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Loving my BD var!

JoBu

JoBu

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7 days on BD var as of today. These are the older 5mg orange BD tabs...I've had them waiting for me for months :D I'm doing 30mg/day split 10mg every 8 hours with 1/2 a fresh grapefruit. I'm also taking ~15g creatine/day from V12 and plain creatine monohydrate. I'm training for triathlons so i actually only lift 2x per week but I also swim ~1000-1500m twice, run 6-12 miles twice, and bike 18-25 miles twice a week...~8 workouts each week total. I started at 174lbs last Monday and was ~180 today. I've tried creatine several times before and never got much of anything. I don't feel or look bloated at all so I'm not thinking I have too much water retention from the creatine either. I had a great workout in the gym today...althoug relatively short. First time I've ever felt a real pump in my chest from benching.

I made a few basic chages to my standard diet. I added 1 cup whole oats to my morning 50g prot shake, added a can of tuna betwen breakfast and lunch (I already had 2 snacks...fruits and nuts...between breakfast and lunch), and added 1 cup of brown rice to dinner which is typically a large chicked breast, some type of steamed veggies, and a big spinach salad. I take one serving of v12 with breakfast and one during my workout.

I'll update the thread each week for the 6 weeks I'll be on.
 
you are 1 active mofo! make sure you get plenty of rest.diet looks right on too, sounds like you are gonna be good to go!Good luck :beer:
 
Tell me about it...The Saturday morning 12 mile runs are a b*tch...I also have a 1/2 marathon coming up in Sept so I need the longer run. Depending on how things go over the nex 2-3 weeks I might change things up a little and cut my calories and add clen to the end of the var cycle to really rip up. I was only looking to get 5-8lbs of solid lean mass out of this when all was said and done.
 
strength is fleeting. update us on lean mass gained & maintained on the var.

i was using 40mg a day papervar (plus 150 mg test ew) as a quasi-bridge or cruise off a cycle, and it seemed like i gained more solid mass on that than the cycle.
 
triathlons are fucking killer man. My cousin runs marathons in New York or wherever they may be. He also does triathlons.

I think the running would be hardest for me, because I used to swim.

If you can even finish a triathlon, much less the IronMan, you deserve an award.
 
I just started tris this summer but I've been a runner for 15 years. Just doing sprint distance this season (1km swim, 20km bike, 5km run). Next year I'll mix in some olympic distance (about 2x the sprint distance). My goal is to finish an IronMan in 5 years. The swimming kills me because I sink like an F-ing rock :D

Clean said:
triathlons are fucking killer man. My cousin runs marathons in New York or wherever they may be. He also does triathlons.

I think the running would be hardest for me, because I used to swim.

If you can even finish a triathlon, much less the IronMan, you deserve an award.
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Probably Nolva. I've got a little pre-existing gyno that I want to zap so I might start nolva at week 4 (60mg/day and run it 3 weeks past the end of the var. I also have plenty of clomid and HCG but I'll likely go with nolva to try and kill 2 birds with one stone. Probably pick up some Unleashed too.

PRoXoNEtAPiMpbitch said:
hey what r you planning to do for pct?
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androjunkie said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, var is unparalleled for strength gains IMO, and I love your avatar.
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no doubt! i get much more strength from var then test anyday!
 
2-week update 8/23

Seems my initial weight gain was some sort of temporary thing. 3 days after my initial post I was sitting around 176lbs...only up about 2lbs total. I eat a very consistent diet and always drink about the same amount every day so I can't logically explain the 6lb jump after week 1. Maybe it was some temporary water weight as a result of the creatine that I had started along with the var? Anyway, as of today (15 days in) I'm 178lbs. Thi is more what I expected...a couple pounds each week. My strength seems to be up also...got 10 reps @ 95lbs military press today...I've never been able to get more then 5-6 before. Interestingly, my pull-ups are weaker at only 8-10 reps per set...but I haven't been doing them consistently since 6 weeks ago.
 
Update 8/27

19 days in and I'm up to ~182 as of today. Strength is going up nicely too...best benching day I've ever had...more weight and more reps. I'm also starting to notice that my chest and shoulders seem more dense and are harder when flexed overall. Keep in mind that I'm only lifting 2x per week and basically stick with chest, back, shoulder, and ab work. I rarely do specific arm work and haven't done squats or deads in a couple months since I'm training for races and triathlons...my legs get plenty of work when i run and bike.
 
One interesting thing I've noticed...even though I'm up 8-10lbs, my pants fit exactly the same as they did 3 weeks ago. I wear a 32" pant and my favorite work pants fit perfectly in the waist...the slightest change in my waist size and it would be obvious. I'm taking this to suggest that my gains are virtually 100% lean and I'm not holding extra water from the creatine.
 
Not sure, but I assume it would still result in an increase in my waistline. Also, I've used creatine several times before and never saw ANY increase in weight from it which is another reason I'm thinking this is good lean gains.

dr0832 said:
Isn't water gain from creatine intramuscular?
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9/2

Sitting at about 183lbs...but I've also been hitting cardio workouts hard as I prep for a 1/2 marathon on 9/5 and a triathlon on 9/18 so who knows what my body composition is doing. I feel strong and recover quickly from workouts though. Diet isn't perfect...I tend to have a few cookies or small bowl of ice cream in the evening and maybe some chips and a few beers here and there. It's nealthy for the most part but 'm sure I could be eating more overall...especially on the weekends. I tend to have a much more strict eating schedule during the week when I'm sitting at a desk all day.
 
9/6

Ran a 1/2 marathon yesterday...1:41'42"...so it's tough to put today into perspective. Up to 185lbs but I ate everything in sight yesterday after the race including pizza, burgers, beers, chips, and Oreos. Hit the gym to get some upper body work but my shoulders and back were sore from the run so everything felt shitty in general...worked back, chest, and abs...and did some specific bi/tri work for the first time in months, just cause they were about the only muscles not sore from the race :D Planning to hit the gym for a good lift on Friday after my body recovers from the punishment.
 
good luck with it bro. good stuff. i know.
 
I didn't like BD var. Used 50mg/day and didn't see shit in terms of strength or recovery.
I'll probably get raw var powder and do 200mg/day considering the shit is probably cut worse than cheap coke.
 
Can't imagine that. I'm only on 30mg/day and am up over 10lbs in 4 weeks with quick recovery from tough workouts. Did you take lots of creatine with it? Ever done any other var before?

chaos mage said:
I didn't like BD var. Used 50mg/day and didn't see shit in terms of strength or recovery.
I'll probably get raw var powder and do 200mg/day considering the shit is probably cut worse than cheap coke.
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JoBu said:
Can't imagine that. I'm only on 30mg/day and am up over 10lbs in 4 weeks with quick recovery from tough workouts. Did you take lots of creatine with it? Ever done any other var before?
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that could simply be the creatine, not the var.
 
Liquid- Yes, only BD 30mg var (the older 5mg tabs) each day along with 2 servings of V12 Turbo...one in the morning and one during my workout. I also take most doses with 1/2 a grapefruit for what it's worth...can't hurt.

Chaos- I've tried creatine several times for about 4 weeks each time (regular micronized twice and Swole V2 once) and got nothing off of them...no strength and no weight gain...so I'm under the impression that if anything it's the synergistic effect of the creatine with the var. I can't believe it's the creatine alone based on my past experience. I should also note that this is only my 2nd cycle ever. First was about 16 months ago...sust and tren with a little winny at the end. never done any orals.
 
Update 9/15 - It's my BIRTHDAY!

Happy Birthday to me...30 today...I'm celebrating with a new AVATAR :D

Well, I've got 5 days left on my cycle and overall I'd say I got what I expected. Hit the gym last night and weighed in at 186lbs so I'm up ~12 for the cycle (~2lbs per week is what I was hoping for). Good lift last night although I haven't noticed a significant increase in strength since week 2. I'm getting ready for PCT...got 150 tabs of nolva in last week and ordered Unleashed and Post-Cycle over the weekend. I'll probably cycle some clen along with the PCT...I've noticed a slight increase in waist size the last week or so. I was probably 9-10% BF when I started and maybe added another 1-2% in the last 6 weeks. I've had a difficult time getting rid of the fat I have covering my abs...but I haven't really given the effort 100% either.
 
End of cycle 9/20

Well, I took my last 10mg dose this morning and start PCT tomorrow. Just got my Unleashed and Post-Cycle in the mail today and have plenty of nolva. Another very good workout in the gym today. Added several reps to my bench. I weighed in at 185 but I raced a triathlon yesterday and really didn't eat nearly my normal daily intake so I'm probably down 1-2lbs as a result. I'll be back in the gym Wed and axpect to be about 186-187lbs. So it looks like about 12lbs gain over the 6 weeks. Now we just need to see how much I can keep. I'll definitely do a var only cycle again next spring/summer...probably bump to 35-40mg. I'll report back each week or so through my PCT with any strength/mass loss.

JoBu
 
Seems like my gains have leveled off in the last week or so...althoug I still made gains in the gym today. If I had the extra gear i would have run another 2 weeks for the hell of it...but this shit isn't cheap :D Also remember that building mass wasn't my only goal in the last 6 weeks. I only lifted 2x each week and focused on chest, back and shoulders...no squats (or any legs) or deads. All my leg work came from runs 5-12 miles) and rides 15-30 miles. If I were going 100% for mass and strength i probably could have put on 15-18lbs without changing the cycle.
 
excellent work bro! i also have amazing results on var....and 30 mg's a day is pleanty imo...at 25 for me i kept 20 + lbs after my first cycle ever (var only) that guy who wants to do 200 mg's a day shouldnt even mess with var then imo......everyone gets different results from different gear.
 
I am on 40mgs/ day now and really not impressed at all. This is the first, and probably last time I will ever use var. I have been on for about 5 weeks (didnt workout for 1.5 weeks becuase of the hurricane) and I am only up about 4-5 pounds, and my strength is up slightly, but nothing too impressive. I look about the same, slightly better pumps when i workout. Absolutely no increased recovery....
 
hey keep updates,i am a moutain/road bike racer looking for some advise.sounds like your on track for me,what do you think for a cycle just anavar?
thanks
 
Guvna said:
I am on 40mgs/ day now and really not impressed at all. This is the first, and probably last time I will ever use var. I have been on for about 5 weeks (didnt workout for 1.5 weeks becuase of the hurricane) and I am only up about 4-5 pounds, and my strength is up slightly, but nothing too impressive. I look about the same, slightly better pumps when i workout. Absolutely no increased recovery....
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What kind of var guv? I assume you are keeping protein high and maybe using some creatine as well? Damn I hope thats not the kinda result I see if I am going to wreck my lipid profile.
 
jcam222 said:
What kind of var guv? I assume you are keeping protein high and maybe using some creatine as well? Damn I hope thats not the kinda result I see if I am going to wreck my lipid profile.
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powder from a j** l* remailer on vipbb.
yes, 10 grams of creatine a day, along with a minimum of 300 grams of protein a day.
 
Do you normally respond wellto creatine? I never got anything off creatine alone when I tried it in the past. I decided to go with V12 and took 2 doses per day with an extra 5g of regular creatine mono for kicks. I can't say what really was responsible for my gains...all I know is that the combination of var and creatine I used gave me ~14lbs in 6 weeks without eating my face off or lifting more then 2x per week.

Guvna said:
powder from a j** l* remailer on vipbb.
yes, 10 grams of creatine a day, along with a minimum of 300 grams of protein a day.
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JoBu said:
Do you normally respond wellto creatine? I never got anything off creatine alone when I tried it in the past. I decided to go with V12 and took 2 doses per day with an extra 5g of regular creatine mono for kicks. I can't say what really was responsible for my gains...all I know is that the combination of var and creatine I used gave me ~14lbs in 6 weeks without eating my face off or lifting more then 2x per week.
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nope, creatine really never did shit for me on its own...
 
I see you're already 5 weeks in. If you had 2-3 weeks left I'd suggest picking up a tub of V12 immediately and taking 2-3 doses per day for the rest of your cycle. Might not do anything but it's worth a try.
 
9/22 - 3 days post-cycle

So I'm 3 days post cycle and I was back in the gym today. I only hit 182 on the scale today...I was expecting 185ish. I know I can't be losing lean mass already. I have two possible solutions I can think of...1) I went off the creatine on Sunday when i finished the cycle so maybe I'm just dropping a little water weight 2) I've been taking my last 15 Xenedrine RFA-1 tabs (I loved that stuff) 3 per day since Sunday...perhaps that's doing it. I completely expect to drop 3-5 lbs in the next few weeks since I'm now trying to cut a little BF during PCT. My lifts were up again however...added 10lbs and 2 reps to my military press over what I did 2 weeks ago. I'm waiting to feel the Post-Cycle and Unleashed kick in and I've kept my diet the same except for dropping the oats from my morning shake.
 
gotta ask? why are you even bothering with expensive var if you are trying to gain mass while doing insane amounts of cardio, particularly marathons? sounds like a big old waste of money.
 
Like I've said...simply gaining mass wasn't my main purpose and at 30mg/day for 6 weeks i wouldn't consider this an expensive cycle really. I set out to get lean, strong, and hopefully come out of it with 5-8lbs of lean mass after cutting back down. Looks like that's exactly what I'll get. I liked var and will most likely use it next summer. I really have no desire to be much over 180lbs...I couldn't be a competitive triathlete carrying that weight around at 5'9". I'm already 10-15lbs heavier then most other guys my height in my age group.

glennds said:
gotta ask? why are you even bothering with expensive var if you are trying to gain mass while doing insane amounts of cardio, particularly marathons? sounds like a big old waste of money.
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i took var and felt exactly the same. don't be looking for a false "sense of well being" from any AAS. a sense of well being comes from within.
 
I felt nothing different from ordinary life aside from being a little more motivated when I worked out...but that was just because I wanted to make the most of the cycle.
 
10/12 - 3+ weeks post cycle

So I'm over 3 weeks post cycle. Took Post Cycle and Unleashed as directed on the bottle along with 60mg nolva ED. I plan on keeping the Nolva going for another 3-5 weeks. I felt nothing from the herbals although I can't say they didn't help my recovery...I just didn't feel any different...same relatively low sex drive I've had for over a year now.

I weighed in at 182 today...about the same as 3 days post cycle so I guess you could say I'm holding my gains well overall. I've lost 1/4-1/2" in my waist in the last couple weeks. My strength seems to be good. My bench was down a couple reps from my best ever 3 weeks ago but other things seem to still be going up...like my military press last week added 5lbs and 2 reps. I haven't been eating big or lifting particularly hard the last couple weeks...cut out my oats and brown rice and still just lifting 2x per week along with the running/biking/swimming. I'll report back again in a couple more weeks with the final verdict but as of now I'm satisfied with what I got out of the cycle. I hope the BD winny I have will make as good a cycle (along with some sust).
 
Last update - 6 weeks post-cycle

I almost 6 weeks post cycle. Been keeping the nolva @ 60mg/day but I'm starting to forget to take it now and then and I think 6 weeks is enough so I'll probably drop it this week and call my PCT done. Weighed in at 180 today. I cut my calories and cut back significantly on carbs over the past month so I was expecting a little weight loss anyway. I'd say I kept 90% of my lean gains and strength. I lost a few lbs soon after ending the cycle but I think that was mostly water (from creatine) and a little fat (my waist size went down a little. Considering how simple the cycle was and how little I actually lifted (2x per week) I'd say I'm copletely satisfied. I will definitely do var in the future...maybe a slightly higher dose or maybe stacked with something like EQ.
 
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