2 weeks in need help

hey guys i'm on my 15th day of dbol 30mg a day and test sustanon 250 2x a week.. so 500mg a week...

My starting weight was 160 and now i'm up to about 161-162.. Doesnt feel like there is one bit water retention though.. It's actually been spreading and cuttin my body nicely just small results... What am I lacking on or am I? I eat a good 3 to 4 meals a day. The gear is deffinately legit... no fakes ... i know the test takes 3-4 weeks to kick in but the dbol didnt seem to do much... face is a tad bit oilier now ... I still have 2 weeks of dbol left

I've been hittin it hard in the gym ..crazy hard .. I've been a hardgainer for awhile now.

Stats in the gym since AAS
For my reps of Dumbell flat bench press.. 4 sets of 8.. Dumbells have gone from 70 to 85's... however i've been up around the same strength before so it wasnt a shock to me to move up that fast so easily. I'd guess my max would be close to around 225 on the bar... gonna find out soon.. thats just what i was doing last time i was using 85's

My workout consists of:
Chest/Tris
Legs/abs
Back/Bi's
Day Off
Shoulders
Day Off then resets

Prob about 3000 calories a day or so... somedays more somedays a tad less

I guess i'm asking is this normal so far?

i would up the calories man. 3000 a day is no where close to enough for me. was that a typo saying ur only up a few pounds or did i read that wrong...? i gained 10 pounds in my first couple weeks of dbol. strength going through the roof yet or what? you are right i like the way it cuts my up all around its a great drug but i think i may like anadrol better cause i get less sides.

nope not a typo... i'm up about 2 pounds... thats why I'm trying to pinpoint my problem... strength isn't through the roof yet... I do get pumped up in the gym. Another problem I noticed that i've never had before is that after a Hard set or exercise I feel like i've run a mile or something.. Almost feel like passing out. I guess maybe thats because of the effort I'm throwing at it?

Up good calories as well as Water intake (at least one gallon a day or as close as you can get to it ) and make sure you're breathing correctly when lifting (not holding ur breath to squeeze out reps)... instead of 3-4 make it 6 meals spread out. start there and see what happens .......

It sounds like you are trying to gain size. Do a 4 day split, 2 workout days, then 1 day off. One warm-up set of 10 reps.then add weight, for 8,7,6 reps. this will give you enough rest and build size and strength, if that is your goal. Also if you want size and strength, go to barbell bench presses, forget the dumbells, not enough weight to gain size.You will see very few powerlifters using dumbells, and they are the biggest people on the planet.

3-4 meals a day is no where near enough. You need 6

Are you consuming a post work out drink?
What are you eating exactly? Cuz if you are only eating 3 meals I doubt you are getting 3,000 calories into your body

No I'm not consuming a post workout drink... I do however eat a full meal right after the gym... I have a post workout shake mix sittin in my room but something has been killing my appetite like crazy... Man It's got to be diet. Normally when i eat 3 or 4 meals that consists of going to the dining hall and eating maybe a chicken sandwich, a salad, piece of pork or steak, and maybe a hotdog... I pretty much eat meals such as this about 3 times a day maybe 4. Anything you guys know of to get my appetite back?? I used to be able to throw back 5000 calories like it was nothing. I always feel like i wanna throw up after eating now... sux

golferstud84 said:

No I'm not consuming a post workout drink... I do however eat a full meal right after the gym... I have a post workout shake mix sittin in my room but something has been killing my appetite like crazy... Man It's got to be diet. Normally when i eat 3 or 4 meals that consists of going to the dining hall and eating maybe a chicken sandwich, a salad, piece of pork or steak, and maybe a hotdog... I pretty much eat meals such as this about 3 times a day maybe 4. Anything you guys know of to get my appetite back?? I used to be able to throw back 5000 calories like it was nothing. I always feel like i wanna throw up after eating now... sux

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A chicken sandwich and a salad....and you THINK you are getting 3000 cals per day??? Where are you getting it at? The dressing on the salad?
Bro you are going to have to do some serious eating to make any weight gains. Leave the salad alone...It don't do anything other than take up space. You need to have a PW shake every day. You need to have a minimum of 6 meals per day...if you are a hard gainer then you might want to try 7 or 8 meals.
You are not wanting to eat because of Bloat. You may not feel bloated, but some AAS can take away the appetite as well as some can boost it. You are just going to have to force yourself to eat. and when you eat small meals, then it is not quite so bad. Remember to leave the worthless filler stuf alone like salads...That can feel like a full meal but you are geeting nothing from it that will make you gain weight.

You also need 1 gram of protein for every pound of bodyweight!

You must understand that you cannot build anything without the proper materials and that is what "Diet" is all About. Here's a mass building diet that is meant to build muscle, while keeping fat gain to a minimum. I will accomplish this by sticking with extremely clean eating!
Components :



Protein - I can talk all day long about the importance of protein! But I will sum it up by saying that this macronutrient contains the building blocks of muscle tissue! Without the proper amount of protein you can kiss muscle gains goodbye! I would recommend a minimum of 1 to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight a day from sources such as chicken, fish, turkey, steak, skim milk, egg whites and protein powders. Therefore, if you weigh 200 pounds, you should consume 200 to 300 grams per day. Lastly, I would stay away from foods such as bacon and ribs. All the meat you eat should be lean.

Carbohydrates - Obviously you cannot induce muscle growth without intense workouts. Well, there is no way that you can train at an optimal level without the bodies chief source of fuel. The Carbohydrate. This macronutrient not only fuels us, but it releases one of the body's most anabolic hormones in response to its ingestion. This hormone is called insulin, and it increases the uptake of protein into our muscles tremendously. Carbs also spare protein so that it can be used to build muscle as opposed to being burned as energy (see note). You should consume 2.5 to 3.5 g of carbohydrates a day. That said, a 200 pound man would consume 500 to 700 grams of carbs a day from complex carbohydrates such oatmeal, and wheat bread.

Note: The body has the capability to convert other macros into glucose. Such a process is known as gluconeogenesis. Mr. Knowlden discusses this in The Window Of Opportunity. Here is an excerpt:

Cortisol literally converts muscle tissue to proteins for conversion into glucose. This is your body’s way of producing energy when all readily available energy (glucose) and stored forms (glycogen) of energy have been expended. To compensate for this depletion of energy, your body will go into a process called gluconeogenesis to produce glucose from amino acids in the liver. The end result of this process? Hard earned muscle used as energy, and all potential gains becoming null and void.

Essential Fatty Acids - Fat intake, namely from EFA's, are vital to your progress. Essential Fatty Acids help with countless areas in our bodybuilding lifestyle. For more information on this, refer to, Essential Fatty Acids - An In Depth Analysis.

Calculating Your Calories

I discuss caloric calculation in 13 weeks to burning fat the diet. . Here is what you must understand: even though food is extremely anabolic, a general rule of thumb, is that the higher you raise your caloric intake, the more fat you will store. You can minimize this through clean eating, and slowly raising your calories. For example, say your maintenance is 3, 000 calories per day, you might tack on an additional 250 calories the first week to increase muscular gains. On that low an increase, fat gain will be negligible to non-existent! If weight gain fails, then increase your intake slowly again.

Sample Meal Plan

The following diet is over 4,500 calories, you will of course adjust it to your daily needs as calculated above.

Meal One
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

5 egg whites
60
0
18
0

2 whole eggs
144
0
12
10

1 cup Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

1 medium sized apple
90
23
1
0

Total
594
77
41
16




Meal Two
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

7 oz chicken breast 217 0 45 4
1 cup Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

Total
517 54 55 10



Meal Three
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

6 oz Tuna
186 0 39 3
4 slices wheat. bread 440 104 8 2
Total
626 104 47 5



Meal Four (PW shake)
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

45 Grms Dextrose 180 45 0 0
45 Grms Dextrose 180 45 0 0
46 grams of Whey
220 6 46 3
Total
580 96 46
3




Meal Five
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

1 Cup of Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

1 Large Sweat Potato 150 35 3 1
2 turkey Burgers 260 2 48 6
Total
710 91 61 13



Meal Six
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

8 oz fish 258 0 45 9
1 Large Sweat Potato 150 35 3 1
Total
408 35 48 10



Meal Seven
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

8 oz fish 258 0 45 9
2 or 3:1 ratio N3-N6 EFA'S--2 table spoons 250 0 0 25
Assorted Greens 40 6 2 1
Total
548 6 47 35



Meal Eight
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

1 Cup Cottage Cheese 220 5 45 2
2 or 3:1 ratio N3-N6 EFA'S--2 table spoons 250 0 0 25
Assorted Greens 40 6 2 1
Total
510 11 47 28



Daily Totals
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

Nutrient Grams
4,500
474
392
120

Now you have no excuse not to grow!
RADAR

Dude I'll echo the glaring fact that you've got to eat. You're probably at 1500 cals MAYBE! 2lbs in 2 weeks is a total wate of the money you spent on the gear. Also, I would question at least the quality if not the "realness" of your gear. It just doesn't add up even with your low cals that you only gained 2lbs in over 2 weeks with the d-bol. Sometime you can be surprised at how legit something looks and have it be bunk. Eat, eat and eat and see if that helps and I personally would question whether the gear is fake. As for the post workout drink, that is the most critical item in a diet. My opinion is that it HAS to be in liquid for so those carbs and proteins are absorbed quick. A regular meal just takes too long post workout to do any real good. Plus you need those sugars post w/o and you're not getting it with a salad and chicken sand. That would be a light snack in most peoples book. A typical meal shoud consist of 2 chicken breasts, 2 cups of grean veggies or sweet potatos and in my opinion a scoop of whey just for the hell of it.