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I know this shampoo is supposed to be used for dandruff...but the 1% otc version..or 2% script.....i have read is used to combat DHT and hair loss.

Now i dont have any problems im a young guy. But im wondering if it would be ok if i started using this before any potential problems show up which hopefully they never will anyways. I always like to rest on the side of caution.

Can anyone help me with this. Is it safe to apply regularly the 1% ..can there be any sides.....is it worth it.

Im thinking that its not a bad idea to apply it a few times a week.
What do you guys think....how would you dose it and why......
Comments welcome from anyone experienced.
 
I use it (1%) as my regular shampoo. Its not bad. Def helps prevent hairloss with or without juice. Haven't had any sides. Prevents dandruff too! lol
 
Gona start hittin it bro.. I used it today...seemed cool. The more positive things you can do for your health the better...you know what i mean.

Im hoping it wont do anything bad over the long haul....?
 
I Used afer Privorion wrecked My haiR, I Use mon -wed -fri leave in for 10 minutes)Whiles thats happening i will shave and such.

RADAR
 
Well I'm not as lucky as you two bastards since I am prone to mpb. I starting taking the 2% along with topical spiro about 3 years ago. All I got out of it was a lot of shedding in the begining, then gradual hair loss overtime. I now shave my head and although I like it, I would be lying if I said I don't miss stylin up the old hair evey once in a while. Like I said I'm prone to mpb, so we are obviuosly going to have different results. In my opinion all that hair saving shit is basically a waste of time/money. Either your going to lose it, or you aint. That being said, if it aint brokem, don't fix it. Good Luck.
 
Ill never use proviron then again.. I only used it once in high doses for about 25 days.

What do you mean Radar about ruining your hair....you got a nice full head of hair....? Did it temporarily start to fade...? You got a transplant or something...?
 
Not to get too metrosexual on here but I have used Nioxin shampoo for a few years after a hair stylist told me it is a great over all shampoo. It just so happens that it helps to remove DHT from your scalp and was made for guys with thinning hair/hair loss, etc. I prefer that for everyday use and I buy it at the WalMart hair place. I get the big bottle for about $23 or so and it last me for a long time. I shampoo every other day and just rise inbetween unless I got unusually funky. I then add Nizoral to my regimine twice a week when on. I am not prone to MPB, and all my hair is there. Plus I don't get itchy scalp....I hate that. For regular everyday use, I can't say enough about Nioxin.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Ill never use proviron then again.. I only used it once in high doses for about 25 days.

What do you mean Radar about ruining your hair....you got a nice full head of hair....? Did it temporarily start to fade...? You got a transplant or something...?
'''Privirion was the only compound that affected me ...so i started Nizoral & it stopped , this is my natural hair
i had hair all over by bed every morning, it was thinning out as i could see my scalp thru iot, it has since grown back/
Yes you can use Nizoral every day if you wish, i did for 3 weeks the alternate every other day now.
RADAR
 
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I have been using OTC nizoral as my regular shampoo for the past 4 years. I switched to 2% recently after a heavy primo run. Go get some Nioxin too and alternate days.
 
tommboy said:
why dont you guys wash your hair every day??? lol

I was told in high school by my dermatologist that washing your hair every day strips your scalp of too much of the oils and what not and drys it out making for unhealthy, itchy, flaky scalp. Unless you are digging a ditch and get it all dirty, washing it EOD works well for me. I have a typical military cut so a good rinse on your average work day is more than enough. He alsotold me the same thing about washing my face. I only use soap on my face EOD and have always had 90% clear skin. That may be genetics, but I hate that dry skin feel, especially in the winter.
 
wayneboard1 said:
I was told in high school by my dermatologist that washing your hair every day strips your scalp of too much of the oils and what not and drys it out making for unhealthy, itchy, flaky scalp. Unless you are digging a ditch and get it all dirty, washing it EOD works well for me. I have a typical military cut so a good rinse on your average work day is more than enough. He alsotold me the same thing about washing my face. I only use soap on my face EOD and have always had 90% clear skin. That may be genetics, but I hate that dry skin feel, especially in the winter.


JoJoba oil mixed with 35,000ius of Vitamine E will cure that!

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
JoJoba oil mixed with 35,000ius of Vitamine E will cure that!

RADAR

For the face or the scalp? I would hate to put something on my face intended for my scalp, and look like a glazed donut all day. lol
 
I use 2% every other day and at 34yrs old I have a full head of hair. Even when running primo and prov.....lol
 
I will start using the Nizoral 1% eod. ED on more protein. Thanks guys.
Also i have noticed that after soaking in a hto tub full of the stuff after my shower and applying it to my shoulders...the next day all my acne..was hard..and falling off and clearing up very nice. And no irritation or any other crap to the skin liek bezyl peroxide...or any other crap. Simply dried it up...acne only and not skin!

Im going to buy a big ass bottle today!
 
wayneboard1 said:
Not to get too metrosexual on here but I have used Nioxin shampoo for a few years after a hair stylist told me it is a great over all shampoo. It just so happens that it helps to remove DHT from your scalp and was made for guys with thinning hair/hair loss, etc. I prefer that for everyday use and I buy it at the WalMart hair place. I get the big bottle for about $23 or so and it last me for a long time. I shampoo every other day and just rise inbetween unless I got unusually funky. I then add Nizoral to my regimine twice a week when on. I am not prone to MPB, and all my hair is there. Plus I don't get itchy scalp....I hate that. For regular everyday use, I can't say enough about Nioxin.

I hear that. I use Nioxin every day shampoo and cream rinse and gel (which is very light) its a little more expensive than regular stuff but worth it. I have used the Nizoral and I think, for me, the Nioxin is better.
I also use Xanadrox and Minoxidil 5% when on.

God Bless,

CL
 
What are the active ingredients in nioxin?

Also what is the action of minoxidil..active ingredients?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
What are the active ingredients in nioxin?

Also what is the action of minoxidil..active ingredients?

Here are some interesting reads on Nioxin.

http://www.nioxin.com/men/index.cfm

Here is the answer to your question above.

"BIONUTRIENT PROTECTIVES formulated with Glyco-Fused Complex, this system address the special needs of fine or thin-looking chemically enhanced hair. It addresses problems associated with thin-looking hair by cleansing the scalp and hair of product buildup, DHT, and lingering chemical residue. And, it provides chemically enhanced hair build-up with the moisture and vitamin nourishment needed to stay fuller and healthier-looking. "

(FYI Bionutrient Actives does the same thing that the protective does but it is for non cehmically treated hair. At least thats what my dermotoligist told me)

This is what I use.

http://www.nioxin.com/nioxin_produc...ves&p=bionutrient_actives_cleanser&v=benefits
 
Could not washing normal hair gell of regularly be bad for your hair...i mean..balding etc...not looks, structure , hair health etc.....that would suck.....i hope not.

Thanks for info.
 
They have more than 1 product. I use hair gel. What is the nioxin product i should get guys?
 
the lady that does my hair told me to use the chemically protective one as you will need to wash out that hair gel there don johnson. :qt:
 
There is a shampoo (cleanser), a conditionier (scalp therapy), and a leave in treatment (scalp treatment or follicle booster). It works best if you get the 3 part system, but you should at least get the shampoo and conditioner. I use nioxin, nizoral, saw palmetto extract, and xandrox, and my hair is thick as hell on or off cycle. I put together this system after tren thinned out my hair. My hair is even starting to look thicker than it did before I started AAS.
 
krishna said:
There is a shampoo (cleanser), a conditionier (scalp therapy), and a leave in treatment (scalp treatment or follicle booster). It works best if you get the 3 part system, but you should at least get the shampoo and conditioner. I use nioxin, nizoral, saw palmetto extract, and xandrox, and my hair is thick as hell on or off cycle. I put together this system after tren thinned out my hair. My hair is even starting to look thicker than it did before I started AAS.

Geesh first don johnson and now fabio with his flowing locks. lol
 
bump for why nizoral 1% is as effective as 2%.

And I use nizoral about EOD, and the only thing i've ever noticed is it makes my hair feel like straw...
 
that and would nizoral/nioxin help prevent me losing hair from runnng winny/proviron too? or does it work specifically for regular DHT? Just wonderin.
 
Nate82 said:
bump for why nizoral 1% is as effective as 2%.

And I use nizoral about EOD, and the only thing i've ever noticed is it makes my hair feel like straw...

That sounds like overly dry hair. Try only shampooing every 3 days or only use the nizoral once or twice a week, and use another shampoo on an EOD basis. I would also reccomend a conditioner.
 
Nobody really knows with absolute certainty how nizoral works, so it's difficult to say why 1% is as effective as 2%. Seems to be beside the point anyway. I've read studies that show 1% to be practically as effective as 2%. What's important is that it works, not why it works. Just use it bro!
 
krishna said:
Nobody really knows with absolute certainty how nizoral works, so it's difficult to say why 1% is as effective as 2%. Seems to be beside the point anyway. I've read studies that show 1% to be practically as effective as 2%. What's important is that it works, not why it works. Just use it bro!

I just recently read a study for 1%. It was done at the end of 2005 or just this month, can't remember. Anyways, it did show that 1% was effective. I don't know if 1% is just effective as 2%.

I have tried it several times (2%) , but each time I stopped using after only a few applications. It changes the texture of my hair. I am not sure if it strips something off of my hair or adds something to it. I just know that the feel of my hair changes for the worse. Haven't heard anyone else complain about this.
 
My hair started thinning 4 years ago in college, my dermatologist suggested proscar and Nizoral 2%. He said the Nizoral 1% that you could buy at Walgreen's wasn't nearly effective as the 2% which in the U.S. requires a script. Long story short, I use the 2% 5 days a week and my hair is much thicker and sheds less. I keep it on for 10 minutes while I shave and brush my teeth.
 
krishna said:
Nobody really knows with absolute certainty how nizoral works, so it's difficult to say why 1% is as effective as 2%. Seems to be beside the point anyway. I've read studies that show 1% to be practically as effective as 2%. What's important is that it works, not why it works. Just use it bro!

I found some more info:

Topical ketoconazole (as contained in Nizoral shampoo) shows itself to have a "weak" anti-DHT binding affect in the scalp.

Positive results with Nizoral shampoo are often noted within a few weeks, whereas a pure anti-DHT affect may take a few months. It is therefore likely that Nizoral exhibits another method to its anti-hair-loss effect.

One such theory of Nizoral’s anti-alopecia effects may be on its activity upon sebum.

Sebum is a fatty substance that accumulates in the scalp around the hair follicles. It’s possible that the removal of sebum may help "unclog" the hair follicle and expose it to more nutrition from an improved blood supply, rather like unclogging a drain!

It is known that Nizoral can remove and reduce sebum deposits.

That would explain why the % of ketoconazole is not greatly significant - however I assume it would be "better" to use the 2% version as it would have slightly stronger DHT blocking potential.
 
Thanks, why the hell is 2% scripted.. Morons want to make more money. I dont see it being dangerous.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Thanks, why the hell is 2% scripted.. Morons want to make more money. I dont see it being dangerous.
It contains a fingicide that is also available in a cream for applications to the skin. I would assume that this ingrediant is what requires a script regardless of which product it is in.
 
RADAR said:
I Used afer Privorion wrecked My haiR, I Use mon -wed -fri leave in for 10 minutes)Whiles thats happening i will shave and such.

RADAR

That is how I use it too. I use it twice a week (1%), and leave it sitting on my scalp while I shave in the shower. I am going to try rubbing some on my shoulder zits now, see if that works!

I used to use T-Gel, but I think the Nizoral works a bit better. I do wash it every day, but the other days I usually just use a small amount of baby shampoo.

I have a bit of a receding hairline, but I buzz it to 1/8th - but it is nice to know that some of it is still there :)

This is a good thread. I like that so many bros have done research on keeling the hair. That is what I call all-around committment!


Bluesman
 
So I'm about a week or so left on my current bottle of 1%, so should I just go ahead and stick with the 1%? or should I get the 2%? anyone else have more info to support either?

Also, does it help with hairloss from winny/masteron/tren? and other things like that??
 
sigmund said:
I found some more info:

Topical ketoconazole (as contained in Nizoral shampoo) shows itself to have a "weak" anti-DHT binding affect in the scalp.

Positive results with Nizoral shampoo are often noted within a few weeks, whereas a pure anti-DHT affect may take a few months. It is therefore likely that Nizoral exhibits another method to its anti-hair-loss effect.

One such theory of Nizoral’s anti-alopecia effects may be on its activity upon sebum.

Sebum is a fatty substance that accumulates in the scalp around the hair follicles. It’s possible that the removal of sebum may help "unclog" the hair follicle and expose it to more nutrition from an improved blood supply, rather like unclogging a drain!

It is known that Nizoral can remove and reduce sebum deposits.

That would explain why the % of ketoconazole is not greatly significant - however I assume it would be "better" to use the 2% version as it would have slightly stronger DHT blocking potential.

It may SEEM that the 2% would be better, but studies have shown that there is no significant difference between the two. I've also read information that theorizes that another possible way nizoral helps reduce hair thinning is that it reduces inflammation associated with balding. When DHT attaches to receptors at the follicle, it causes an immune reaction in which one's own immune system attacks the follicle (which is the actual cause of hair loss). It was theorized that nizoral reduces the inflammation caused by the immune reaction, therefore reducing the damage done to the follicle.
 
Wait, so Nioxin IS different than 2 % nizoral? If im using the 2% nizoral a couple times a week now what should I do about nioxin???
 
tommboy said:
Wait, so Nioxin IS different than 2 % nizoral? If im using the 2% nizoral a couple times a week now what should I do about nioxin???

Use it the rest of the week; and yes, there is a difference.
 
krishna said:
It may SEEM that the 2% would be better, but studies have shown that there is no significant difference between the two. I've also read information that theorizes that another possible way nizoral helps reduce hair thinning is that it reduces inflammation associated with balding. When DHT attaches to receptors at the follicle, it causes an immune reaction in which one's own immune system attacks the follicle (which is the actual cause of hair loss). It was theorized that nizoral reduces the inflammation caused by the immune reaction, therefore reducing the damage done to the follicle.

interesting stuff. Thanks Krish!!
 
is it just regular run of the mill nioxin you use? cause i've seen umpteen different types for different types of hair and what not...
 
Nioxin sounds gay with all that extra bs. Im going with Nizoral...:)
If there is 1 type i can buy in the store i will get it ( Nioxin)...but if theres a whole beauty section..100 diferent kinds...for diferent hair types..etc...im not touchign it. I want a manly shampoo.
 
krishna said:
Just get the 3 step system for normal hair. The lady at the salon will know what you need.



when you say use nioxin the rest of the week do you mean the days you dont use the nizoral or every day of the week???
 
Alright, I ordered some Nioxin Bionutrient Protectives shampoo and conditioner online. You beauty queens convinced me... lol
 
krishna said:
Just get the 3 step system for normal hair. The lady at the salon will know what you need.

I bought the 3 step system last week. No shit...after 2 days of use the front of my hairline and crown were much thicker looking. I am very paranoid of loosing my hair so I notice very subtle differences. I bought the small 3 step for $15 on sale at my salon. You get a shampoo a conditioner and a moose type product. This shit really works. Give it a shot, its only 15-20 bucks.
 
mustang347 said:
I bought the 3 step system last week. No shit...after 2 days of use the front of my hairline and crown were much thicker looking. I am very paranoid of loosing my hair so I notice very subtle differences. I bought the small 3 step for $15 on sale at my salon. You get a shampoo a conditioner and a moose type product. This shit really works. Give it a shot, its only 15-20 bucks.




What is nioxin for? Is it temporary regrowth will it go away when you stop usage? Or does it block dht????
 
Krishna, Salon? Lmfao...im looking to pick some up at walmart...i dotn go to any salons...a old fashioned barber cuts my hair...and shaves me. Old school :) Hehe.

So i go to walmart.....what are the exact product names i am to pick up at the isle.
It will say NIOXIN 3 STEP ?? Its 1 botttle or 3 diferent solutions?
 
Krishna, Salon? Lmfao...im looking to pick some up at Walmart...i dont go to any salons...a old fashioned barber cuts my hair...and shaves me. Old school :) Hehe.

So i go to walmart.....what are the exact product names i am to pick up at the isle.
It will say NIOXIN 3 STEP ?? Its 1 botttle or 3 diferent solutions?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Krishna, Salon? Lmfao...im looking to pick some up at Walmart...i dont go to any salons...an old fashioned barber cuts my hair...and shaves me. Old school :) Hehe.

So i go to walmart.....what are the exact product names i am to pick up at the isle.
It will say NIOXIN 3 STEP ?? Its 1 botttle or 3 diferent solutions?

Walmart itself does not sell it, nor does any grocery type store for that matter. Usually there is a salon inside of Walmart that will typically have it. I wait til they have it marked down to 50% off cause it's pretty expensive. The bottles are big though and should last awhile.
 
i couldnt find nioxin anywhere in walmart and i went to 4 different ones in 4 different towns lol,
 
It's not sold by walmart, but sometimes it's sold in the salon inside of walmart. You can't buy it at grocery stores.
 
OK I was able to find nizoral btu jsut the shampoo, I bought it. I also found a salon with Nioxin but there was all sorts of options and I ahd no idea which one I should get.

So 1) what is the difference between nioxin and nizoral? 2) Which nioxin shampoo, conditioner, cleanser, etc... are the one's to get?
 
SoreArms said:
OK I was able to find nizoral btu jsut the shampoo, I bought it. I also found a salon with Nioxin but there was all sorts of options and I ahd no idea which one I should get.

So 1) what is the difference between nioxin and nizoral? 2) Which nioxin shampoo, conditioner, cleanser, etc... are the one's to get?

sorearms, my man, check this out.

baldness is in my family, dad was bald by 31, my older brothers are going bald. ive been losing my hair for ten years, here lately a lot more shedding.

i came to the conclusion i was going for transplants, mind you i still had a lot of hair but losing it, receding and on top. i was kind of bummed cause im not going to let it happen even if i had to get transplants.

heres what i put together to combat it. and im not gonna post scientific research, studies or whatever to back any of this up. ill leave that to the guru's.

first thing i did was purchase some finasteride 5mg from here, http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/generics/fincar.html
it will get to your door in approx 7 days.
the next step is to go to the pharmacy and buy a pill splitter. you will cut the 5mg pills either into 1/4 or 1/6. i did 1/6 for awhile and then got tired and now do 1/4.
1/4 = 1.25mg per dose
1/6 = approx .88mg per dose
go with the 1/6 for awhile, it should be fine.
you get 30 pills for about 32$.
30X6=180 doses. 180 days for 32$

next find some generic rogain online. its all over the net. the 5%. or if you want to pay a little more and pay for dr. lee's script get the 12 or 15%. they say it works better on the frontal area than the 5%.

next buy some 2% nizerol from here, http://www.granvillewellness.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=1592
im not gonna argue which is better 1% or 2%, bottom line is the 1% at the pharmacy is the same price as the 2% online. might as well go with the 2%.

next buy you some nioxin package, shampoo and spray in conditioner. its about 20$ at the store. you can buy it online im not sure if its cheaper.

now this is my regimine that definitely worked for me.

i take one dose of finasteride daily. morning or night. without fail. like i said split it into 1/6.

i take a shower before work. i wash my hair with my regular shampoo to get it clean. because you dont want to use the expensive nizerol to clean, just to medicate. after i wash my hair i apply the nizerol to my scalp, not the hair. it takes a lot less to do this if you wash with shampoo first. i gently message my scalp to lather it up. and i just apply to the top of my head, not the sides and back. although some will get there.

then i proceed to wash my body and frank and beans. after several minutes or longer depending on if im in a hurry i rinse it out. then apply some conditioner about twice a week.

i wash with nizerol daily.

next i blow dry my hair. then i apply my generic rogain(minoxidol, or whatever). it says 1mil, i usually do a slight bit less because i will use it again at the end of the day. i rub the dropper over the top of my head to the areas i need it. it runs down sometimes but you will get better at applying it with practice. then i lightly dry it with the blower.

then before bedtime i apply the minoxidol again, so thats twice a day.

that spray in conditioner, the nioxin spray, i use that whenever to condition my hair. real easy to use and anytime. just spray and comb thru and dry.

the nioxin shampoo. once maybe twice a week i will substitute that for the nizerol treatment. it seems to condition more. but i put my money on nizerol for real treatment.

finasteride 1 dose a day.
nizerol every day after shampooing.
minoxidol twice a day.
nioxin shampoo once maybe twice a week
nioxin spray in conditioner whenever, its a nice touch and makes your hair feel thicker and softer.

your hair will go thru changes for about two months. its almost like this treatment kills off some of it. but it starts a new growth cycle.

someone mentioned something about nizerol changing the texture of thier hair, true but thats why you use the nioxin shampoo once a week plus a regular conditioner at least eod. and also use the nioxin spray in conditioner. and if your going out on the town, i dont use the nizerol that night and ill use a good conditioner and my hair looks and feels fantastic, no shit.

i not only stopped my hair loss i reversed it. no shit, it worked. im extremely happy with the results. took about three solid months of treatment but now it seems to be regrowing real well. i have more hair than i did two years ago. its even coming back in my temple area which is said to be the hardest to regrow.

if you add this treatment up its not that expensive for the year. hopefully this will cease all hair loss till they come up with something really good.

i think omega mentioned adovart or something like that. its suppossed to be better than finasteride(propecia) but its a lot more expensive, since they dont have a generic brand yet. they will though after a few years. if you can afford that it might be the way to go. its said to be better and work better on the temple area. i might give it a try. its on the same website as the one i linked above for the finasteride.

good luck and dont give up. have patience, i almost gave up even after using this treatment but here recently im damn glad i didnt. my wife has been making a lot of comments about it. its definitely noticable.

nothing is as important as my hair thats why i use this treatment religiously.

and ive recently started a small dose cycle consisting of prop, sus, and eq. my hair has only gotton better.
 
OMEGA said:
over ride all the Shampoo at get DutaSteride ( AvoDART)

Protect both Hairline AND Prostate

that alone is not 100% effective against stopping dht. you need a topical treatment(minoxidol). nizerol helps as an anti-imflamatory.

you need all three.
 
still need an answer to my q :(

Will nizeral and/or nioxin help with hairloss from other aas, that ISNT" made in the body dht? such as winny or tren?
 
spongebob said:
sorearms, my man, check this out.

baldness is in my family, dad was bald by 31, my older brothers are going bald. ive been losing my hair for ten years, here lately a lot more shedding.

i came to the conclusion i was going for transplants, mind you i still had a lot of hair but losing it, receding and on top. i was kind of bummed cause im not going to let it happen even if i had to get transplants.

heres what i put together to combat it. and im not gonna post scientific research, studies or whatever to back any of this up. ill leave that to the guru's.

first thing i did was purchase some finasteride 5mg from here, http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/generics/fincar.html
it will get to your door in approx 7 days.
the next step is to go to the pharmacy and buy a pill splitter. you will cut the 5mg pills either into 1/4 or 1/6. i did 1/6 for awhile and then got tired and now do 1/4.
1/4 = 1.25mg per dose
1/6 = approx .88mg per dose
go with the 1/6 for awhile, it should be fine.
you get 30 pills for about 32$.
30X6=180 doses. 180 days for 32$

next find some generic rogain online. its all over the net. the 5%. or if you want to pay a little more and pay for dr. lee's script get the 12 or 15%. they say it works better on the frontal area than the 5%.

next buy some 2% nizerol from here, http://www.granvillewellness.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=1592
im not gonna argue which is better 1% or 2%, bottom line is the 1% at the pharmacy is the same price as the 2% online. might as well go with the 2%.

next buy you some nioxin package, shampoo and spray in conditioner. its about 20$ at the store. you can buy it online im not sure if its cheaper.

now this is my regimine that definitely worked for me.

i take one dose of finasteride daily. morning or night. without fail. like i said split it into 1/6.

i take a shower before work. i wash my hair with my regular shampoo to get it clean. because you dont want to use the expensive nizerol to clean, just to medicate. after i wash my hair i apply the nizerol to my scalp, not the hair. it takes a lot less to do this if you wash with shampoo first. i gently message my scalp to lather it up. and i just apply to the top of my head, not the sides and back. although some will get there.

then i proceed to wash my body and frank and beans. after several minutes or longer depending on if im in a hurry i rinse it out. then apply some conditioner about twice a week.

i wash with nizerol daily.

next i blow dry my hair. then i apply my generic rogain(minoxidol, or whatever). it says 1mil, i usually do a slight bit less because i will use it again at the end of the day. i rub the dropper over the top of my head to the areas i need it. it runs down sometimes but you will get better at applying it with practice. then i lightly dry it with the blower.

then before bedtime i apply the minoxidol again, so thats twice a day.

that spray in conditioner, the nioxin spray, i use that whenever to condition my hair. real easy to use and anytime. just spray and comb thru and dry.

the nioxin shampoo. once maybe twice a week i will substitute that for the nizerol treatment. it seems to condition more. but i put my money on nizerol for real treatment.

finasteride 1 dose a day.
nizerol every day after shampooing.
minoxidol twice a day.
nioxin shampoo once maybe twice a week
nioxin spray in conditioner whenever, its a nice touch and makes your hair feel thicker and softer.

your hair will go thru changes for about two months. its almost like this treatment kills off some of it. but it starts a new growth cycle.

someone mentioned something about nizerol changing the texture of thier hair, true but thats why you use the nioxin shampoo once a week plus a regular conditioner at least eod. and also use the nioxin spray in conditioner. and if your going out on the town, i dont use the nizerol that night and ill use a good conditioner and my hair looks and feels fantastic, no shit.

i not only stopped my hair loss i reversed it. no shit, it worked. im extremely happy with the results. took about three solid months of treatment but now it seems to be regrowing real well. i have more hair than i did two years ago. its even coming back in my temple area which is said to be the hardest to regrow.

if you add this treatment up its not that expensive for the year. hopefully this will cease all hair loss till they come up with something really good.

i think omega mentioned adovart or something like that. its suppossed to be better than finasteride(propecia) but its a lot more expensive, since they dont have a generic brand yet. they will though after a few years. if you can afford that it might be the way to go. its said to be better and work better on the temple area. i might give it a try. its on the same website as the one i linked above for the finasteride.

good luck and dont give up. have patience, i almost gave up even after using this treatment but here recently im damn glad i didnt. my wife has been making a lot of comments about it. its definitely noticable.

nothing is as important as my hair thats why i use this treatment religiously.

and ive recently started a small dose cycle consisting of prop, sus, and eq. my hair has only gotton better.
thanks bud

There is no history of baldness in my family, but I have been thinning on the front, specially the "power alleys" and top the last couple of years. Doesn't look that bad yet, but I also don't want to let it get there. So I'm going to give the nizoral a try for a bit. If that alone doesn't help it's good to know there are options, specially ones with first hand accounts of success.

how does your treatment affect your libido?
 
SoreArms said:
thanks bud

There is no history of baldness in my family, but I have been thinning on the front, specially the "power alleys" and top the last couple of years. Doesn't look that bad yet, but I also don't want to let it get there. So I'm going to give the nizoral a try for a bit. If that alone doesn't help it's good to know there are options, specially ones with first hand accounts of success.

how does your treatment affect your libido?

i never really noticed a libido effect but do think it may have slowed it a bit and ive heard others have that effect. good luck with just nizerol.
 
Spongebob....what you posted is an excelent regimen for balding people. I would like to know however what would be appropriate for prevention. I dont want to be taking any medications oraly, and do not want to be spending more than a few minutes per day to implement this regimen.

Nizoral, Nioxin is in. Would you guys recomend to go further for prevention....i thought Nizoral targets DHT. Now i hear some talk about Rogaine......what exactly does Rogaine do?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Spongebob....what you posted is an excelent regimen for balding people. I would like to know however what would be appropriate for prevention. I dont want to be taking any medications oraly, and do not want to be spending more than a few minutes per day to implement this regimen.

Nizoral, Nioxin is in. Would you guys recomend to go further for prevention....i thought Nizoral targets DHT. Now i hear some talk about Rogaine......what exactly does Rogaine do?

well its been awhile since ive read up on the exact mechanism of nizerol, but i do know it helps as an anti-inflamatory on the scalp. if i were you and looking for prevention i would use the nizerol and nioxin the way i use it. it doest take time at all for that.

if you wanna take it a step further without meds then use the minoxidol(rogain). minoxidol is the only topical solution approved by the fda to combat hairloss, if that means anything to you. it fights dht at the scalp, whereas the oral(propecia) inhibits the production of dht.
 
Minoxadil is meant for only the rear circle region of the head. Not anywhere else.
 
Thanks for info goes to texas BB

Azelaic acid 5%

Proven to inhibit up to 100% of DHT where applied

Description: Azelaic acid is a naturally occurring saturated dicarboxylic acid with the chemical name of 1,7-heptanedicarboxylic acid and a molecular weight of 188.22. Azelaic acid is a dietary component of whole grain cereals and animal products.

Clinical Pharmacology: The exact mechanism of action of azelaic acid is not known. The antimicrobial action may be attributable to inhibition of microbial cellular protein synthesis. Azelaic acid at high concentrations is bactericidal against Propionibacterium acnes and Staphylococcus epidermis and possesses bacteriostatic properties against a variety of aerobic microorganisms, including Staphylococcus aureus, Escherichia coli, Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Candida albicans. In vitro, azelaic acid acted as a scavenger of oxy radicals and inhibits a variety of oxidoreductive enzymes including 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to DHT. Azelaic acid (0.1 to 3.0 mmol/l) has been shown to produce a competitive concentration dependent inhibition of 5-alpha reductase activity in homogenates of human foreskin. Azelaic acid is being studied for potential antimycotic and antiviral properties. The multiple actions of azelaic acid cause a normalization of keratinization and a decrease in the free fatty acid content of skin surface lipids.

Pharmacodynamics: Following a single application to human skin, 3 to 5% of the azelaic acid penetrates into the strateum corneum (up to 10% is present in the dermis and epidermis). There is negligible cutaneous metabolism after topical application. Approximately 4% of topically applied azelaic acid is systemically absorbed and mainly excreted unchanged in the urine. The half-life is approximately 12 hours after topical dosing, indicating percutaneous absorption rate-limited kinetics. After topical treatment with azelaic acid, plasma concentration and urinary excretion are not significantly different from baseline levels.

Contraindications: Azelaic acid solutions or lotions are contraindicated in individuals who have shown hypersensitivity to any of their components.

Warnings: There have been isolated reports of hypopigmentation after use of azelaic acid, although there is no depigmenting effect on normal melanocytes.

Precautions: If sensitivity or severe irritation develops with the use of Azelaic Acid treatment should be discontinued. The most common adverse reactions occurring in approximately 1-5% of patients were pruritis, burning, stinging and tingling, usually at the start of treatment and may last 5 to 20 minutes, especially if the skin is inflamed or broken. The adverse effects commonly subside if treatment is continued. Other adverse reactions such as erythema, dryness, rash, peeling, irritation and dermatitis were reported in less than 1% of patients. The following additional adverse experiences have been rarely reported: worsening of asthma, vitilago pigmentation, hypertrichosis and reddening (signs of keratosis pilaris). Note: azelaic acid will consistently lighten hyperpigmented skin (skin that is daker than normal for a given individual) but will not typically lighten skin beyond its normal color. Rarely, patients with dark complexions may notice hypopigmentation of skin. There are no systemic adverse effects.

Considerations: Azelaic acid is normally found in the human diet and is not considered to be a carcinogenic substance. Mutagenicity studies are negative and animal studies have shown no adverse effects on fertility or reproduction. Human problems have not been reported during pregnancy.




What do you guys think?.....woudl this be safe for prevention without sides....anyone use this?...where can it be purchased?
 
I use Xandrox if I'm gonna run any SERIOUS hair-killer gear. Its 5% Azelaic acid and 5% Minoxidil. It definitely helps, especially if you also use nizoral. You can buy it here: http://www.minoxidil.com/
A bottle costs about $35 and lasts me about a month. You need to fill out an "online consultation", then you can order it.
 
What you think about just azelic acid bro...? I mean Minoxadil is meant only for the rear head circle area...from what it says on the box. Also keep in mind that i dont have a hairloss problem this is for prevention only...as a precaution.

I dont want to get hairloss from using some of these products. I wonder if it would be fine to use that 5% azelic acid without sides.
I would like to add this to Nizoral as a precaution......but i dont want any liver etc sides inclding hairloss caused by unneeded treatment.

What do you think?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
What you think about just azelic acid bro...? I mean Minoxadil is meant only for the rear head circle area...from what it says on the box. Also keep in mind that i dont have a hairloss problem this is for prevention only...as a precaution.

I dont want to get hairloss from using some of these products. I wonder if it would be fine to use that 5% azelic acid without sides.
I would like to add this to Nizoral as a precaution......but i dont want any liver etc sides inclding hairloss caused by unneeded treatment.

What do you think?
I don't think you'd get any sides. Its actually pretty mild stuff, the alcohol is the strongest part. It seems to work just as well at preventing hairloss everywhere on my head. I can't say its really worth the money for me unless its a cycle that would definitely kill my hair though. If you aren't very prone to hairloss I would just stick to nizoral/nioxin personally, that combo seems to work OK.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Minoxadil is meant for only the rear circle region of the head. Not anywhere else.

When the makers of minoxidil were first testing it, they did so only on the crowns of those participating. It was proven, within certain parameters, to actually increase hair growth there. In order for them to be able to state on their labels that minoxidil increased hair growth anywhere else on the head, they would have had to spend another fortune testing it in those areas. They decided further testing was not worth the expense as long as they could continue to state that test proved it increased hair growth on the crown.

That doesn't mean it won't work anyplace else except the crown, only that they haven't tested other areas of the head because of the expense involved.
 
kbrkbr said:
When the makers of minoxidil were first testing it, they did so only on the crowns of those participating. It was proven, within certain parameters, to actually increase hair growth there. In order for them to be able to state on their labels that minoxidil increased hair growth anywhere else on the head, they would have had to spend another fortune testing it in those areas. They decided further testing was not worth the expense as long as they could continue to state that test proved it increased hair growth on the crown.

That doesn't mean it won't work anyplace else except the crown, only that they haven't tested other areas of the head because of the expense involved.


Great info brother...k your way.

Now if someone could tell me how to get a hold of 5% Azelic Acid. I take it the doc needs to write me up a script?
 
Awesome info duck man. I appreciate it. K your way. You guys have helped me a lot. Some excelent info in this thread!


What i still need to find out is are there any sides to using minoxidil/azelic acid? Liver/Kidneys....etc. Can this be harmfull to my hair and cause me to loose hair if i use it for prevention/as a precaution rather than someone who is using it because their hair is thining?

Any MD oppinion is apperciated.

PS: Duckman do you know if they have Azelic Acid alone?
I dont think i would need the minoxidil if i have more than enough hair.
 
I don't know if they have Azelic acid alone. It may be worth contacting them.

As far as sides, they would be the same as Rogaine. With Rogaine (minoxidil) you may have some initial shedding as this is normal. It's the hairs that were about to fall out anyway. Then a new, stronger hair grown in it's place. You'll notice small clear hairs growing that eventually grow into thick hair that is the same color as the rest of the hair on your head.
 
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