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I have seen this at a few other boards. This dude was abusing and not using. This is what happens if you abuse. When are people ever going to learn that moderation is the key. :rolleyes:
 
Yes if you abuse anything you can get hurt. That is why I try to talk to the young guys in my gym who know nothing but do it any way. I recently took to much vitamin A and got sick as hell. Take to much advil you can die. Use knowlege and disaplin and you will be ok.
 
THe symptoms he described from taking the GH that landed him in the hospital are from having a blood sugar level that was way to high.
 
I think the poundages this guy was lifting did just as much if not more damage than all the drugs he was taking (with exception to the cadaver GH). The body can only handle so much weight before the joints start to go. And this guy had almost every major joint surgically replaced.
 
I have to agree, that was serious abuse, 13 injectables at once he said, not even counting the orals and ancilliaries. And heavy, for years at a time obviously. Plus, non-synthetic HGH to boot, this was in the early 80's at best when he was doing this. Plus, I mean come ON, who the hell straps 200lbs to a motorcycle helmet to do neck crunches, that's just fucking idiot, steroids or not! That problem was due to his own stupidity, as were most of his problems. He just shouldn't have touched gear at all.
 
I guess if anyone does 13 different cycles at the same time, lifts much more than what your body can sustain, you'll end up like this guy..that's why I only do about 2 steroids at a time..Nice, slow gains..nothing more..
 
He's not "wondering" why he's having health problems he obviously knows he crossed the line, he blatenly admits it. The point is when doing steroids its easy to get carried away. The only thing he says that I thought was stupid is when he mentions he would have never lifted if he knew what was going to happen. I dont care who u are, if you weight train on gear or not, its never a waste of time.
 
I got to agree with that helmet thing being the absolute dumbest shit I've ever heard of. That would be like hanging a 25 off one of the those Test induced boners and squeezing your ass cheeks real hard to try to get some more gurth. Honestly, I've never heard of anything so friggin stupid in my life. I feel bad for the guy, but common sense has to step in some time. Just like when you know you're ragin so you pull yourself back from the edge.....common sense. And what about "pretty much everything on the market now is fake"....c'mon man. Dude had a seriously bad experience induced by his own horrible judgement, better to educate how to properly use than scare people from using.
 
Was all that damage caused by the weight he was lifting?

This shit scared the hell out of me.
 
ironhorse242 said:
Yes if you abuse anything you can get hurt. That is why I try to talk to the young guys in my gym who know nothing but do it any way. I recently took to much vitamin A and got sick as hell. Take to much advil you can die. Use knowlege and disaplin and you will be ok.
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I'm using disaplin now. Is disaplin one of those new injectables? Oh. Wait. Sorry.
 
13 injectables at a time is really ridiculous. Does anyone know what type of competition level this guy was in? Pro , amateur?

I wonder if any of the pros nowadays do 13 at a time, I mean come on, that doesn`t make any sense. I don`t think Ron Coleman would have gotten to see his 40st birthday if he did/does that...
 
i cant name 13 different injectables.........test, eq, deca, primo, tren, mastron............what else?

but he also counted clomid..... so im not sure if he realy reffering to 13 different steroids.
 
He looks pretty good naturally in the end. i think too many of you are going off on him.

imagine if you had his problem, and came clean, and then everyone starting calling you stupid. you would feel pretty bad wouldn't you. I commend him for what he has done. He helps keep things in perspective for us.
 
view said:
He looks pretty good naturally in the end. i think too many of you are going off on him.

imagine if you had his problem, and came clean, and then everyone starting calling you stupid. you would feel pretty bad wouldn't you. I commend him for what he has done. He helps keep things in perspective for us.
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What he should be saying is how stupid he was for abusing gear. That now he realizes he was a complete idiot and now maybe he can get some common sense into his head.
 
Look, Im new to the site...but alot of it is common sense. I wouldnt do that just because I know how adversly it could affect my body. Again...People should use commone sense.

Big
 
i think its safe to assume that this idiot didnt care whether he lived or died. he could of injected 20 different steroids and taken 10 different orals just knowing your pushing the envelope with 3-4 compounds is enough to say to yourself " am i pushing it?" maybe he was just a heroin or coke junkie trying to switch habits and chose gear as his final path. imo its clear that suicide was an option for this clown whether it was from abusive steroid usage or by a gun trigger...nobody is that stupid to even inject 5 digfferent types of steroids w/out some kind of side effect.
 
i agree he is pretty dumb--but even using small amounts for an extended period can be dangerous--everyone justifies themselves by saying "i use small dosages" when in fact they arent small dosages cuz they are not supposed to be in the body in first place. Ive quit using juice for a year and a half and used before for 3 years on and off with mediocre dosages and i can tell that it has damaged my body from just three years. My back and neck in pain-- my legs get sore for days from doing minimal amounts of cardio but its not muscle pain it feels like my bones are gonna snap . And i know its the juice. Just be careful guys --especially the young ones--it really aint worth the risk for just a few looks
 
what a moronNN - LOLL! "I drilled a hole in his helmet I had...." bawaaahahaa!! "Then I said, I'm gonna take 13 injectables and some Pain Killersss, and it'll be coollllll..." Uber Smart!!!
 
The reason he was even discussing this was to educate people. He realized he made bad choices and is trying to educate others. He also never told anyone not to use but to wait until they are the proper age. Dialtone good post brother, im glad i watched that.

season7445
 
He was massive at his peak, that's for sure.
 
The guy looked great but it was at a cost, a big cost. You guys be careful and use your head out there. I read a book years ago about a guy who started working out his local YMCA using machines then progressing to free weights then eventually taking AS and moving out to Cali to live the bodybuilding lifestyle. He eventually got out of the game and went back to being a lawyer and has nothing to do with the sport and doesn't look like he ever touched a weight in his life, good book just can't think of the name.
 
btw he said its way worse now then when he was juicing. wtf, 13 u idiot 13! i dont kno n e idiots doing 13 now u jackass!

one last thing, some people say roids do stop u from getting taller, some say they dont. what is the truth?
 
instant.muscle said:
btw he said its way worse now then when he was juicing. wtf, 13 u idiot 13! i dont kno n e idiots doing 13 now u jackass!

one last thing, some people say roids do stop u from getting taller, some say they dont. what is the truth?
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The truth is they can cause your bone plates to fuse prematurely, therefore preventing you from becoming taller. This is only a problem in adolescence. After about age 21 or whenever you aren't growing taller anymore than it becomes safe to use. The estrogen that certain steroids aromatize to is what causes your plates to fuse and ultimately causes you to stop growing. In medical practice they do use anavar in children when needed for certain conditions without the fear of stunted growth, for the simple fact that oxandrolone doesn't aromatize to estrogen. I imagine halo and proviron would be O.K. too. That is the TRUTH.
 
Well he has some strange info....besides 13 different AAS substances. He mentioned 6 week cycles??? Arnold getting shorter??? Arnold exaggerated his height in the first place and I never heard anyone doing any cycles for less then 8 weeks.

First of all the speaker has a condition...MS. So of course he will degenerate no matter what he did and doing heavy weight only made the problem worse. Most healthy people can take AAS in moderation and be just fine if they know what they are doing.

007 I like my Gear shaken, not stirred.
 
The guy was crazy. I think he didn't know what he was doing to himself.
 
i dont really think its hard to be on 13 different compounds at a time, especially if pre comp.

1.Masteron
2.test prop
3.anavar
4.deca
5.fina
6.T3
7.nolva
8.liquidex
9.hgh
10. proviron
11.synthol
12. slin
13.Winny
14. Halotestin
15. Methandriol dipropinate
16. Escilene

And if you think this stack is crazy. Well every pro you see on that stage is probably on this many compounds. Can u say "human pin cushion"?
 
Shit i forgot EQ and test suspension. So that makes 18 compounds. That guys started to look a little tame to me.LOL
 
When I finished seeing this...it made me think. Damn! Maybe I should stop juicing. But then I thought...why should I? I'm not abusing. This fucking guy was straight up ABUSING!!!! 13 drugs all at once!!!?? Come on! And you know he must have been injecting tons of mg's of each drug in each part of his body. That is just plain stupid!

If this guy ended up really fucked up by taking 500mgs of Test per week with 400mgs of Deca per week, well then...I would have to think twice about touching gear again. But like I said...this fucking guy doesn't compare to us smarter bros here. This guy is or was 100% STUPID! 200lbs on his head? give me a break! Dumbass!
 
I want the cliff notes version. Got bored after the Acetabulum part. Use don't abuse. Lokk how skinny the fucker was once he was off
 
Look you can tell this guy was and is an idiot. Extremist is an understatement. He says,"If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't even work out." Right after he states he's been working out on a band machine and shows a pic of what he looks like now. Sounds like he's working out to me. Still hasn't learned his lesson. Even overdoes it on the therapy.........bees? He just wants to be an experiment at all times for anything.
 
This is a great example of somebody in the anti steroid movement that uses his past too ruin it for the rest of us.

How do we know all the problems he developed wouldn't have happened to him anyway? I mean look how many people die in their20's, 30's, 40's, or even 50's for the same things that steroids supposedly cause when they have never touched them in there lifes. I've personnally known men and women that have died in the ages I listed above and lived healthy and never once took steroids.

A 24 year old could walk into anyplace drop dead of heart failure and we could later find out that he ate a ham sandwich an hour before he died and jump too the conclusion that ham sandwiches and heart disease are connected,COME ON!!!

I just think that people like this guy are predisposed to the health problems that they developed.
 
androjunkie said:
The truth is they can cause your bone plates to fuse prematurely, therefore preventing you from becoming taller. This is only a problem in adolescence. After about age 21 or whenever you aren't growing taller anymore than it becomes safe to use. The estrogen that certain steroids aromatize to is what causes your plates to fuse and ultimately causes you to stop growing. In medical practice they do use anavar in children when needed for certain conditions without the fear of stunted growth, for the simple fact that oxandrolone doesn't aromatize to estrogen. I imagine halo and proviron would be O.K. too. That is the TRUTH.
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NO, your face, ribcage, scapula, pelvis and clavicle all develope until 23 or 25.
 
I think some of you guys are missing the bigger picture here in that the majority of his problems stem from his workout ethic and lack of sense when it came to using pain-killers. And wow has this guys thing gotten around to every bb board now or what... lol




- BA
 
instant.muscle said:
he said insulin jacks ur organs and makes them bigger. is this true? that cant b healthy...
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BUMP, will insulin jack up ur organs if used by it self? shuld you not mix GH with insulin ... some say you need inslulin in order for GH to work? someone explain.
 
Outtlaw said:
I think the poundages this guy was lifting did just as much if not more damage than all the drugs he was taking (with exception to the cadaver GH). The body can only handle so much weight before the joints start to go. And this guy had almost every major joint surgically replaced.
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yup, thought the same thing.
 
Patrick Steele said:
I have seen this at a few other boards. This dude was abusing and not using. This is what happens if you abuse. When are people ever going to learn that moderation is the key. :rolleyes:
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The guy was abusing AAS; using 13 different injectible steroids at one time!!!

He also was using the GH that used pituitary gland from human cadavers......the ones that alot of the JKD cases developed from (infected prions).

Bottom Line = He was not using, he was ABUSING!

Now he's coming out against AAS alltogether, when in reality it was his own stupidity that caused him to be in the position he is in today. Two hip replacements, one shoulder replacement, kidney and liver problems......lower back problems etc.

The guy is a statistic...........exactly what CAN happen to you if you are abusing 13 different AAS at once........

Common sense and experience would tell you that doing the cycles he was running would only cause longterm health complications......



DIV

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DIVISION said:
The guy was abusing AAS; using 13 different injectible steroids at one time!!!

He also was using the GH that used pituitary gland from human cadavers......the ones that alot of the JKD cases developed from (infected prions).

Bottom Line = He was not using, he was ABUSING!

Now he's coming out against AAS alltogether, when in reality it was his own stupidity that caused him to be in the position he is in today. Two hip replacements, one shoulder replacement, kidney and liver problems......lower back problems etc.

The guy is a statistic...........exactly what CAN happen to you if you are abusing 13 different AAS at once........

Common sense and experience would tell you that doing the cycles he was running would only cause longterm health complications......



DIV

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TRUTH
 
you guys that are going on about how stupid this guy is, I'm guessing you dont know much about pro bodybuilders.....you could not find even one in the top 30 that doesnt use the same amounts as him, more I bet if you include the easy availability of synthetic gh now. Thats what it takes to be a pro, some can do it without hurting themselves that badly, some cant, it depends on how bad you want it.

Many of you would likely say the same things about the doses I run, but I have blood tests and ecg's for my heart to prove I havent hurt anything yet.....do you?
 
This reminds me of the show Extreme Sports. The higher you jump the harder you fall. The less precautions you take the more risk you add. They break bones all the time. The more reckless you are the more risk you take of getting hurt. This guy was reckless.

I live by balance now at forty-two. When I was younger I didn't think twice about getting hurt. Now, sometimes I walk down the stairs and worry about falling.
 
so what is this guys story anyhow? why is he lecturing about the evils or steroids? is he promoting something?
 
needsize said:
you guys that are going on about how stupid this guy is, I'm guessing you dont know much about pro bodybuilders.....you could not find even one in the top 30 that doesnt use the same amounts as him, more I bet if you include the easy availability of synthetic gh now. Thats what it takes to be a pro, some can do it without hurting themselves that badly, some cant, it depends on how bad you want it.

Many of you would likely say the same things about the doses I run, but I have blood tests and ecg's for my heart to prove I havent hurt anything yet.....do you?
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Perfectally stated. I agree.
 
He was using SMALL amounts of different compounds thinking it would be more effective...doesn't mean his total MG amount was extreme.I guarantee that the pro's today are on much,much higher dosages than this guy.Just like Needsize says.

The injuries he had were from stupid lifting.
 
that's why I only do about 2 steroids at a time..Nice, slow gains..nothing more..[/QUOTE]

Yep, I did a couple cycles where I was using 3 aas at once. From now on no more than 2 aas and I would never do more than 1,000mgs p/w.
 
little chris said:
that's why I only do about 2 steroids at a time..Nice, slow gains..nothing more..
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Yep, I did a couple cycles where I was using 3 aas at once. From now on no more than 2 aas and I would never do more than 1,000mgs p/w.[/QUOTE]

at our height and weight chris, thats more than enough ;)
 
It is a scientific fact that a human (or animal) never learn from their mistakes! The method "trial and error" is famous, i.e. in school or other places. What you learn new (and hopefully good) behavior from, is when you do something right!

The lecture from the guy should make us reflect on what we are doing; we are all ABUSING steroids, like it or not! The question is if you abuse it carefully or not. Don\t fool your self by thinking that this guy is stupid and make him the idiot. I allso use steroids, but I don`t try to justify it as "using". What I do is living rich in a cheating way. I still want to live till I am 70, so that is what you should consider: Is it worth it, and is it safe enough?
 
shortstack said:
Yep, I did a couple cycles where I was using 3 aas at once. From now on no more than 2 aas and I would never do more than 1,000mgs p/w.
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at our height and weight chris, thats more than enough ;)[/QUOTE]


Very True Stack,

It also has to do with what kinda look you want. I'm more into the ripped athletic look rather than the bulky powerhouse look.
 
at least he admits his mistakes, less is more is the perfect way to look at this. 13 types of gear!!!! his body must have been like a dartboard!! he must have run out of places to jab. we should learn from his mistakes.
 
You guys keep atributing all this guys problems to the gear he used. I challenge anyone to find me somebody who straps 200lbs to their neck for neck raises that doesnt have neck problems. Find me sombody who has squatted 800lbs regularly for years on end that has never had knee, back, or hip problems.

The guy said he was taking pain killers to get through his workouts. I can only imagine the damage he was doing to his joints at that point.
 
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Outtlaw said:
You guys keep atributing all this guys problems to the gear he used. I challenge anyone to find me somebody who straps 200lbs to their neck for neck raises that doesnt have neck problems. Find me sombody who has squatted 800lbs regularly for years on end that has never had knee, back, or hip problems.

The guy said he was taking pain killers to get through his workouts. I can only imagine the damage he was doing to his joints at that point.
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I doubt the gear had anything to do with his injuries. Why is he blamming gear for the way he worked out and the weights he used like for his neck?
 
it makes a more interesting lecture to blame all his problems on steroid use, working the crowd. people feel superior hearing about people messing themselves up from using steroids.
 
it suck though because he was one of us and he turned now blaming the steroids...he should tell how he could of done the steroids and been ok if he would of just ..... listened to his body pain that is a sign hey i am hert damn it let me rest ...
 
umm his neck again was from what roid? I dont see ronnie or the tons of people I know having neck problems.

My guess he took all orals look on how he deflated
 
Well i emailed him...I told him i dident not like what he was doing...just big scare on steroids...he blames them for his misfortune... he had problems because of the poundages and choice of exersises .... is was not the steroids but his extremeism..
he went hard...when he was in pain he said fuck it and trained anyway....that why he had problems...
 
I thought it was an excellent talk. I enjoyed it and if I was in that lecture theatre I'd have asked lots of questions. What would you prefer - that the dangers of poor training and excess steroid usage were never brought to light? The reason we are making less and less mistakes in our cycles and training is thanks to guys like him
 
Slightly off topic.....but,
Seeing how this guy deflated, just wondering, how well do most of you retain your gains from a cycle?
I seem to read a lot of people saying things like "I gained 20 pounds and kept 15". Well, if that were really true, then everyone here who has done several cycles, would weigh about 400 pounds.

So what is the trick to retaining some of your gains over a long period of time? Without having to continue doing cycles. I'm not talking about competitive size, I mean your really average joe who maybe starts at 175 and goes up to 190 after aas....
 
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