 years will people possibly be saying that there never was an Atomic Bomb dropped.....Or how about saying 1776 was just a normal year no biggie..we have no video of that but we know its true because you should have learned it in school. Forget then that Jesus was crucified because that was made up and no one has ever been crucified that long ago because we don't have an mpeg of it...AND lets just pretend that Jesus rose from the dead and walked into a room full of people who had SEEN him crucified only to show them his wounds and his life-like body.
As much as people HATE not having an mpeg of Jesus' resurrection, they will only know the truth when their time comes. It's VERY easy to not be a believer, so go ahead, take the easy way out people.
The top reasons people do not believe in God is plain and simple: They prayed one night and it "didn't work" or someone died that "shouldn't have" or why are people depressed, sick, and dying and no one ie God is doing anything about it. People lose hope EASY, they give up EASY, if something is difficult they won't do it. Try not swearing for a day, a week, try not looking at porn for a day, for a week. Try not saying something negative to anyone or even try to not think negative for severral days and tell me you don't feel better. Read the Bible. Talk to believers, DONT give up on yourself because you're so stubborn you don't want to be the "first believer in your family" or something like that.
Faith is essential. I wonder what non believers must think when something catastrophic OR something awesome happens to them....do they always blame God or do they ever THANK him for the good things in their life? Everyone's so quick to jump on the hate or non belief wagon b/c it seems like SO much going on today is "BAD" Well, alot today is BAD but millions of people are experiencing Gods hand (everyone does at some time or another) and don't even care to thank him and praise him.
Finally, Jeez, look up at the sun. Look at the Moon. Visit an Ocean. Study the human anatomy. Go outside and wonder why its not 250 degrees out or 300 degrees below zero. Think about all the good things that have happened in your life. DO NOT play "do they outweigh the good things in life." No one knows why God lets the things happen that have and are happening, but rest assured my friend, he'll be back. It may not be in your lifetime or your child's lifetime, that's also not our job to guess or predict. Your job is to be ready.
-Peace
good post. but I still don't believe, been there, tried that.DBBT said:
Speaking of healing people, i heard a story that was pretty amazing the other day.. this dude had a bad heart, and this other guy actually REMOVED the heart, took a heart out of someone who had died, and put it in the sick guy's chest and he was fine!!
I wouldn't go so far as to call him god though, but he was pretty damn smart and talented.
Tytan
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Sure God exists...He`s the greater power that allows you to believe in something good in this world. There isn`t physical proof, there`s only the faith you have within yourself....If you are doubting and not believing in God, look at your struggles throughout your life and see how you overcame them....if by chance it was being at the right place at the right time for something, or someone coming into your life at the right time to help you. It has been rumored to be the work of God...Even now, when you are looking for proof....its his way of making you seek knowledge you need to affirm whats missing in your life......one day you will believe and he will accept you..
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tiger88 said:
this is the worst thing i have ever heard... if you need some rules to tell you that stealing and kill are wrong. then there is something wrong with YOU not me. my dad told me one time that there was a some sort of study done in a jail, the inmates were asked how many of them believe in god.. how many of them believed in god... all of them
needtogetaas
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there is no god.see you all in hell.
If people needed proof of God's existence then there would be no need for faith. Sure, we'd all like him to come down and say "Yeah, I exist." but that's wishful thinking at best. It could depend on how badly you want to find him.
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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so you gave up? why? giving up or saying been there done that is giving up! Also did the guy you heard about cut through the sternum to get the heart out or did he just touch him and his problems were relieved? big differenceLestat said:
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UA_Iron
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curling said:
Wrong.
You are the one in the guandry.
You made the assertion, you back it up. I will just take the logical stance and refuse these silly ideas.
I like how you have to "truly search" for god in order to find him too. Chances are if you reached that destination it was by faulty reasoning.
And as an added bonus: If I'm wrong - the music is way better in hell anyway. (nice spin on Pascal's wager)
vansmack2000
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If the person you hated most was in heaven, then is it really heaven?
Just a point here. Many of the stories of today are being recorded on durable media, as it happens.DBBT said:
The story of Yahweh, was recorded on poor quality media, years, decades/or centuries after it actually happened. & translated from language to language by overworked, tired junior clerks in monasteries
There is no "proof". God is a belief, you either do or do not believe. It must be within you and your heart, mind and soul. If you do not believe you have a soul then he cannot exist. About the only "proof" you will find are the miricles of the old Testament, and those of the new. Some force made things happen, and the belief is God made these things happen.
don't believe? want to test HIM? you will not find an answer.
don't believe? want to test HIM? you will not find an answer.
Feynman
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ALL RELIGIONS are ONE
The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness
The Argument As the true method of knowledge is experiment
the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which
experiences. This faculty I treat of.
PRINCIPLE 1st That the Poetic Genius is the true Man. and that
the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic
Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from
their Genius. which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit
& Demon.
PRINCIPLE 2d As all men are alike in outward form, So (and
with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic
Genius
PRINCIPLE 3d No man can think write or speak from his heart,
but he must intend truth. Thus all sects of Philosophy are from
the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every
individual
PRINCIPLE 4. As none by traveling over known lands can find out
the unknown. So from already acquired knowledge Man could not
acquire more. therefore an universal Poetic Genius exists
PRINCIPLE. 5. The Religions of all Nations are derived from
each Nations different reception of the Poetic Genius which is
every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.
PRINCIPLE 6 The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original
derivation from the Poetic Genius. this is necessary from the
confined nature of bodily sensation
- 1 -
PRINCIPLE 7th As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various) So
all Religions & as all similars have one source
The true Man is the source he being the Poetic Genius
The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness
The Argument As the true method of knowledge is experiment
the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which
experiences. This faculty I treat of.
PRINCIPLE 1st That the Poetic Genius is the true Man. and that
the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic
Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from
their Genius. which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit
& Demon.
PRINCIPLE 2d As all men are alike in outward form, So (and
with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic
Genius
PRINCIPLE 3d No man can think write or speak from his heart,
but he must intend truth. Thus all sects of Philosophy are from
the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every
individual
PRINCIPLE 4. As none by traveling over known lands can find out
the unknown. So from already acquired knowledge Man could not
acquire more. therefore an universal Poetic Genius exists
PRINCIPLE. 5. The Religions of all Nations are derived from
each Nations different reception of the Poetic Genius which is
every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.
PRINCIPLE 6 The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original
derivation from the Poetic Genius. this is necessary from the
confined nature of bodily sensation
- 1 -
PRINCIPLE 7th As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various) So
all Religions & as all similars have one source
The true Man is the source he being the Poetic Genius
Feynman
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THERE is NO NATURAL RELIGION
The Author & Printer W Blake
[a]
The Argument Man has no notion of moral fitness but from
Education. Naturally he is only a natural organ subject to
Sense.
I Man cannot naturally Percieve, but through his natural or
bodily organs
II Man by his reasoning power. can only compare & judge of
what he has already perciev'd.
III From a perception of only 3 senses or 3 elements none
could deduce a fourth or fifth
IV None could have other than natural or organic thoughts if
he had none but organic perceptions
V Mans desires are limited by his perceptions. none can desire
what he has not perciev'd
VI The desires & perceptions of man untaught by any thing but
organs of sense, must be limited to objects of sense.
The Author & Printer W Blake
[a]
The Argument Man has no notion of moral fitness but from
Education. Naturally he is only a natural organ subject to
Sense.
I Man cannot naturally Percieve, but through his natural or
bodily organs
II Man by his reasoning power. can only compare & judge of
what he has already perciev'd.
III From a perception of only 3 senses or 3 elements none
could deduce a fourth or fifth
IV None could have other than natural or organic thoughts if
he had none but organic perceptions
V Mans desires are limited by his perceptions. none can desire
what he has not perciev'd
VI The desires & perceptions of man untaught by any thing but
organs of sense, must be limited to objects of sense.
Feynman
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THERE is NO NATURAL RELIGION
[b]
I Mans perceptions are not bounded by organs of perception. he
percieves more than sense (tho' ever so acute) can discover.
II Reason or the ratio of all we have already known. is not
the same that it shall be when we know more.
[III lacking]
IV The bounded is loathed by its possessor. The same dull
round even of a univere would soon become a mill with
complicated wheels.
V If the many become the same as the few, when possess'd,
More! More! is the cry of a mistaken soul, less than All cannot
satisfy Man.
VI If any could desire what he is incapable of possessing,
despair must be his eternal lot.
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VII The desire of Man being Infinite the possession is Infinite
& himself Infinite
Conclusion, If it were not for the Poetic or Prophetic
character. the Philosophic & Experimental would soon be at the
ratio of all things & stand still, unable to do other than repeat
the same dull round over again
Application. He who sees the Infinite in all things sees
God. He who sees the Ratio only sees himself only.
Therefore God becomes as we are, that we may be as he is
[b]
I Mans perceptions are not bounded by organs of perception. he
percieves more than sense (tho' ever so acute) can discover.
II Reason or the ratio of all we have already known. is not
the same that it shall be when we know more.
[III lacking]
IV The bounded is loathed by its possessor. The same dull
round even of a univer
complicated wheels.
V If the many become the same as the few, when possess'd,
More! More! is the cry of a mistaken soul, less than All cannot
satisfy Man.
VI If any could desire what he is incapable of possessing,
despair must be his eternal lot.
- 2 -
VII The desire of Man being Infinite the possession is Infinite
& himself Infinite
Conclusion, If it were not for the Poetic or Prophetic
character. the Philosophic & Experimental would soon be at the
ratio of all things & stand still, unable to do other than repeat
the same dull round over again
Application. He who sees the Infinite in all things sees
God. He who sees the Ratio only sees himself only.
Therefore God becomes as we are, that we may be as he is
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needtogetaas
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i have met benny hinn in person.talked with him for some time.grate guy.Lestat said:
cyrex
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saint808 said:
If you find out some real evidence.. let me know
I have yet to run across a truely intelligent person who has actually sat down and thought about it long enough that has 100% faith
I'm one of those people who, while I'd love to have faith and believe, I don't. Not because anything bad happened to me, but because I'm just not sure and I think most religious people are either A) brainwashed or B) deep down in side are not sure themselves.
Find a religious person who can speak intelligently about their religion/denomination/faith and not use any logical fallacies and I'll show you a truely respectable person.
Ooh, good one. That's the shocker at the end of the Majabharata, which is sort of the Hindu "Bible."vansmack2000 said:
Arjuna, the demigod we've been following for about 6,000 pages (this is a THICK book!) finally gets to heaven, and the only people there are his bitter, life-long mortal enemies, all smiling, happy, waiting to give him a big hug and say "Arjuna, welcome! All is forgiven!... Oh, your wife, your brothers, your son whom we killed? They're all in hell. Sorry about that."
Someday I really have to watch the rest of "What Dreams May Come." The setup really has me hooked... the guy's kids die, a few years later he dies trying to help someone and so goes to Heaven; his wife kills herself in despair at losing her entire family, and she goes to Hell.
So he goes to find her.
Now that's a story!
saint808 said:
Here is what people of EF think about God and their attempt to prove His existance.
https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395465
c00per
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Lestat said:
Benny Hinn -- Bwhahahahaha!!
Oh that guy is a great laugh.
I always love it when some great big fat cripple gets up on the stage and about 4 or 5 guys get behind her, cause you know what's going to happen next. I saw a documentary on him exposing all the scams he is into. He still manages to pack all the lemmings in for every show though. He was raking in something like $400 000 per show. Great hair too, lol.
As to the Jesus guy walking on the water bit --- ICE.
Making the blind see --- maybe they just had something in their eye.
Making the crippled walk --- maybe just a dead leg, I sometimes get those if I sit wrong.
Turning water into wine --- add a grape, shake well, serve.
If he was a carpenter then don't you think there would be some kind of plaque on a house somewhere that says built by Jesus. Gotta be a great selling point. But there isn't. Not even a spice rack with his name on the back.
It all comes down to 100 000 lemmings jumping off a cliff, not because it is the right thing to do but because all the ones in the back believe that the one at the front knows what he is doing.
strangebrew
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DBBT said:
I don't buy the whole "if you search with all your heart you'll find him" BS.
How do you tell the difference between a placebo and the real thing? Isn't it odd that the majority of people who become christians (who weren't born into it) are in bad places in their lives and are desperately searching for an answer. The mind is capable of believing anything if you try hard enough.
Much like Lestat, I'm also a former christian. I pretty much dedicated the early years of my life to serving something which I now realize, was entirely fabricated by my own mind. I even stopped masturbating for a whole year because I thought it was sinful. Now that's some fucking dedication.
Seriously though, I felt incredibly free when I "quit" God.
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BrothaBill
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I guess it all really depends on finding a workable definition of God
saint808 said:
Don't we all? There is no proof. My advice is for you to believe in it if it makes you feel good. Believe in it as an energy if you don't want to believe in it as a miraculous force. Whatever form and description you choose, I think it is important to believe that there is more than the flesh. But I do not think you will find proof. I like to believe that the proof in my life are the tasks and obstacles and lessons that I keep learning, and friends and family. Don't despair if you're going through a difficult moment. Talk it out - here, PM me, a therapist, a friend...
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Spartacus
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you have as much chance of a life after death as my cat
and I have three
and I have three
wakefib
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Prince K said:
believing that god has some sort of control over what we do or what happens in our world. doesn't make sense. if he can pop in and out of the world doing what he pleases to make things happen.. why doesn't he stop all the wars, and hate in the world????
and don't give me that shit about how god works in mysterious ways
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Spartacus
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I bought that DVD recentlydigger said:
waiting for someone to enjoy it with
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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No not the majority, but unfortunately it takes a good "slap in the face" for alot of people to accept Him and follow. I'll say it again, not being a Christian or following attempting to follow Christian morals is the EASIEST thing to do, anyone can do it. What everyone finds out to be the hardest thing to do in life is to follow God's lead and accept what life throws them and know that God is in control. No Christian is perfect, not even close. But when you're blatantly saying "i don't care anymore" that's giving up and yea you're life may seem awesome while you do "your thing" but trust you me, that "slap in your face" will come sooner or later and LEAST when you expect it to. Do horrible things happen to Christians? Yes, the same problems happen to all types of people whether your a junkie or a pastor. The difference is that one of the two has God is their corner AND is actually asking him for help! Many times it hits you throughout your life if do dabble with following then straying away. I know that from experience.strangebrew said:
strangebrew
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DBBT said:
Bro, that slap in the face has already happend. I don't need "God" to cope with it.
I heard a story today that made my eyes water. Sam is retired from the Air Force and from Yellow Freight. He is 72 years old. Every morning he takes his grandson to the school where I work. He waits in his car for 6 hours until his grandson is out of school. He gets out, walks around and talks my ears off sometimes. Anyone would be lucky to have a granddad like Sam.
Today, Sam was telling me how he met his wife of 52 years and how much he still loves her. Shit made my eyes water. He was on leave from the Air Force during the time of the Korean War, he was visiting his gf in Paris, Texas. Sam knew this wasn't gonna be the girl he married, so he decided to leave early. Sam prayed out loud to God to find him a wife. As he got on the Greyhound Bus to go back home to Mobile, Alabama, he laid eyes on one of the prettiest girls he'd ever seen. She lived in Dallas. Sam persuaded her to let him sit down beside her (he's a very persuasive man). During the bus ride, he got her address after pestering her long enough. She had prayed the same thing that he did that day before she got on that bus. He wrote her letters from Puerto Rico for 6 months and then surprised her by coming home early and not telling her. They were married 2 weeks later. Well, I don't know if that had anything to do with God, but it's a damn good and happy story.
Today, Sam was telling me how he met his wife of 52 years and how much he still loves her. Shit made my eyes water. He was on leave from the Air Force during the time of the Korean War, he was visiting his gf in Paris, Texas. Sam knew this wasn't gonna be the girl he married, so he decided to leave early. Sam prayed out loud to God to find him a wife. As he got on the Greyhound Bus to go back home to Mobile, Alabama, he laid eyes on one of the prettiest girls he'd ever seen. She lived in Dallas. Sam persuaded her to let him sit down beside her (he's a very persuasive man). During the bus ride, he got her address after pestering her long enough. She had prayed the same thing that he did that day before she got on that bus. He wrote her letters from Puerto Rico for 6 months and then surprised her by coming home early and not telling her. They were married 2 weeks later. Well, I don't know if that had anything to do with God, but it's a damn good and happy story.
javaguru
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So, if Sam and his future wife hadn't taken action do you think they would be together? Let me pray tonight for the woman I should spend my life with...since I'm staying in I'm assuming it won't be fulfilled. he knew he wasn't into the chick he was dating and was looking for something better...luckily he found it....no divine intervention..just random chance and desire...biteme said:
I am actually kind of glad this didn't end up a hate thread. I like actual debate and find people's opinions to be very differed and I actually like to try and see things through others point of views. I realize faith is exactly what it is... faith... nothing more and nothing less. I just wondered if anyone had actual proof. Like scientific facts and such. Is there a mathematical proof of the existance of God?
If there is a supreme being that cares and wants us to know him. "it" wouldn't have made it so hard to understand, I mean, seriously now. You are going to take the time to send your only son, who is in fact, part of you, and let him get tortured and killed.. you will make sure that the vast majority of all people who lived and died on this earth would know about it for a fact.
cyrex
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Lestat said:
I think it's pointless to assume what any supreme being would or wouldn't do... it's pointless because it is obviously SUPREME and thus whatever it does do IS the SUPREME way of doing shit...
as far as your comment on jesus...
assume for this discussion God does exist in every way the whole of the Christian religion believes and did send Jesus as a way to 'save the world'. If this were the case, I think it worked pretty damn well cause the whole situation caused such a ruckus that Christianity is what it is today . . .
Do i believe in God? (no i don't believe nor do I disbelieve I can argue equally on both sides and struggle with this myself every day)
Do i believe there was a dude named Jesus that lived around 2k years ago? (absolutely. Even the most outrageous old wives tails started from something that actually happened.)
BTW a great read:
Finding Darwin's God
great scientific explanation on creation discussing religion and evolution. Both sides very well, but i'd say it favors the non-religious POV more.. ALTHOUGH the auther does say that he does believe in God and his reasons are not logically explained so there is some discredit there..
anyways for anyone interested in religion and these types of debates, or those in a similar situation as myself who has some internal debate going on constantly, it's a must read.
spongebob
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im starting to think if there was truely a god HE WOULD NOT allow such pointless endless mindless bantering to continue in this thread.
post after post after post, please shut up already about it. someone please shitcan this thread. read some of this shit.
"if god created the earth then he would allow all peoples to wtf"
"but gods will is wtf"
"you can not prove god created man wtf"
"i have spoken with god wtf"
alright im done, continue i guess.
post after post after post, please shut up already about it. someone please shitcan this thread. read some of this shit.
"if god created the earth then he would allow all peoples to wtf"
"but gods will is wtf"
"you can not prove god created man wtf"
"i have spoken with god wtf"
alright im done, continue i guess.
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