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split endz
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700 mg/cap ? How many do you recommend for a standard dose. Powder form, I'm taking 5-10 g/ed.
RussianRocket
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x_muscle said:
I don't have a problem with your post. There are plenty of places selling powders. But 3 of them have been caught selling Creatine HCL so make sure you see an certificate of analysis on their material.
We don't sell powders, we're selling capsules of material that we tested to be pure. Like I said, if you can find capsules of pure CEE for less I would like to see it.
We don't sell powders, we're selling capsules of material that we tested to be pure. Like I said, if you can find capsules of pure CEE for less I would like to see it.
Before your workout. Sorry I should have said that.
Macro will be writing about the reason for CEE rather than Creatine. This is someone else's description.
Creatine Ethyl Ester is a brand new type of supplement that does not really compare to any creatine you may have tried. Its rapid absorption and nearly 100% utilization makes Creatine Ethyl Ester 30-40 times more potent than regular creatine. Its absorption is so potent, it will improve the performance and delivery of other supplements. Due to its advanced structure, no bloating, cramping, dehydration, fat gain or water retention is experienced. What is experienced is insane pumps, dramatically increased endurance and of course, strength gains. Due to its inability to break down, Creatine Ethyl Ester is stable in various liquids.
Macro will be writing about the reason for CEE rather than Creatine. This is someone else's description.
Creatine Ethyl Ester is a brand new type of supplement that does not really compare to any creatine you may have tried. Its rapid absorption and nearly 100% utilization makes Creatine Ethyl Ester 30-40 times more potent than regular creatine. Its absorption is so potent, it will improve the performance and delivery of other supplements. Due to its advanced structure, no bloating, cramping, dehydration, fat gain or water retention is experienced. What is experienced is insane pumps, dramatically increased endurance and of course, strength gains. Due to its inability to break down, Creatine Ethyl Ester is stable in various liquids.
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I think the thing here is peace of mind. I know places that sell testovirons for 4 dollars an amp, but who knows how legit they are. I always pay a little more for peace of mind, and at AF you know your body will intake nothing but the best/purest product.
Whacked
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Interesting......
What is Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL and where does it come from?
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.
What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?
Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass1,2,3,4, muscle strength5,6 and athletic performance.7,8
However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.
Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."
Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?
Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?
All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:
Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids
When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.
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When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.
Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.
Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterification of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.
Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterification of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.
This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!
Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate. Many multiple sclerosis patients are classified as creatine non-responders, but with the improved absorption seen with CEE this may not be the case.
Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?
Much controversy has been generated over creatine ethyl ester. Companies and individuals with a financial interest in promoting creatine monohydrate products have attempted to discredit creatine ethyl ester. Some companies have even gone so far as to commission laboratory reports that show that creatine ethyl ester is not real.
Included with this page is one such report, and also included are two COA's - certificates of analysis - proving that creatine ethyl ester is real. These are included so that you, the consumer, can make up your own mind - so that you can base your choices upon the power of information.
The one report that states that creatine ethyl ester is fake was commissioned by an industry company with an interest in discrediting creatine ethyl ester. The two certificates of analysis included show that CEE is real and was done on raw source product and conducted by people with no financial interest in the promotion of creatine ethyl ester.
The esterification of creatine is chemically possible and not hard to conceive. Those who claim that CEE is fake are denying obvious science and are cheating the consumer.
To view these reports click here!
How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?
Strictly adhere to label recommendations.
No side effects have been reported in scientific literature.
REFERENCES
1. Racette SB. Creatine supplementation and athletic performance. J Orthop Sports Phys Ther. 2003 Oct;33(10):615-21.
2. Kreider, R.B., 1999. Dietary supplements and the promotion of muscle growth with resistance exercise. Sports Medicine 27:97-110.
3. Becque, M.D., et al. 2000. Effects of oral creatine supplementation on muscular strength and body composition. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 32: 654-658.
4. Ingwal JS, Weiner CD, Morales MF, Davis E, Stockdale FE: Specificity of creatine in the control of muscle protein synthesis. J Cell Biol 63:145-151, 1974.
5. Rawson ES, Volek JS. Effects of creatine supplementation and resistance training on muscle strength and weightlifting performance. J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Nov;17(4):822-31.
6. Kambis KW, Pizzedaz SK. Short-term creatine supplementation improves maximum quadriceps contraction in women. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Mar;13(1):87-96.
7. Gill ND, Hall RD, Blazevich AJ. Creatine serum is not as effective as creatine powder for improving cycle sprint performance in competitive male team-sport athletes. J Strength Cond Res. 2004 May;18(2):272-5.
8. Rawson, E.S., et al. 1999. Effects of 30 days of creatine ingestion in older men. European Journal of Applied Physiology 80: 139-144.
9. Sosin D.M., Sniezek J.E., Thurman D.J.. Incidence of mild and moderate brain injury in the United States, 1991. Brain Inj 1996 Jan;10(1):47-54.
By: Clayton South
What is Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL and where does it come from?
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.
What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?
Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass1,2,3,4, muscle strength5,6 and athletic performance.7,8
However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.
Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."
Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?
Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?
All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:
Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids
When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.
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1. VPX CEX
2. ALRI Cr2
3. ThermoLife CrE2
4. German American Technologies C4
5. Nutrabolics CrE2bolic
When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.
Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.
Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterification of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.
Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterification of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.
This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!
Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate. Many multiple sclerosis patients are classified as creatine non-responders, but with the improved absorption seen with CEE this may not be the case.
Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?
Much controversy has been generated over creatine ethyl ester. Companies and individuals with a financial interest in promoting creatine monohydrate products have attempted to discredit creatine ethyl ester. Some companies have even gone so far as to commission laboratory reports that show that creatine ethyl ester is not real.
Included with this page is one such report, and also included are two COA's - certificates of analysis - proving that creatine ethyl ester is real. These are included so that you, the consumer, can make up your own mind - so that you can base your choices upon the power of information.
The one report that states that creatine ethyl ester is fake was commissioned by an industry company with an interest in discrediting creatine ethyl ester. The two certificates of analysis included show that CEE is real and was done on raw source product and conducted by people with no financial interest in the promotion of creatine ethyl ester.
The esterification of creatine is chemically possible and not hard to conceive. Those who claim that CEE is fake are denying obvious science and are cheating the consumer.
To view these reports click here!
How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?
Strictly adhere to label recommendations.
No side effects have been reported in scientific literature.
REFERENCES
1. Racette SB. Creatine supplementation and athletic performance. J Orthop Sports Phys Ther. 2003 Oct;33(10):615-21.
2. Kreider, R.B., 1999. Dietary supplements and the promotion of muscle growth with resistance exercise. Sports Medicine 27:97-110.
3. Becque, M.D., et al. 2000. Effects of oral creatine supplementation on muscular strength and body composition. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 32: 654-658.
4. Ingwal JS, Weiner CD, Morales MF, Davis E, Stockdale FE: Specificity of creatine in the control of muscle protein synthesis. J Cell Biol 63:145-151, 1974.
5. Rawson ES, Volek JS. Effects of creatine supplementation and resistance training on muscle strength and weightlifting performance. J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Nov;17(4):822-31.
6. Kambis KW, Pizzedaz SK. Short-term creatine supplementation improves maximum quadriceps contraction in women. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Mar;13(1):87-96.
7. Gill ND, Hall RD, Blazevich AJ. Creatine serum is not as effective as creatine powder for improving cycle sprint performance in competitive male team-sport athletes. J Strength Cond Res. 2004 May;18(2):272-5.
8. Rawson, E.S., et al. 1999. Effects of 30 days of creatine ingestion in older men. European Journal of Applied Physiology 80: 139-144.
9. Sosin D.M., Sniezek J.E., Thurman D.J.. Incidence of mild and moderate brain injury in the United States, 1991. Brain Inj 1996 Jan;10(1):47-54.
By: Clayton South
All I am going to say about anabolicfitness.net is that everything I have ever gotten from them, from T-REX to yohimburn, just plain works. you may be able to get it cheaper but who knows WTF.. your really getting.
As for Pure CEE, there are quite a few guys in my gym that just wont take any ASS or other fat burning or performance enhancers, unless legal. From what I heard from them on CEE is, it is a night and day difference from micronized or effervecent creatine. These guys are the perfect test subjects as they are in top natural shape, take no AAS, GH, clen or T3 and they are breaking thru Plateau's.
Is it a true replacement for AAS---> Probably not. Is it another mechanism to get stronger, faster and bigger---> yes.
Question for macrophage69alpha: will a person benifit more/less/same on or off cycle using cee?
As for Pure CEE, there are quite a few guys in my gym that just wont take any ASS or other fat burning or performance enhancers, unless legal. From what I heard from them on CEE is, it is a night and day difference from micronized or effervecent creatine. These guys are the perfect test subjects as they are in top natural shape, take no AAS, GH, clen or T3 and they are breaking thru Plateau's.
Is it a true replacement for AAS---> Probably not. Is it another mechanism to get stronger, faster and bigger---> yes.
Question for macrophage69alpha: will a person benifit more/less/same on or off cycle using cee?
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baby DBOL said:
Huck had some great info about how effective creatine is on cycle.
baby DBOL said:
I agree with you on this. I have gave up trying to save a few bucks on a product where you never know how pure it is. I am bitter sometimes when I pay the prices for their supps (I have to get a lot from their Canadian remailer who jacks up the price), but I am definatley not bitter when I use the prods. Love hate relationship.
Utler or macro, can one of you guys show what a proper dosing schedule for this stuff is? I did not know its to be taken before a workout. I have always taken creatine in the past postworkout.
Would you suggest taking something like 4 caps 1hr before training or somethng like that? Also, should this be taking with hi GI carbs as well for better absorbtion? Any chance this stuff upsets the stomach or no?
Mavy
macrophage69alpha
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djufo said:
yes.
the main issue with creatine monohydrate has been uptake and metabolites, both issues, based on research and anecdotal reports, are ameliorated with CEE.
RussianRocket
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I always thought the main issue with non-responders was insulin resistance. My thought? R-ALA + CEE = guaranteed to work.
bicepts101
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why isnt there more info on it at the store?
im not gonna buy something that says...hey im better that that other kind...come on there is like no info...
im not gonna buy something that says...hey im better that that other kind...come on there is like no info...
macrophage69alpha
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Mavy said:
it can be taken before or after (or both.. or even spread throughout the day) (this is a matter of preference) before will tend to yield greater "pumps" after will tend to increase post workout cellular hydration. though differences will be minimal after a couple days of dosing as tissue levels rise.
before workout with simple carbs (if a single dose) is probably prefferable for most (insulin while not absolutely necessary does improve uptake).
should not cause stomach upset (on the very unlikely chance that it does for a few- spilting doisng is advisable.
macrophage69alpha
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RussianRocket said:
actually main issue is metabolism, for no responders excretion rate or metabolic by products --particularly creatnine--(this is more sub q "bloaters) are the two main issues. Given the nature of CEE this should be eliminated in those that were previous non responders. ie. Research shows almost zero creatnine metabolite with CEE. ie2. esterfication leads to later cleavage and uptake- as well better more stable solubility which== less excretion as well as degradation (two big monohydrate issues)
macrophage69alpha
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slyder190 said:
4 caps is the upper end dosage per day.
because individual response varies- different dosing patterns are (as noted above) not only suggested but encouraged... while uptake has been explored clinically- response has not to the same extent- mixing up dosing and scheduling provides new information.
those with greater mass will likely require high end dosing, perhaps even over 4 caps per day.
HollywoodSwole
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How does this compare to what is used in VolumeDNA, aside from the glutamine and ALA?
HollywoodSwole
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Ulter said:
So since I already use Glucorell and EnerG should I just use this form of creatine?
vezpolo
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I dont think the price is all that bad, compared to some of the shit ive bought in the past. as long as it works then, i dont give a f*%k . i remember reading about creatine when it first became a supplement and wanting to buy a little bottle for 75 bucks, at the time i was just a college student and i could only dream about 75 bucks at the time! anyways i cant wait to get my hands on this stuff!
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keep in mind one bottle will last you 48 days
macrophage69alpha
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The Greatest said:
at 5 caps per day (over the reccomended 2-4 caps)
instant.muscle
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would it b better 2 take this whle on or off cycle, i'm on dbol so creatine and dbol might b a lil muchf or my liver, i'm 190 pounds, how many caps would i take?
SlimJim300
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Macro, after the CEE goes into the cell, how does the body remove the ethyl ester?
BobbyBIGGS
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Ulter said:
Just wondering how much shipping is to Canada for a bottle of the Pure CEE?
BobbyBIGGS
bicepts101
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more info on the product at hand....
Macro is the one who should answer these but he's moving so he's not reading the board. I don't mind answering but most of these were already answered in other posts on this thread.
No you will not hold water like regular creatine. That's one of the big pluses of using an ethyl ester.
It has no effect on the liver.
No you will not hold water like regular creatine. That's one of the big pluses of using an ethyl ester.
It has no effect on the liver.
dicreatine malate has malic acid on to it this provides energy for the Krebs cycle
you feel a definate jolt form Volume DNA
the n-acetyl-glutamine provides a spike in glutamine level which is good at keeping you anti catabolic
the ala enhances the absorption even more of the creatine, and also provides antioxidant benfits during exercise..........
if you think your confused now just wait till down the road
their is going to be some cross over and thats OK
part of the market
you feel a definate jolt form Volume DNA
the n-acetyl-glutamine provides a spike in glutamine level which is good at keeping you anti catabolic
the ala enhances the absorption even more of the creatine, and also provides antioxidant benfits during exercise..........
if you think your confused now just wait till down the road
their is going to be some cross over and thats OK
part of the market
OMEGA said:dicreatine malate has malic acid on to it this provides energy for the Krebs cycle
you feel a definate jolt form Volume DNA
the n-acetyl-glutamine provides a spike in glutamine level which is good at keeping you anti catabolic
the ala enhances the absorption even more of the creatine, and also provides antioxidant benfits during exercise..........
if you think your confused now just wait till down the road
their is going to be some cross over and thats OK
part of the market
Didnt you mention that including the ALA in your product was a mistake? Or was it a mistake to simply not make it r-ALA?
75th said:
not a mistake persay many other do so
but past a couple of month it will degrade
thus it will be removed
we made it fresh so its fine for some time
its going to work well now
they did the tests using it the way we do in studies
shelf life in the long term is different though
Sweet well mine will be here tommarrow so I should blow up like nitro! In all seriousness..how long should I use it before I notice something...I know there is no magic number of days but an educated guess is good enough for me because I never really respond to creatine so this will help figure out if I am benefiting or not.Ulter said:
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The best way to use these products would be
Volume DNA pre workout
CEE plus the special 97 percent pure AF protien and energyG post workout
Volume DNA pre workout
CEE plus the special 97 percent pure AF protien and energyG post workout
macrophage69alpha
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there should be noticable effects in the first week, if not dosing may be too low.
macrophage69alpha
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Whacked said:
w/o days is ok.. however IMO.. ED is preferable
macrophage69alpha
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chaquito said:
should be available mid to end of this week.. likely dec 8 or 9th..
macrophage69alpha
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SanFrancisco
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I'm trying it.
macrophage69alpha
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I was going to post a little log of how I was doing on it but winny caused me to pull a tendon so I had to shut it down until Christmas. The CEE was doing great too, I'm not happy. Maybe we'll get some feedback from others who are using it.
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i'm taking cee and volume dna.. first supplements i've ever taken.. been working out for about a year.. volume dna gives you a great workout taken beforehand.. working out like a god damn workhorse and more focused than ever.. haven't really seen any effect of the cee yet.. however only been taking the supplements for a week.. can't wait till i get on the magic sauce in due time..
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