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Clean bulking on a tight budget made easy.

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It seems that a lot of people complain that they find eating a clean, low glycemic index diet to be expensive, so I’ve decided to do a little homework. I’ve selected a local HEB pantry food approximately 1 mile from my home as the only store used, in order to show that one need not even shop at 3 or 4 different stores each week. Using current prices, I’ve come up with a well balanced, diet that provides all the nutrients necessary for muscle growth, and has no deficiencies that cannot be filled for extremely active individuals with the intake of a single multi-vitamin/mineral pack. You will notice that my carb of choice is barley. It is by far the lowest glycemic index starchy carb. It beats brown rice, whole wheat and oatmeal hands down. What about sweet potatoes and yams? They are actually high glycemic index carbs, and I’m not certain how they acquired the reputation of being low GI by the bodybuilding community. In any event, cooking the barely is much like cooking brown rice, and the taste is very much like a mix of oatmeal and rice. I’ve also included fiber, sodium and potassium content, since these three things are often of concern to bodybuilders. Here is the diet

-2 dry cups of pearled barley: fat: 4, carb: 302, protein: 40, calories: 1404, fiber 62, sodium: 36 mg, potassium: 1120 mg

-One head of romaine lettuce (approximately 1 ibs): fat: 5, carb: 10, protein: 5, calories: 105, fiber: 5, sodium: 0mg, potassium: 750

-1.5 ibs of chuck steak (after trimming away excess fat): fat: 120, carb: 0, protein: 184, calories: 1816, fiber: 0, sodium: 408 mg, potassium: 1680 mg

-6 tbs flax seeds (added to barley during last 3-4 minutes of cooking, 6 tbs of seeds will provide the same amount of n-3 fats contained in 4 tbs of flax oil): fat: 60, carb 60, protein: 30, calories: 900 fiber: 36, sodium: 0 mg, potassium: 960 mg

-2 tbs of extra virgin olive oil (1 for the barley to reduce clumping, and 1 for your salid): fat: 28, calories: 252

Totals: fat: 217, carb: 372, protein: 259, calories: 4477, fiber 103, sodium: 444 mg, potassium: 4510 mg

Ok, so we have a diet that will yield an optimal testosterone level (important for natural bodybuilders, and some of you guys who are off cycle and in the middle of PCT), as well as reduced shbg levels by providing large amounts of saturated fat (its almost all sterilic acid, the most benign form of sat fat in this case), and n-3 fats. It has over 250 grams of protein (more than 90% of steroid using bodybuilders actually need), and provides close to 400 grams of carbs, that are lower GI than most consumed by the average bodybuilder. Also note that by adding the olive oil and flax seeds to the barley, the GI will actually be reduced even further. The diet even has an entire ibs of raw greens, which is actually a huge deficiency for American bodybuilders due to a poor early lifestyle that taught then not to eat greens, thus many assume that by simply eating one salad a day that their needs will be met. Also not that due to having no refined or processed foods, the diet has less than 500 mg of sodium, yet is very high in potassium (which has been shown to have anabolic properties in lab tests). In any event, let’s see what it costs. The barley is $0.79/ibs. We used less than ½ a ibs, but let’s just call it an even half, at $0.40. The lettuce was rather pricey at $1.29 for the entire head, but money well spent. The steak, was $2.49/ibs (on sale it’s less), so it comes to $3.74. The flax seeds are $0.79/ibs, and 6 tbs ends up costing less than a dime, but we’ll round up to $0.10. What about the olive oil? Well, bought in large $6 containers it may seem pricey, but only 2 tbs is worth less than a dime as well, but we will round it up also. The grand total comes to $5.63 per day $39.41 a week.
 
Pretty damn nice man. How would you divide this up into meals? A bit of each at every sitting?

Why do you say 250 grams of protein is more than 90% steroid using bodybuilders need? What's with a lot of people advocating 2x bodyweight in protein then?
 
tom, I usually advise about 10 meals a day for bulking, but this isn't a set diet, I was simply showing how easy and cheap this can be done. 2X bw in grams of protien is completely unecissary (its actually the same as just eating more carbs). I've been using 200-250 grams a day, and am now up to 225 at about 9% (5'9"), a solid 25 ibs of lbm gained in under a year.
 
add calcium + mag citrate to all that potassium and you have a great lactic acid buffering diet=greater endurance + stamina :)
 
jkurz, steel cut oats are fine, however, I selected barely duet to it being the lowest GI grain. Again, this is not a cookie cutter, one diet fits all that I was writing, I was simply showing how easy it can be to eat an extremely clean, and nutritious diet on a tight budget, since I know how many bros and gals on EF are on a budget, and I live in a college town where I hear from alot of people "its so expensive to eat clean..." or "I can't afford enough food to get to 200 ibs" etc. Steel cut oats are still a good choice, and personally I like the taste of them.
 
juve, I would have to agree that the diet laid out could use a bit more calcium. If you take a closer look though, its already very high in magnesium.
 
What adjustments would anyone make ? I may not feel full on this ? I would still like to use it as a lmass cutter...
 
Man...I think I'll give this a run. Chuck steak, huh? Wonder how cheap that shit is at Costco. And Barley? Does it go bad?

A lb. of lettuce a day is a bit much. Might suffice to use half of that, considering I don't eat veggies at all these days. Why is it so important, anyway? I mean, I know it is, but I never understood perfectly why.

Also, sorry to add on more stuff but...would this diet be healthy in general? I mean, other than the typical American diet, would it keep one in good health? Anything else that should be added for that, while maintaining a relatively cheap cost? It seems to have most of what someone would need. It seems ideal for bulking. It's clean, cheap, and easy.

If I were to use a multi-vit/min what kind would you recommend? I hear the bioavailability of Centrum is shit.
 
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tom, the green veggies provide alot of vitamins, minerals and photo nutrinets are are not in great abundance in other sources. If nutrition is proper even a poor mutli-vitamine helps. I use one source personally. Yes, this type of diet is very healthy, and quit balanced, although adding a bit of dairy or a calumim suppliment would be a good idea. Overall this type of diet would work well for someone who is in a high risk category for diabetes or heart problems due to their family history. Although many would debate the high fat intake on the later. Of course its very high in "good" fats.

The reason chuck steak was selected was due to the price, feel free to substitute another cut. And again this is just a rough outline as an example. Feel free to adjust fat, carb, protien and caloric intake to meet your personal needs.
 
Well, it seems like a pretty solid diet for me, so if I can run out to Costco soon, I'll check the prices and see what I come up with. I definitely won't have a pound of lettuce a day. Do you cook it or anything? Or just rinse and eat it?

Yeah, the only issue I would see would be the meat. Isn't there a widespread concern about red meat causing problems? Not that whole mad cow disease shit, but supposedly enough red beef over long periods can cause prostate cancer.

Oh, and also BBF, do you think your being enhanced would have anything to do with your needing so many calories? I don't know anyone who even has such a metabolism that they can eat 6000-7000 and stay thin when bulking. I don't see how a body can utilize all the nutrients.
 
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Also man, why do 43% of the cals come from fat? Isn't that too much? And only 23 from protein. The carb count seems steep too.

I weigh 180 or so, and am looking to add mass, obviously. So, do you think I should lower the cals a bit or no?
 
Sorry but also, BBF, where did you figure the steak adds up to that amount? Fitday shows steak (doesn't have different cuts) being 1358 cals, and 209 protein, 54.25 fat. That's for 24 oz. (or 1.5 lbs, like you listed). I did boneless, cooked, lean only eaten. You did say you trim away the fat. So what's the deal?
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Well, it seems like a pretty solid diet for me, so if I can run out to Costco soon, I'll check the prices and see what I come up with. I definitely won't have a pound of lettuce a day. Do you cook it or anything? Or just rinse and eat it?

Yeah, the only issue I would see would be the meat. Isn't there a widespread concern about red meat causing problems? Not that whole mad cow disease shit, but supposedly enough red beef over long periods can cause prostate cancer.

Oh, and also BBF, do you think your being enhanced would have anything to do with your needing so many calories? I don't know anyone who even has such a metabolism that they can eat 6000-7000 and stay thin when bulking. I don't see how a body can utilize all the nutrients.


The dangers of red meat are over-rated... they can be balanced by watching GI as well as yoru efa intake. Any correlation betweent red meat and prostate cancer would probably have something to do with red meat beign show to elevate testosterone levels, and elevated testosterone levels having a correlation with prostate cancer.

No, a natural individual should not consum these many calories.
 
Cool, thanks for getting those out of the way. Sorry to be a pain, but I'm still curious as to why so many fats exist. 43% of total cals.
 
Ok, sorry for the delay. I've been out of town for a couple of days. The fat was not intentinal. I think for most men 30% if probably ideal. One could reduce the olive oil intake, go with leaner cuts of steak on sale (chuch is a very fatty cut) which would have more protien and less fat. WHich would lower the fat and raise the protien. Personally I don't spend a great deal of time working on exact micronutrient ratios. There is an advantage to the higher fat intake though. Increasing fat intake has been shown to eleveate testosterone production as the intake got higher, up to 40-45%. You mentioned natural individuals. This is of great beenfit to them. Also, by increasing fat intake, one adds additional calories that have no glycemic index, thus not insulin response, and the more fat added to a meal the lower the glycemic index of the carbs in said meal. These two factors will make the diet less fattening to individuals attempting to eat a large amount of calories, yet limit gains in body fat.

I hope I made sense, I was talking to a girl until 2:30 am on the phone, then dozed off, got up and checked my EF messages (its 6 am here). If not, let me know and I'll address this again when I'm fully awake.
 
Haha understood it perfectly my man, thanks for the quick response. I've been on the phone 'til even later hours, gabbing about like a preteen. Don't worry, it's all good.

So, what would be a leaner cut that's rather cheap? Or, could I add some boneless and skinless chicken breast instead?

Also, what I noticed about the steak was that on CalorieKing, it gets close to your numbers, but only with 24 oz. of lean and fat steak (1/4" trim). Does this mean I have to eat the fatty part to get those nutrients? :worried:
 
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No, you can trim away the fat and replace it with olive oil or natty peanut butter. I do not find boneless skinless chicken brest to be high enough in saturated fat to yield optimal gains for non-enhanced atheletes. You guys need it in order to keep your testosterone levels elevated.

I have books to get my numbers from.
 
thanks, BBF
:kiss:
 
landser said:
2x bodyweight for protein? bah. Im eating 500-550g at 190lbs. ;)

I've done the 600 gram a day thing. It didn't yeild any faster gains than half that amount for me, in all honesty.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
I've done the 600 gram a day thing. It didn't yeild any faster gains than half that amount for me, in all honesty.

so basically, eat this meal once a day with a suppliment, and thats it?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
What? Are you out of your mind?


no, im sorry. what i meant was eat this meal, and this makes up for all of the calories, proteins, and such that are needed for gains...

in other words, what do you recommend eating along with this? i dont understand the topic of this thread. it says cheap diet, but its only one meal. please explain to me :) im a noob
 
No, you would break down this food into 10-12 meals. Its not uncommon for serious bodybuilders to eat the same food all day long. You do realize this is around 2 gallons of food. Most peopel couldn't eat in it one setting if they desired too. Its not beneficial to do this anyways.
 
ahh ok. well now it makes perfect sense. i didnt know that body builders eat the same meals all day long. sounds reasonable, and cheap. i just might try this diet. thanks for the info bro...
 
yeah, chicken sounds great. i buy the canned chicken, and eat those every chance i get. you can buy crap loads of them at Sams, and they are reasonably priced. the best thing about them is they are easy to carry around with you. im a service tech, and always on the go so they are perfect.
 
Daos-Canned chicken is OK, but it has tons of sodium. Try and get chicken breasts if you can bro, much better.
 
Tom Treutlin,
why are instructing other members to run this diet differently?


You said:

I wouldn't eat 1.5 lbs. of meat a day, Daos. Don't try this diet exactly. Add in chicken in place of some steak, and some fish.

Whereas BodyByFinaPlex, the guy who started the post and to his credit, looks like he knows a thing or two about bulking says:

I do not find boneless skinless chicken brest to be high enough in saturated fat to yield optimal gains for non-enhanced atheletes. You guys need it in order to keep your testosterone levels elevated.

What's up with that? Do you know something that bodybyfinaplex doesn't? I don't understand why you would contradict him in this thread without backing it up with anything...
 
'cuz too much of anything has never been good for anyone, and there are always warnings of excess red meat leading to prostate cancer and other problems. I don't care if I don't back it up, it's simple enough for someone to go onto Google and search for dangers of red meat themselves.

I gave my opinion, it's a forum open to discussion and eating less steak and using some other sources of protein certainly isn't going to hurt him any. I'm simply advising him in a way that I think would be more beneficial, if not to gains, then to health.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
'cuz too much of anything has never been good for anyone, and there are always warnings of excess red meat leading to prostate cancer and other problems. I don't care if I don't back it up, it's simple enough for someone to go onto Google and search for dangers of red meat themselves.

I gave my opinion, it's a forum open to discussion and eating less steak and using some other sources of protein certainly isn't going to hurt him any. I'm simply advising him in a way that I think would be more beneficial, if not to gains, then to health.

Red meat increases the risk of prostate cancer because it increases testoterone production, and reduces shbg levels, which yield to more free testosterone. Using that same logic, one should completely avoid steroids...and weight training, which has been shown to increase testoterone production as well.
 
Right, I know that BBF. We've actually discussed that before anyway. Still, I would think it'd be a good idea to spread your sources out just a bit more. Variety is never really a bad thing.

Though I supposed as long as you enjoy it, get enough nutrients elsewhere and supplement with fiber, you'll be fine.

Anyone else find that red meat causes a lot of, eh, rough/hard stools if not enough fiber is used?
 
I like this plan, except I make a big ass meatloaf and eat on it all day. MMMM good, U can add things to it as well. I also trade brown rice sometimes for barley. I just dont like barley that much...I add green veggies. You can add eggs to the meatloaf mix or wheat grains or flax. Whatever its kind of dynamic....If you wanted to up protein and calories more you can add powdered milk to the meatloaf and cheese. If you wanted to add carbs add some wheat or grain bread crumbs....
 
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Fats and protein are good....but I need the carbs...........only positives ocome out from solid carb sources.....oats, yams, rice, whole wheat................to each his own...
 
Yeah so make a meatloaf with oats/barley/flax/wheat crums/brown rice in the loaf and vvvoilaaa.....Eat yams on the side or sweat potatoes, and some vegggies/tomatoes...mmmm You can have a side of black beans.....
 
Tryn2 said:
Yeah so make a meatloaf with oats/barley/flax/wheat crums/brown rice in the loaf and vvvoilaaa.....Eat yams on the side or sweat potatoes, and some vegggies/tomatoes...mmmm You can have a side of black beans.....

LOL...I've always thought of meatloaf as 2 day old chilli...........but hell, gimme a good recipe and I'm all over it...........
 
Tryn2 said:
Yeah so make a meatloaf with oats/barley/flax/wheat crums/brown rice in the loaf and vvvoilaaa.....Eat yams on the side or sweat potatoes, and some vegggies/tomatoes...mmmm You can have a side of black beans.....

Sounds like a good game plan for gaining lbm on a budget.
 
I went to the store and in the seasoning section they have a meatloaf kit for like a buck. It somes with a browning bag and seasonings. All you add is an egg and milk bread crumbs. But searching on the net I have to find it again but the recipe was to add stove top stuffing, which contains seasonings and bread crumbs. You can add pretty much what you like to taste. Rice, green peppers, peas, powdered milk, cheese....You can use lean beef, High fat beef or ground turkey. It is very dynamic...
 
Tryn2 said:
I went to the store and in the seasoning section they have a meatloaf kit for like a buck. It somes with a browning bag and seasonings. All you add is an egg and milk bread crumbs. But searching on the net I have to find it again but the recipe was to add stove top stuffing, which contains seasonings and bread crumbs. You can add pretty much what you like to taste. Rice, green peppers, peas, powdered milk, cheese....You can use lean beef, High fat beef or ground turkey. It is very dynamic...
Well let's see what I can come up with..................how's this sound?

1-1/2 pounds lean ground beef or turkey
3/4 cup Oats(uncooked)
3/4 cup finely chopped onion
1/2 cup catsup
1 egg, lightly beaten
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce or soy sauce
2 cloves garlic, minced
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon black pepper
 
Sounds good, though in some of the meatloaf packets in the store the spices and chopped onion and garlic are already included. Makes it a little easier. It takes no time to make it but about an hour to cook it. Ill eat one a day, I dont get too bored so its ok for me. Though sometimes the sodium content of those packets can be high.
 
1 what? 1 loaf???? Is that all you eat? What's your diet look like bro and what are your goals/stats right now?
 
These ratios are for lean beef though I am told may be short on fats which I can use a fattier cut. I eat 1.5 lbs of meat loaf per day
along with brown rice and peas. I divide it up and eat it all day long. I have lately added beans for fiber. I will watch the scale and adjust accordingly. To add cals for bulking I am adding whole milk and ANPB, I will also be adding eggs. I will run it pretty much like this until I decide to cut in turn I will switch from beef to chicken and sometime slean beef. I tend to cheat though but am forgiving myself since I will get a little sloppy in the winter with my diet. Dieting seems to be my sticking point especially on the weekends. I also have 3 to 4 shakes with about 60 grams of protein and carbs though I cant remember the carb count. This is all off the top of my head I have it written down at home. I made 6 lbs of pork BBQ for today. Yummmey. I sway a little bit to give the taste buds a break.
cals / prot / carbs / fats
2760/ 334 / 204 / 68

so that would be 1136 protein calories
816 carb calories
612 fat calories

so 2760 / 1336 / 816 / 612
49% 30% 23%

Yes that adds up to 102% but its prob estimating error...So
how do those %'s look 2760total 49/30/23
 
Yeah I also remember hearing about the high levels of a certain type of iron in red meat to be dangerous to the prostate and such.

BBF? I know it was a type of iron that started with an 'H'. Hemo? No...
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Yeah I also remember hearing about the high levels of a certain type of iron in red meat to be dangerous to the prostate and such.

BBF? I know it was a type of iron that started with an 'H'. Hemo? No...

There are only two types of iron, ferus and feric I believe, but I haven't had a chemistry class in years.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
There are only two types of iron, ferus and feric I believe, but I haven't had a chemistry class in years.
Yeah....something like Fe and Fe+3.........

Tom - Hemo?!?!? lol....Hemochromotosis is when the body absorbs too much iron.......listen up in science class kid instead of planning your next HST workout....
 
Hey JKurz, fuck you.

http://www.healthandage.com/Home/gid2=2809
"Footnotes
1. There are two types of iron found in foods: heme and non-heme. The body absorbs heme iron more easily than non-heme iron. Heme iron is found in animal products (meat and fish), and non-heme iron in plants (e.g. vegetables, fruit, grains), and in supplements."

Bottom of page is that.

Then, under the second paragraph of the "What The Results Showed" section, we have...

"The diets were evaluated for total iron intake, total heme iron1, heme iron derived from red meat, and heme iron from non-red meat sources. The subjects were divided into 5 equal-sized groups depending on their intake of total iron (these are called quintiles). Quintiles were also formed for heme iron and non-heme iron intake."

Oh, and I pay plenty attention in my science classes, and this isn't something they really teach us about. Why don't you stop being stubborn, drop the ego and try doing one of the newer-age programs that doesn't entail hitting a bodypart once a week and "destroying" it with 9+ sets.

Smile! ;)
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Hey JKurz, fuck you.

http://www.healthandage.com/Home/gid2=2809
"Footnotes
1. There are two types of iron found in foods: heme and non-heme. The body absorbs heme iron more easily than non-heme iron. Heme iron is found in animal products (meat and fish), and non-heme iron in plants (e.g. vegetables, fruit, grains), and in supplements."

Bottom of page is that.

Then, under the second paragraph of the "What The Results Showed" section, we have...

"The diets were evaluated for total iron intake, total heme iron1, heme iron derived from red meat, and heme iron from non-red meat sources. The subjects were divided into 5 equal-sized groups depending on their intake of total iron (these are called quintiles). Quintiles were also formed for heme iron and non-heme iron intake."

Oh, and I pay plenty attention in my science classes, and this isn't something they really teach us about. Why don't you stop being stubborn, drop the ego and try doing one of the newer-age programs that doesn't entail hitting a bodypart once a week and "destroying" it with 9+ sets.

Smile! ;)


LOL.......relax. :rolleyes:

I was wrong...........well, not really, but I'll take it......
 
what exactly is "chuck steak"

never seen it......i've seen chuck ground beef.....


and also, for the romaine lettuce....I've tried buy the fresh stuff but it's a huge pain in the ass, to store in the fridge. I've been buying those bags with romaine already chopped up......no good? or does it matter? besides them being more expensive...
 
ChewYxRage said:
what exactly is "chuck steak"

never seen it......i've seen chuck ground beef.....


and also, for the romaine lettuce....I've tried buy the fresh stuff but it's a huge pain in the ass, to store in the fridge. I've been buying those bags with romaine already chopped up......no good? or does it matter? besides them being more expensive...

Chuck steak is the cut of meat they make ground chuck from. LoL

The bags of romaine are more expensive...I was converned with budget on this.
 
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