Ideal First Cycle??

A friend and i were discussing creating the perfect first cycle for someone who has reached their genetic plateau. This will be a bulk cycle trying to avoid orals "unless everyone overwhelmingly recommends them" while keeping bodyfat levels in some sort of check so they don't get totally out of hand.

I was thinking a cycle of 500 mg test a week, possibly adding in some tren 75mg eod. For running an 8 week cycle with all the added accessory drugs "novla, clomid" does anyone think this is a pretty solid outlook for a first cycle???

Why no orals I think the test with dbol would be a great first cycle.

SupraHero said:

A friend and i were discussing creating the perfect first cycle for someone who has reached their genetic plateau. This will be a bulk cycle trying to avoid orals "unless everyone overwhelmingly recommends them" while keeping bodyfat levels in some sort of check so they don't get totally out of hand.

I was thinking a cycle of 500 mg test a week, possibly adding in some tren 75mg eod. For running an 8 week cycle with all the added accessory drugs "novla, clomid" does anyone think this is a pretty solid outlook for a first cycle???

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No tren for a first cycle ...keep it simple, and see how you respond to test.

I was amazed with the results I got from my first cycle of Deca combined with Dbol. If I knew then what I know now, I would mix an amp of sustanon250/ test E. biweekly with my shots of deca(deca dick) Also taking Noveldex 10-40mg ed and arimidex/Liquidex.

Depending on your diet, devotion and tolerance that may or may not be a little too much. You should go easy with the dbol, cycle up from 1(5mg) pill up to 6(30mg) depending on what your bodies telling you. A good friend once told me "if you want to have to walk sideways through a doorway try a cycle of dbol and deca."

Good luck

RADAR said:

No tren for a first cycle ...keep it simple, and see how you respond to test.

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I totally agree with Radar, should always keep first cycles nice and simple! Test will come first everytime for a first cycle as it is an effective bulking AS. Well done Radar! k coming your way once I've spread more karma.

Mini Viper said:

I totally agree with Radar, should always keep first cycles nice and simple! Test will come first everytime for a first cycle as it is an effective bulking AS. Well done Radar! k coming your way once I've spread more karma.

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So you guys would agree that 500 mg of test/wk for 8 weeks will be a reasonable 1st time cycle?

That was my first. 500mg enanthate / 8 weeks and it was a great.

Sust250, 250 - 500mg EW for 8 weeks; maybe add dbol @ 30mg for 4 weeks. Even though sust @ 250mg is a low dose, with each injection the test levels rise, because the last dose is not completely out of your system. So each week your levels rise until you come off. Contrary to popular belief you can grow on sust250 @ only 250mg a week, especially if you stack with 30-40mg of dbol ED for 4weeks. Diet & training is the most important thing, regardless what cycle it is for you.Dont over do it, that is all.

(dont be taking advice meant for Coleman or Cutler unless you are Coleman or Cutler)

nice and simple:

wks 1-10 test E 500mgs/wk
20mg Nolva daily
l-dex on hand in case you are very gyno prone and dont know it yet

start PCT 2 weeks after last Shot of test

i suppose yuou could kickstart with some test prop for the first few weeks (but EOD injectsions may not be for you) or some DBol @ 30mgs/day for weeks 1-3 or 1-4

A combination of 500 mgs Testosterone per week, 6.25 mgs Aromasin EOD and .5 mg Finasteride ED for a total of 8 weeks should provide you optimal Anabolic/Androgenic effects while minimizing Estrogen and DHT related sides.

Aromasin will prevent estrogen associated side effects such as gynecomastia and water retention by deactivating the P450 Aromatase resposible for the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen. Also, Aromasin has minimal to zero impact on your lipid profile and IGF-1 levels. Arimidex would be your second option due to it's price but it should be known that it does surpress IGF-1 levels. Nolvadex should be your last option due to the fact that it can severely surpress IGF-1 levels which inhibits gains, especially on a test cycle. Nolvadex is best suited to treat a pre-exhisting case of gynecomastia. It has no impact on circulating Estrogen levels.

Finasteride prevents the metabolism of DHT via the 5AR. This will minimize DHT related side effects such as hair loss and acne. Also, it will keep the prostate healthy. A dosage of .5 mg ED should be sufficient without affecting libido and strength on a 500 mg Testosterone cycle.

One thing that many people overlook is the impact that Testosteron has on lipolysis. Testosterone affects fat loss in one of two ways. Just like a car, your fat cells have a series of brakes and accelerators. The parts of a fat cell that accelerate the release of fat are called beta receptors. The parts of a fat cell that put the brakes on fat loss are known as alpha receptors.

The distribution of brakes and accelerators on each fat cell is one reason why certain parts of your body shed fat faster than others. Women, for example, often have a hard time losing fat from their hips. That's because the fat cells in that area have a higher ratio of alpha to beta receptors.

If a fat cell has more beta receptors, it will release stored fat more quickly than one with fewer beta receptors. That's where testosterone appears to help. By increasing the number of beta receptors, testosterone makes it easier to lose stored fat.

Best of luck.

Jenetic