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Vets: Anyone Figure Out How To Keep HDL High With VAR?
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geoboy
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Gel2 said:
Have you actually used this successfully during a VAR cycle? any bloodwork that confirmed its usefullness?
I have read many theory posts re policosanol (fonz etc) but all the experience anecdotal posts say it doesnt save you during a cycle. its only helpful afterwards.
I would love to hear otherwise
JP@Ironology
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Niaspan looks promising because it is time released.
I have not tried the product though.
http://www.niaspan.com/niaspan.asp?page=0&sec=0&from=0
I have not tried the product though.
http://www.niaspan.com/niaspan.asp?page=0&sec=0&from=0
Below was what I posted about 6 months ago:
40mg Policosanol and 100mg Coenzyme Q10 gave me the results below, they are in UK units so multiply the totals by 18 to get the US figures, or check the last figures for a quick conversion....
19/12/2003 Baseline figures, no policosanol
Total 5.7 mmol/L
HDL 0.91 mmol/L
LDL 4.4 mmol/L
Hdl Ratio 6.26 mmol/L
Triglycerides 0.8 mmol/L
12/02/2004 Policosanol 20mg ED
Total 5.6 mmol/L
HDL 1.06 mmol/L
LDL 4.1 mmol/L
Hdl Ratio 5.28 mmol/L
Tri 1 mmol/L
27/04/2004 Upped to 40mg ED
Total 5.3 mmol/L
HDL 1.77 mmol/L
LDL 3.53 mmol/L
Hdl Ratio 3 mmol/L
Tri 1.1 mmol/L
02/09/2004 Still at 40mg
Total 3.9 mmol/L ------------- 150.82 US figures
HDL 1.18 mmol/L ------------- 68.45
LDL 2.72 mmol/L ------------- 136.51
Hdl Ratio 3.3 mmol/L 59.4
Tri 1 mmol/L 18
So whereas anywhere below 200 is considered normal mine is 150.82 ...not damn bad at all. I wasn't on anything when I had these tests done BTW.
As with most cholesterol meds they take a while to work fully, up to six months, so don't think you can shoot 1g of test and take these to fix all.
Take the Q10, static type drugs lower Q10 stores.
If you get Policosanol get the plain pure stuff manufactured by 'Pure Encapsulations' and not 'source naturals'.
40mg Policosanol and 100mg Coenzyme Q10 gave me the results below, they are in UK units so multiply the totals by 18 to get the US figures, or check the last figures for a quick conversion....
19/12/2003 Baseline figures, no policosanol
Total 5.7 mmol/L
HDL 0.91 mmol/L
LDL 4.4 mmol/L
Hdl Ratio 6.26 mmol/L
Triglycerides 0.8 mmol/L
12/02/2004 Policosanol 20mg ED
Total 5.6 mmol/L
HDL 1.06 mmol/L
LDL 4.1 mmol/L
Hdl Ratio 5.28 mmol/L
Tri 1 mmol/L
27/04/2004 Upped to 40mg ED
Total 5.3 mmol/L
HDL 1.77 mmol/L
LDL 3.53 mmol/L
Hdl Ratio 3 mmol/L
Tri 1.1 mmol/L
02/09/2004 Still at 40mg
Total 3.9 mmol/L ------------- 150.82 US figures
HDL 1.18 mmol/L ------------- 68.45
LDL 2.72 mmol/L ------------- 136.51
Hdl Ratio 3.3 mmol/L 59.4
Tri 1 mmol/L 18
So whereas anywhere below 200 is considered normal mine is 150.82 ...not damn bad at all. I wasn't on anything when I had these tests done BTW.
As with most cholesterol meds they take a while to work fully, up to six months, so don't think you can shoot 1g of test and take these to fix all.
Take the Q10, static type drugs lower Q10 stores.
If you get Policosanol get the plain pure stuff manufactured by 'Pure Encapsulations' and not 'source naturals'.
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I want to point out though that I don't have test results for during cycles though.
Its quite safe to say though that taking most AAS will screw your lipid profile.
Even if you took cholesterol meds the result would still be affected by the AAS until you come off but I would hazard a guess that the lipid profile is going to be a lot better because you took them.
Before I took steroids my cholesterol was very high, I didn't learn about this stuff until my first cycle was long gone so my levels must of been really stupidly high due to 1g of test lol.
Looking back though if I had never taken roids I would of never learnt about how to deal with cholesterol and now I take the stuff all the time and my cholesterol stays below the 200 mark rather than being above the 300 mark which has to be a good thing in the long term.
Also make sure you notice that the biggest difference wasn't the total cholesterol but the good/bad ratio.
Its quite safe to say though that taking most AAS will screw your lipid profile.
Even if you took cholesterol meds the result would still be affected by the AAS until you come off but I would hazard a guess that the lipid profile is going to be a lot better because you took them.
Before I took steroids my cholesterol was very high, I didn't learn about this stuff until my first cycle was long gone so my levels must of been really stupidly high due to 1g of test lol.
Looking back though if I had never taken roids I would of never learnt about how to deal with cholesterol and now I take the stuff all the time and my cholesterol stays below the 200 mark rather than being above the 300 mark which has to be a good thing in the long term.
Also make sure you notice that the biggest difference wasn't the total cholesterol but the good/bad ratio.
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CLOMIDCLOWN
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niaspan is great, it should lower ldl and up you ldl by around 5-10 points.
take it at night to avoid flushing (even though this shouldnt happen anyway with this brand)
Niaspan is niacin made on formulary (available through perscription through your doctor).
Hope this helps!
take it at night to avoid flushing (even though this shouldnt happen anyway with this brand)
Niaspan is niacin made on formulary (available through perscription through your doctor).
Hope this helps!
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