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Welcome to a whole new dimension in supplements.




******* B.Sc. Biochemistry

edited upon authors request



Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock these last couple of years, you’ve probably heard something about R-Alpha Lipoic Acid (R-ALA for short). You’ve also probably heard some pretty outlandish tales which made you wonder whether or not the people making them had taken their medication lately. The fact is that Glucorell R from Anabolic Fitness is the BEST alpha-lipoic acid on the market – hands down. Here’s a little more to tell you why they’re the only company that will let you tap into the wealth of benefits offered by R-ALA, and what those benefits REALLY are.



“What is it?”

R-ALA is a naturally occurring substance which has seen extensive use in Europe due to its ability to rejuvenate and restore the liver, as well as its antioxidant properties. R-ALA is actually a fatty acid compound, but is unique in that it has a sulfur-sulfur bond at the distal end (away from the carboxylic acid end of the fatty acid). It is this sulfur-sulfur bond which provides the antioxidant properties of R-ALA, due to the fact that it is easily reduced. For example, R-ALA is a great scavenger of hydroxyl radicals; these radicals are easily able to attack at one of the sulfurs and attach to the molecule. After attachment, the –OH now on R-ALA is able to be disposed of safely by the body, either through fatty acid metabolism or through the passage of the –OH group to another antioxidant molecule such as Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) or Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol).



“Radical, man!”
OK, so maybe my lingo is best saved for 1992, but the compounds I’m referring to didn’t go away with M.C. Hammer’s parachute pants and Madonna’s cone-shaped brassiere. Metabolism is sometimes a violent thing; many enzymes are forced to generate energetically unfavourable products such as free radicals (and other oxidants) in order to produce other substances necessary for life. These free radicals have been implicated in premature aging (sun damage is a result of UV-induced free radicals which cause thymidine dimerization in DNA), diseases of the liver (the liver is one of the hotbeds of radical production in the body, as it is forced to detoxify our bodies on a daily basis; long-term exposure has been implicated in diseases such as cirrhosis), and certain cancers (radicals + DNA = trouble waiting to happen)… It doesn’t take a genius to realize that minimizing free radicals in the body is key to good health and longevity. The free radicals produced in our bodies need to be neutralized as soon as possible to prevent them from reacting with something critical, with possibly disastrous consequences. This is where antioxidants come in. Antioxidants are much like an absorbent sponge which sucks up the radicals and puts them into a much less harmful form; the problem isn’t what happens to the antioxidants, it’s what happens when you don’t have enough antioxidants to go around.



“Lean on me…”
We’ve all heard this great song by Bill Withers… and strangely enough, it applies to R-ALA. The line “lean on me, when you’re not strong, and I’ll be your friend. I’ll help you carry on for it won’t be long, ‘til I’m gonna need somebody to lean on” is probably the best (and catchiest!) description of antioxidant regeneration in the body. The main players are Vitamins C and E, which we tend to consume as part of our daily diet, and Coenzyme Q, which we synthesize. The problem is, with today’s fast-food culture, many of us aren’t able to ingest enough of Vitamins C and E, or synthesize enough Coenzyme Q, to keep up with our own radical production. This is where R-ALA comes in. Antioxidants use each other to swap functional groups and regenerate each other (remember the –OH group from our hydroxyl radical?) – R-ALA is no different. By adding even a small amount of R-ALA to your daily diet, you can help your other antioxidants to do their job better because R-ALA will help to regenerate them – and R-ALA will act on its own to further reduce your free radical levels!



R-ALA also acts to increase glutathione levels in cells (glutathione is another sulfur-containing antioxidant), and is a cofactor in a number of enzymes which are involved in metabolism (one example of such enzymes is the group of alpha-keto acid dehydrogenases, critical in the citric acid cycle for the usage of metabolites such as alpha-ketoglutarate).



“I noticed that Glucorell-R includes additional Biotin…”
Yes, it does. This is because R-ALA can actually compete with Biotin in the body; without biotin supplementation, symptoms of biotin deficiency can actually manifest themselves. So, instead of making you go out and get biotin for yourself, we threw some in there for you! Now THAT’S service!


“OK, so R-ALA is just for old people, or people who are worried about radicals…”
WRONG! We’re just getting started. Let’s talk healthy, active people here – people like you and me. Most of us have a little bit of fat which we’d like to get rid of… come on, admit it – wouldn’t you like those love handles gone? Thighs tighter? Butt firmer? Somehow, no matter how much we’re able to lose with proper diet and exercise, these stubborn pockets of fat linger. Why? Because, for the most part, they’re insulin-resistant. Insulin resistance in fat pockets means that they are unresponsive to insulin signaling, and can occur for a variety of reasons (chronic hyperglycemia, genetic predisposition, receptor damage, etc.). The bottom line is that these fat pockets simply don’t respond the way the rest of the body responds to insulin. Because of this, the body secretes more insulin, which further downgrades the insulin response in resistant cells, which causes higher insulin secretion, which… well, you get the picture – and it’s not pretty. R-ALA has been shown to actually prevent or REVERSE insulin resistance in clinical studies. Remember the antioxidant properties we talked about earlier? Well, here’s an excerpt from a paper published by the University of Montreal:



“The antihypertensive action and the prevention of insulin resistance by lipoic acid appears to be associated with its antioxidant properties because it prevented the increase of oxidative stress…”

El Midaoui A and Champlain J (2002). Prevention of hypertension, insulin resistance and oxidative stress by alpha-lipoic acid. Hypertension 39(2):303-7.



By preventing or reversing insulin resistance, your body is able to PROPERLY respond to insulin. Proper response to insulin means your muscles are able to take up glucose from the bloodstream and utilize it for fuel – this reduces hyperglycemia and its associated negative effects. Not only is this good for your blood sugar, it’s also good for your body fat! Excess carbohydrate (like sugars) is the main reason that most of us accumulate fat. By allowing our muscles to remove sugars from the bloodstream effectively, thus lowering blood sugar levels, we simply don’t have the CHANCE to store the excess carbohydrate as fat! The significance of this fact will become clear in just a few seconds.



Also, notice they mentioned hypertension (high blood pressure) in the passage above. Not only does R-ALA help you burn excess fat by preventing/reversing insulin resistance, it lowers your blood pressure! I don’t know about you, but that’s definitely a side-effect I could get used to…



“Can you repeat that please?”
Let’s recap: R-ALA will decrease the level of harmful oxidants in your body, prevent or reverse insulin resistance, slow your conversion of carbohydrates into fats, normalize your blood sugar, and lower your blood pressure. Man, I’d hate it if all of that happened – wouldn’t you? But we’re not done yet!



“Gentlemen, start your engines…”
Okay, remember that bit about slowing your storage of ingested carbohydrates as fats? Well, if that’s a jab then this is the right roundhouse – R-ALA actually boosts your metabolic rate! No, I’m not kidding – R-ALA actually boosts your metabolic rate! The ‘engine’ of your body’s cells is their mitochondria. Mitochondria are organelles (organelles are to cells as your organs are to your body) which provide the cell’s energy via the metabolism of fuels like carbohydrates and fats (proteins are metabolized primarily in the cytosol of the cell, then the carbon skeletons of converted amino acids are used in the mitochondria). Bottom line: improve mitochondrial function, and you’ll increase your metabolic rate. Let’s take a look at what the labcoats over at University of California at Berkeley have to say about this one:



“… R-lipoic acid supplementation improves indices of metabolic activity as well as lowers oxidative stress and damage evident in aging.”

Hagen TM et al (1999). R-alpha lipoic acid supplemented old rats have improved mitochondrial function, decreased oxidative damage, and increased metabolic rate. FASEB J 13(2):411-8.



Look at the title of that paper - “… improved mitochondrial function … increased metabolic rate”; this is exactly what we’re talking about! Now here’s where it starts to get really interesting if you’re into burning fat. If R-ALA causes your consumed carbohydrates to be utilized by muscle tissue for fuel, it doesn’t leave much (if any) for your adipocytes (fat storage/metabolism cells which make up adipose tissue). Just as you get hungry, so do your adipocytes. And when your adipocytes go to raid the fridge for their midnight snack, and there’s no carbohydrate to be found, they decide on a nice big chunk of FAT. That’s right – the very cells which produced the fat in the first place are forced to break it down so that they can survive. And where do they break it down? You guessed it – the mitochondria! Less fat synthesis + increased fat breakdown = reduction or elimination of those stubborn fat pockets you’ve always wanted to get rid of.



“But how are the muscle and fat cells differentially affected?”

Many people ask how R-ALA can possibly make a difference when it up-regulates the expression of the insulin-sensitive glucotransporter GLUT4 in BOTH muscle and fat cells (myocytes and adipocytes). The answer is somewhat complicated… but then again, so is the body. While R-ALA does upregulate the expression levels of GLUT4 in both adipocytes and myocytes, we have FAR more skeletal muscle in your body than we have fat cells. Thus, while the clearance rate of blood glucose due to adipocytes does in fact increase briefly, the clearance rate due to myocytes increases dramatically simply because of the sheer amount of muscle which has increased its GLUT4 activity. In essence, the adipocytes are the runts of the litter who can’t quite elbow their way into the trough at feeding time… there’s simply too much muscle around. The bottom line: there just aren’t enough adipocytes to compete with the high demand placed on blood glucose by skeletal muscle.



“So how is GLUT4 activity controlled, from a mechanistic point of view?”

We get this question a lot as well… it makes me feel good to know that someone out there is just as much of a keener as I am when it comes to this sort of thing. At the same time, it makes me sad because I can imagine what their social life is like…



Let’s take a look at a paper from the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto:



“…results indicate that R (+) alpha-lipoic acid directly activates lipid, tyrosine and serine/threonine kinases in target cells, which could lead to the stimulation of glucose uptake induced by this natural cofactor. These properties are unique among all agents currently used to lower glycaemia in animals and humans with diabetes.”

Yaworsky K et al (2000). Engagement of the insulin-sensitive pathway in the stimulation of glucose transport by alpha-lipoic acid in 3T3-L1 adipocytes. Diabetologia 43(3):294-303.



Now, you might have to take my word for it, but activation of specific kinases (and thus ATP dependence) is a hallmark of vesicular transport in cells. So, since we see activation of the kinase families listed above, we can postulate that GLUT4 is recycled using vesicles which bud off from the membrane and return to the cytoplasm when the insulin (or R-ALA) signal is removed. Upon the return of the signal, these vesicles localize and fuse with the membrane, placing the transporter once again in contact with the outside environment and thus allows it to take up glucose across the membrane and into the cell’s interior. Evidence that wortmannin, an inhibitor or PI-3-Kinase, abolishes R-ALA stimulated glucose uptake provides some evidence that the mode of action is vesicular formation/fusion since PI-3-Kinase is critical for vesicle-mediated processes.



How the R-ALA stimulates these various kinases would likely be through interaction with either a cell-surface receptor which causes a signaling kinase cascade, or directly with one of the numerous heterotrimeric G proteins which would lead to the same sort of event. It’s essentially a case of a possibly analogous pathway making sense in light of past evidence. Similar pathways exist for most, if not all, of the peptide hormones, neurotransmitters such as serotonin (5-HT) and epinephrine, and numerous other cell-signalling molecules – it just makes sense that a tried, tested, and true method would also be seen in the R-ALA mechanism since the final effects (multiple kinase activation) are so markedly similar. With the amount of research presently being done on R-ALA and its mode of action, a definite answer cannot be far behind.



“My training includes substances which cause liver damage…”

This is, admittedly, a bit of an aside – but many people have no idea how truly versatile – and valuable – R-ALA really is.



There’s no disputing the fact that users of 17-alpha alkylated substances (and users of other substances) can do serious damage to their livers if they use these substances too much or too long. Not to mince words, if you damage your liver past a certain point, you probably shouldn’t be making any plans for next year (or possibly even next week). Naturally, very few – if any – individuals reach this sort of crossroads, but I’m sure you see the point: protecting one’s liver is of paramount importance.



R-ALA is one of the most versatile and most useful compounds known to man when it comes to treatment or protection of your liver. But don’t take my word for it – talk to University of California at Berkeley:



“… alpha lipoic acid was also used as a therapeutic agent in a number of conditions relating to liver disease, including alcohol-induced damage, mushroom poisoning, metal intoxification, and CCl4 [carbon tetrachloride] poisoning. Alpha-lipoic acid supplementation was successful in the treatment for these conditions in many cases.”

Bustamante J et al (1998). Alpha-lipoic acid in liver metabolism and disease. Free Radic Biol Med 24(6):1023-39.



Why take chances with 17-alpha alkylated substances when protection can be so close at hand? Now, we’re not saying that R-ALA is a miracle cure – if you’re going to abuse these substances, you’ll still suffer all of the ill effects (you can’t stop a tidal wave with a bucket, right?). However, it’s our belief that an investment in R-ALA is an investment in your future health.



“OK, that all sounds great… but what’s with the R?”

The R’s in R-ALA and Glucorell-R aren’t just for show – they’re a key piece of the puzzle when it comes to effectiveness of lipoic acid. To understand this a little better, let’s look at what this R business is all about.



“Mirror, mirror, on the wall…”

Some molecules which contain carbon have a distinctive property of being optically active. This means that they can rotate plane-polarized light in a given direction. The reason for this is because of a certain absolute configuration around one (or more) carbon atoms which are bound to 4 different groups. This property is called chirality, and a molecule which has one or more of these stereogenic centers (the name for carbons bound to 4 different substituents) is called a chiral molecule. For every stereogenic center, there are two relative configurations, called enantiomers. Enantiomers are distinguishable based on the fact that they are non-superimposable mirror images. Good examples of two enantiomers are your right and left hand. They’re mirror images of one another which can’t be superimposed. Make sense? Remember the hand analogy; it will become important later.



Now I know you’re probably wondering why you’re still reading, and I admit it’s not the most exciting thing you’ve probably ever read… but bear with me – this is all going somewhere. I’m just trying to help you better understand how some companies are ripping you off. Trust me, it will save you a lot of time, money, and frustration if you understand the difference between quality goods and half-baked ripoffs.



Let’s get back to the stereochemistry for a second here. Remember the enantiomer thing? Well, it’s no good to talk about enantiomers if we can’t name them. So, three scientists named Cahn, Ingold, and Prelog decided to devise a system of naming based on atomic-number-based prioritization (if you want more details, check out an organic chemistry textbook). These rules became known as the CIP (Cahn-Ingold-Prelog) rules and it’s these rules which give us the R (rectus; from the Latin meaning “right”) and S (sinister; from the Lating meaning “left”) designations. Incidentally, if you’ve ever seen L and D- designations, such as on a bottle of L-glutamine or L-carnitine, these are a different system of nomenclature quite often used for biological molecules which is based on the way that L-(-)- or D-(+)-glyceraldehyde (one of the first isolated optically active biological molecules) rotated plane-polarized light. D stands for dextrorotatory (rotating to the right) and L for levorotatory (rotating to the left). The D and L system cannot be related to the R and S system without actual experimental evidence, and is no longer used except for common, well-known molecules such as the L-amino acids and the D-sugars. A good example of a failure of the D/L system is D-(-)-lactic acid… but nevermind about that – we’re talking in terms of R and S as it pertains to lipoic acid.



Now, when most companies synthesize ALA, they do it in such a way that the result is what’s known as a racemate – an equal mixture of the R and S forms of ALA, which is costly and time-consuming to purify. But who cares – lipoic acid is lipoic acid, right? If you believe that, then I’ve got some great ocean-front property near Las Vegas that I’d love to sell you.



“When the left hand holds back the right…”

Here’s where all of your knowledge of stereochemistry pays off. Ready for it?



The R enantiomer of ALA is the ONLY enantiomer with significant, positive biological activity. It’s the ONLY enantiomer which does the things listed above – reduction of oxidative stress, reversal of insulin resistance, and boosting of metabolism – to any great degree. Need proof? Here are just two examples out of an entire LIST of papers:



“This study revealed a marked stereospecificity in the prevention of buthionine sulfoximine-induced cataract, and in the protection of lens antioxidants, in newborn rats by alpha-lipoate, R- and racemic alpha-lipoate decreased cataract formation from 100% (buthionine sulfoximine only) to 55% (buthionine sulfoximine + R-alpha-lipoic acid) and 40% (buthionine sulfoximine + rac-alpha-lipoic acid) (p<0.05 compared to buthionine sulfoximine only). S-alpha-lipoic acid had no effect on cataract formation induced by buthionine sulfoximine. The lens antioxidants glutathione, ascorbate, and vitamin E were depleted to 45, 62, and 23% of control levels, respectively, by buthionine sulfoximine treatment, but were maintained at 84-97% of control levels when R-alpha-lipoic acid or rac-alpha-lipoic acid were administered with buthionine sulfoximine; S-alpha-lipoic acid administration had no protective effect on lens antioxidants.”

Maitra I et al (1996). Stereospecific effects of R-lipoic acid on buthionine sulfoximine-induced cataract formation in newborn rats. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 16;221(2):422-9.



“We determined the individual effects of the pure R-(+) and S-(-) enantiomers of ALA on glucose metabolism in skeletal muscle of an animal model of insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia, and dyslipidemia: the obese Zucker (fa/fa) rat. Obese rats were treated intraperitoneally acutely (100 mg/kg body wt for 1 h) or chronically [10 days with 30 mg/kg of R-(+)-ALA or 50 mg/kg of S-(-)-ALA]. Glucose transport [2-deoxyglucose (2-DG) uptake], glycogen synthesis, and glucose oxidation were determined in the epitrochlearis muscles in the absence or presence of insulin (13.3 nM). Acutely, R-(+)-ALA increased insulin-mediated 2-DG-uptake by 64% (P < 0.05), whereas S-(-)-ALA had no significant effect.”

Streeper RS et al (1997). Differential effects of lipoic acid stereoisomers on glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant skeletal muscle. Am J Physiol 273(1 Pt 1):E185-91.



Not only this, but the S enantiomer can actually REDUCE the effectiveness of the R enantiomer – the opposite configuration can actually cause the opposite effect! Why? Because the S enantiomer has enough similarity to occupy the sites that the R enantiomer does, without being similar enough to cause biological activity. It’s like having a key that fits your keyhole, but it’s for someone else’s door – the key looks great, and it fits the lock, but in the end you’re still stuck outside in the rain because the door won’t open. Here’s another excerpt from the same paper:



“Although chronic R-(+)-ALA treatment significantly reduced plasma insulin (17%) and free fatty acids (FFA; 35%) relative to vehicle-treated obese animals, S-(-)-ALA treatment further increased insulin (15%) and had no effect on FFA. … Chronic R-(+)-ALA treatment elicited a 26% increase in insulin-stimulated glycogen synthesis and a 33% enhancement of insulin-stimulated glucose oxidation. No significant increase in these parameters was observed after S-(-)-ALA treatment. Glucose transporter (GLUT-4) protein was unchanged after chronic R-(+)-ALA treatment but was reduced to 81 +/- 6% of obese control with S-(-)-ALA treatment. Therefore, chronic parenteral treatment with the antioxidant ALA enhances insulin-stimulated glucose transport and non-oxidative and oxidative glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant rat skeletal muscle, with the R-(+) enantiomer being much more effective than the S-(-) enantiomer.”

Streeper RS et al (1997). Differential effects of lipoic acid stereoisomers on glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant skeletal muscle. Am J Physiol 273(1 Pt 1):E185-91.



In light of these studies, it should be painfully clear that supplement companies which sell you the racemate – and most of the others do – are RIPPING YOU OFF! Not only are they selling you sub-standard product, but it actually contains something which counteracts the good effects of its useful component! Talk about kicking the consumer while you’re down…



“So what’s so different about Glucorell-R?”

Glucorell-R is composed of PURE R-alpha lipoic acid. Let me say that again – each dosage of Glucorell-R contains 100mg of pure, active, R-ALA (plus the 500mcg biotin mentioned earlier). How do we do it? A proprietary process which yields the R form in high yields, without having to deal with the S form. This translates into better results for you, the customer, and better satisfaction for us – we can rest easy knowing that our products are the best they can possibly be.



“The bottom line…”

If you’re serious about burning fat, increasing your energy levels, protecting your liver, reducing oxidative stress, and increasing your overall health, invest in Glucorell-R today.



If you’re serious about burning money… well, I’m sure you know how to get in touch with the other guys.













About the Author:

Matt Rawluk holds a B.Sc. with Specialization in Biochemistry from the University of Alberta, one of the finest biochemical and medical research schools in North America. He has played over nine years of football, including several at the University level prior to medically-forced retirement, and has had experience with a wide variety of supplements and training methodologies. He is currently entering graduate studies (Ph.D.) in the Department of Biochemistry at the University of Alberta, and will be investigating the role that cyclin-dependent kinases play in the regulation of cell division with hopes that modulation of these enzymes might be used as a treatment for proliferative diseases such as cancer.




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8: Loffelhardt S, Bonaventura C, Locher M, Borbe HO, Bisswanger H. Interaction of alpha-lipoic acid enantiomers and homologues with the enzyme components of the mammalian pyruvate dehydrogenase complex. Biochem Pharmacol. 1995 Aug 25;50(5):637-46.

9: Maitra I, Serbinova E, Tritschler HJ, Packer L. Stereospecific effects of R-lipoic acid on buthionine sulfoximine-induced cataract formation in newborn rats. Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 1996 Apr 16;221(2):422-9.

10: Oehring R, Bisswanger H. Incorporation of the enantiomers of lipoic acid into the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex from Escherichia coli in vivo. Biol Chem Hoppe Seyler. 1992 Jun;373(6):333-5.

11: Patel MS, Hong YS. Lipoic acid as an antioxidant. The role of dihydrolipoamide dehydrogenase. Methods Mol Biol. 1998;108:337-46. No abstract available.

12: Pick U, Haramaki N, Constantinescu A, Handelman GJ, Tritschler HJ, Packer L. Glutathione reductase and lipoamide dehydrogenase have opposite stereospecificities for alpha-lipoic acid enantiomers. Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 1995 Jan 17;206(2):724-30.

13: Saengsirisuwan V, Kinnick TR, Schmit MB, Henriksen EJ. Interactions of exercise training and lipoic acid on skeletal muscle glucose transport in obese Zucker rats. J Appl Physiol. 2001 Jul;91(1):145-53.


14: Schempp H, Ulrich H, Elstner EF. Stereospecific reduction of R(+)-thioctic acid by porcine heart lipoamide dehydrogenase/diaphorase. Z Naturforsch [C]. 1994 Sep-Oct;49(9-10):691-2.

15: Streeper RS, Henriksen EJ, Jacob S, Hokama JY, Fogt DL, Tritschler HJ. Differential effects of lipoic acid stereoisomers on glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant skeletal muscle. Am J Physiol. 1997 Jul;273(1 Pt 1):E185-91.

16: Sumathi R, Jayanthi S, Kalpanadevi V, Varalakshmi P. Effect of DL alpha-lipoic acid on tissue lipid peroxidation and antioxidant systems in normal and glycollate treated rats. Pharmacol Res. 1993 May-Jun;27(4):309-18.

17: Tang LH, Aizenman E. Allosteric modulation of the NMDA receptor by dihydrolipoic and lipoic acid in rat cortical neurons in vitro. Neuron. 1993 Nov;11(5):857-63.

18: Zimmer G, Beikler TK, Schneider M, Ibel J, Tritschler H, Ulrich H. Dose/response curves of lipoic acid R-and S-forms in the working rat heart during reoxygenation: superiority of the R-enantiomer in enhancement of aortic flow. J Mol Cell Cardiol. 1995 Sep;27(9):1895-903.

19: Zimmer G, Mainka L, Ulrich H. ATP synthesis and ATPase activities in heart mitoplasts under influence of R- and S-enantiomers of lipoic acid. Methods Enzymol. 1995;251:332-40. No abstract available.



R-ALA: ACTIVATION OF GLUT4 AND EFFECTS ON GLYCAEMIA

1: Estrada DE, Ewart HS, Tsakiridis T, Volchuk A, Ramlal T, Tritschler H, Klip A. Stimulation of glucose uptake by the natural coenzyme alpha-lipoic acid/thioctic acid: participation of elements of the insulin signaling pathway. Diabetes. 1996 Dec;45(12):1798-804.



2: Jacob S, Streeper RS, Fogt DL, Hokama JY, Tritschler HJ, Dietze GJ, Henriksen EJ. The antioxidant alpha-lipoic acid enhances insulin-stimulated glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant rat skeletal muscle. Diabetes. 1996 Aug;45(8):1024-9.



3: Khamaisi M, Rudich A, Beeri I, Pessler D, Friger M, Gavrilov V, Tritschler H, Bashan N. Metabolic effects of gamma-linolenic acid-alpha-lipoic acid conjugate in streptozotocin diabetic rats. Antioxid Redox Signal. 1999 Winter;1(4):523-35.





4: Khamaisi M, Potashnik R, Tirosh A, Demshchak E, Rudich A, Tritschler H, Wessel K, Bashan N. Lipoic acid reduces glycemia and increases muscle GLUT4 content in streptozotocin-diabetic rats. Metabolism. 1997 Jul;46(7):763-8.





5: Konrad D, Somwar R, Sweeney G, Yaworsky K, Hayashi M, Ramlal T, Klip A. The antihyperglycemic drug alpha-lipoic acid stimulates glucose uptake via both GLUT4 translocation and GLUT4 activation: potential role of p38 mitogen-activated protein kinase in GLUT4 activation. Diabetes. 2001 Jun;50(6):1464-71.




6: Maddux BA, See W, Lawrence JC Jr, Goldfine AL, Goldfine ID, Evans JL. Protection against oxidative stress-induced insulin resistance in rat L6 muscle cells by mircomolar concentrations of alpha-lipoic acid. Diabetes. 2001 Feb;50(2):404-10.




7: Yaworsky K, Somwar R, Ramlal T, Tritschler HJ, Klip A. Engagement of the insulin-sensitive pathway in the stimulation of glucose transport by alpha-lipoic acid in 3T3-L1 adipocytes. Diabetologia. 2000 Mar;43(3):294-303.
 
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this is one of the most complete and best article I've ever read. But, making it sticky and all... It looks like markerting once again. Anyways, I'll give it a shot someday...
 
Dr.M: I was reading a study that 600 mcg of R-ALA has the same effect as high dosages.
is that true?

600 mcg/per day is all u need based on the study
 
If I don't want to burn fat?

What if I am currently trying to put on some muscle instead of losing weight? I don't want my metabolism to be faster to I? I need to eat more to gain weight, so taking r-ALA would be a waste right? (if I am not interested in the antioxidant properties.)
 
Transporter -

I think I saw the same study, regarding diminishing returns past 600 mg (not 600mcg)... I think there may be some confusion about units here. If you can give me a source, I'll check it out though.

Anakin -

if you want to gain size without fat, R-ALA is probably right for you. It enhances insulin sensitivity, and increases skeletal muscle's use of glucose for this very reason. It won't make you catabolic like some stimulant/thyroid stacks will, it will just reduce fat deposition by increasing carbohydrate consumption (instead of having that carbohydrate deposited as fat).

Regards,
-M
 
Awesome read!!!

Dr.M,

That was probably the best article i've read in a long time. Very informative. I knew this supplement was great!
 
r-ala, if not THE best overall supplement, is definitely one of the top two or three supplements in the world. the stuff has had such a dramatic positive effect on my health and there's not too many other things i can say that about.

Dr. M, you should be proud man, writing like that is a work of art, seriously.
 
r-ALA + fat..

One question, and I need someone to answear thatreally knows this. Some people say never to mig fat with ala, is this true or false. Would one ggain more fat with ala + fat than witout the ala.

I mean what would be best in a bulk ad a cutting diet

protein(50g) + fat(15g) + carb(80g) + ala

or would it be better to take protein + fat, then protein + carbs + ala. How long after ala intake would it then be ok to eat fat?

to ALA or not..that is the question.

any studies on this??
 
I don't think in all the literature I have read about R+ there is any mention of using ALA for bulking. :)

You will gain more fat with ALA because it will raise your insulin levels and high insulin makes you fat. But I fail to see how that would be a "desired" effect, even while bulking.
Personally I have had it up to my eyeball with getting fat and then cutting it. What if you could eat all the food you could stand and still stay relatively lean? Well you can if you use Glucorell R with thermos or fat burners like Thermorexin and Liporexin. I know because I am doing it.
I have bulked and cut many times over the last 25 years and this rocks eating 4-5000 cal a day and not having to change to my "fat" clothes.
 
its also my fav supp. I try everything and most stuff i try is shit and just all hype but i am fucking looking ripped and I know this shit has alot to do with it. I take 3-4 tabs before i even look at carbs.
 
Mackavelli said:
I am curious if you could do any damage by using r-ala for extensive periods of time. Can it be a pre-cursor to diabetes etc? I use if often and this is my only concern.

As macro said, by lowering insulin resistance, R-ALA can actually delay/prevent the onset of insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus.

-M
 
should I refrigerate my Glucorell?? Ive heard this, but nothing on the bottle. If my fridge is a little "extra cold" and possibly freezes it, would that be a problem?
 
Hang on, hang on!
I've only just read this thread.
You're saying ALA is gonna make you fat?
After so many months (a while back) of being told ALA was king you're all willing to accept this?
What's changed?!?
 
Quote Ulter: "Right, you're more apt to put on fat with regular ALA because it will raise your insulin levels".

But I think I see what he's saying, though it could be better phrased?
 
Ah, I get it.

R-ALA is a single enantiomer which has very positive effects in the body.

ALA is a mix of two enantiomers (R- and S-ALA) in which the S-ALA has some interesting effects.

Taking racemic ALA is like wiping your ass before you shit. Taking R-ALA is the way to go.

-M
 
My experience has been rALA and ALA work about the same you just need to ingest more of the later to get the same effects. The scientific materials that I have read on this topic, only confirms my belief. I've used rALA and ALA both worked well for me.
 
1. while some people find that 3-4 times the amount of ala=same as r-ala- this is not the case generally
2. from a health standpoint the benefits of r+ are may fold superior
3. for people with insulin related fat issues the R+ difference is like night and day.

IMHO since the S enantiomer negates many of the health benefits of R enantiomer there is no comparing racemate to the pure r enantiomer.
 
Awesome article Dr. Matt!! Damn that must have taken you a long time to put together. Good stuff!!

I'll be using r-ala in the upcoming future.
 
I just keep trying to find a difference between Racemic ALA and R-ALa, and I can not see any! I really wanna believe there is a difference, and thus far it boils down to 2 things: smell of urine and money. I'd rather take the cash and go with racemic.
 
Physiological and pharmacological studies have shown the single R- enantiomer to be superior in all the respects one would want it to be for a fitness context.

However, if you want to play with the racemate, who are we to stop you? I personally consider it wasted money, but that's just me. And the scientific community at large.

-M
 
I've looked at the studies. I also know that if you need double the racemic blend to get the same effect as Rtype, then you still end up paying slightly more for the Rala. you can buy 50 grams of the racemic for much cheaper than you can 20 grams of rala.
 
Actually, with the counterproductive effects of the S- enantiomer, you need about 3 times as much RS-ALA as R-ALA. Because of the relative affinity problem and antagonistic effects of the S-ALA, you end up getting less than your 50% effect from the weight percentage of R-ALA in the racemate. It works out to about 30% or so.

It's up to you.

-M
 
I just got the "lite" fat Burning kit in. I am wondering how many Glucorell R tabs I take before I eat? Can I take them w/o eating carbs?
 
Dr. M said:
Ah, I get it.

R-ALA is a single enantiomer which has very positive effects in the body.

ALA is a mix of two enantiomers (R- and S-ALA) in which the S-ALA has some interesting effects.

Taking racemic ALA is like wiping your ass before you shit. Taking R-ALA is the way to go.

-M

bullshit (pun intended)

money has to be made so statements like this will no doubt arise. ALA raises insulin as much as water...lol.

It must be noted, however, that ALA is superior because I can walk into almost any store and get it...while Rala is hard to come by.
 
Mr Ron Coleman said:

It must be noted, however, that ALA is superior because I can walk into almost any store and get it...while Rala is hard to come by.

It must be noted, however, that rock is superior because I can walk into almost any field and get it... while diamonds are hard to come by.

-M
 
show me a study directly comparing Rala versus ALA. I, and at least 4 of my friends, have been using this stuff since day 1. Rala might be slightly more effective, and I say MAY be, but its not worth the cost/effective ratio. nuff said :)
 
I'm sorry if this article hurts your sales, but I'm just presenting the facts as shown in the literature I've cited as part of the article.

BUT, if you'd like them pointed out:

7: Loeffelhardt S, Borbe HO, Locher M, Bisswanger H. In vivo incorporation of lipoic acid enantiomers and homologues in the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex from Escherichia coli. Biochim Biophys Acta. 1996 Sep 13;1297(1):90-8.

8: Loffelhardt S, Bonaventura C, Locher M, Borbe HO, Bisswanger H. Interaction of alpha-lipoic acid enantiomers and homologues with the enzyme components of the mammalian pyruvate dehydrogenase complex. Biochem Pharmacol. 1995 Aug 25;50(5):637-46.

9: Maitra I, Serbinova E, Tritschler HJ, Packer L. Stereospecific effects of R-lipoic acid on buthionine sulfoximine-induced cataract formation in newborn rats. Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 1996 Apr 16;221(2):422-9.

10: Oehring R, Bisswanger H. Incorporation of the enantiomers of lipoic acid into the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex from Escherichia coli in vivo. Biol Chem Hoppe Seyler. 1992 Jun;373(6):333-5.

14: Schempp H, Ulrich H, Elstner EF. Stereospecific reduction of R(+)-thioctic acid by porcine heart lipoamide dehydrogenase/diaphorase. Z Naturforsch [C]. 1994 Sep-Oct;49(9-10):691-2.

15: Streeper RS, Henriksen EJ, Jacob S, Hokama JY, Fogt DL, Tritschler HJ. Differential effects of lipoic acid stereoisomers on glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant skeletal muscle. Am J Physiol. 1997 Jul;273(1 Pt 1):E185-91.

18: Zimmer G, Beikler TK, Schneider M, Ibel J, Tritschler H, Ulrich H. Dose/response curves of lipoic acid R-and S-forms in the working rat heart during reoxygenation: superiority of the R-enantiomer in enhancement of aortic flow. J Mol Cell Cardiol. 1995 Sep;27(9):1895-903.

19: Zimmer G, Mainka L, Ulrich H. ATP synthesis and ATPase activities in heart mitoplasts under influence of R- and S-enantiomers of lipoic acid. Methods Enzymol. 1995;251:332-40.

Enough to demonstrate the superiority of the R enantiomer? I would say so.

-M
 
You know, time released ala has been working really great for me, I have tried Jarrow's brand over the last couple weeks. It aint cheap, but it's kept me in ketosis!
 
Yea

That's what I was gonna say, too.

Actually, what is the false positive then indicating if it is in fact 'false'. How do you know it's false.

Race and/or S have unique effects on RBC's which R doesn't.
 
Re: Yea

idanimal said:
That's what I was gonna say, too.

Actually, what is the false positive then indicating if it is in fact 'false'. How do you know it's false.

Race and/or S have unique effects on RBC's which R doesn't.

you're right, ALA doesnt create a false positive, either ketones are in the urine or they're not. Fat does it, ala does, r-ala does it, exercise does it..etc etc.
 
ulter said:
"either ketones are in the urine or they're not." That's true.
"ALA doesnt create a false positive" That's not true. ALA can cause the test stick to show the wrong results.

that does not make sense. If ketones are there in your urine it means that they are being created right? So you're saying just ALA alone in a solution of water or something will make a keto stick show a reading for ketones?
 
Amazing

How much it takes to get a straight answer and interesting how he ignored my question on it, but chose to answer yours.
 
Re: Amazing

idanimal said:
How much it takes to get a straight answer and interesting how he ignored my question on it, but chose to answer yours.

I don't answer MOST of your posts, but then you know that already. Also, because your post has no questions marks I assumed the implied questions were rhetorical.
 
Re: Amazing

idanimal said:
How much it takes to get a straight answer and interesting how he ignored my question on it, but chose to answer yours.

Ketones in the urine don't mean you're in ketosis from a metabolic standpoint.

If you consume ALA, you'll present as having ketones in your urine due to excretion of certain ALA metabolites. It doesn't mean you're ketotic metabolically, insofar as metabolic ketosis implies that one is metabolizing limited (or no) carbohydrate but rather using exclusively fats and amino acids for fuel. High rate of metabolism of fats leads to production of large amounts of acetyl-CoA (Ac-CoA) which - when present in excess - can be condensed to form HMG-CoA and other ketone bodies which present a positive for metabolic ketosis in the urine. This is used as an indicator since ketone bodies are not found in any significant amount in a non-ketotic human being.

If one is not metabolically ketotic, but produces limited amounts of ketone-like metabolites strictly from ALA metabolism, then one would present a FALSE positive for metabolic ketosis.

-M
 
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ala has sulfhydryl metabolites.. sulfhydryl's cause a false positive for ketosis..

btw- ketostix will not always show ketosis only the presence of one of the ketones.. it is possible to be in ketosis and still get a negative or just trace reading..


the best test is a GLUCOMETER.. at least for ketosis..

this is not to say that ala does not help with ketosis... just that it is VERY possible that high doses (even lower doses in some individuals.. metabolic variances) give a false positive


from NIH

Specimens containing large amounts of ascorbic acid or levodopa metabolites, valproic acid, phenazopyridine (Pyridium®), PSP dye, phenylketones, or phthalein compounds such as are administered for liver and kidney function tests may cause false-positives. Beta-hydroxybutyric acid (the third of the three ketone bodies) is not detected by the nitroprusside (KETOSTIX) method. N-acetylcysteine causes false-positive ketone results
 
NIH didn't say anything about ALA or other drugs/chems which could/have sulphur as a metabolite.

I guess this is pretty rhetorical??????????????????????????????????????????
(Lots a question marks because it's not commonly known that 'how' and 'what' are indicators of a question?)

'Actually, what is the false positive then indicating if it is in fact 'false'. How do you know it's false.'

I believe we can at least see who has a semblance of a correct answer and is willing to eductate people.

And I think all we want is INFORMATION as to what these metabolites are for diabetics and others using ALA for medical reason would surely have NEED to know. Additionally, it would be nice to know of r-ALA or ALA present different.

(Ulter, you need not bother as it's not phrased in the form of a question.)

Since the half-life of ALA is VERY, VERY short, how long does this phenomenon last?
 
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Rife with fantastic answers and I hope your sleep is permanent which looks to be the case with the non answer answer which is quite typical of the mentally dead!
 
I guess they aren't educated as they don't look to use r-ALA!

The study used ALA!



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Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Sep;13(3):294-302.

Effect of alpha-lipoic acid combined with creatine monohydrate on human skeletal muscle creatine and phosphagen concentration.

Burke DG, Chilibeck PD, Parise G, Tarnopolsky MA, Candow DG.

Department of Human Kinetics, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada B2G 2W5.

Alpha-lipoic acid has been found to enhance glucose uptake into skeletal muscle in animal models. Studies have also found that the co-ingestion of carbohydrate along with creatine increases muscle creatine uptake by a process related to insulin-stimulated glucose disposal. The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of alpha-lipoic acid on human skeletal muscle creatine uptake by directly measuring intramuscular concentrations of creatine, phosphocreatine, and adenosine triphosphate when creatine monohydrate was co-ingested with alpha-lipoic acid. Muscle biopsies were acquired from the vastus lateralis m. of 16 male subjects (18-32 y) before and after the experimental intervention. After the initial biopsy, subjects ingested 20 g x d(-1) of creatine monohydrate, 20 g x d(-1) of creatine monohydrate + 100 g x d(-1) of sucrose, or 20 g x d(-1) of creatine monohydrate + 100 g x d(-1) of sucrose + 1000 mg x d(-1) of alpha-lipoic acid for 5 days. Subjects refrained from exercise and consumed the same balanced diet for 7 days. Body weight increased by 2.1% following the nutritional intervention, with no differences between the groups. There was a significant increase in total creatine concentration following creatine supplementation, with the group ingesting alpha-lipoic acid showing a significantly greater increase (p < .05) in phosphocreatine (87.6 --> 106.2 mmol x kg(-1) dry mass [dm]) and total creatine (137.8 --> 156.8 mmol x kg(-1) dm). These findings indicate that co-ingestion of alpha-lipoic acid with creatine and a small amount of sucrose can enhance muscle total creatine content as compared to the ingestion of creatine and sucrose or creatine alone.
 
If you're going to use that as a point, then prove to me that the participants in that study wouldn't have seen better effects with ingestion of R-ALA.

ALA contains both R and S enantiomers, so they were in fact getting some R... nice try, but you'll have to do better than that.

-M
 
Better? Better than what?

Somebody obviously didn't read the study because BOTH groups gained the same wt!

Yes, the ALA group had MORE creatine, but that creatine did what? NOTHING in regards to wt.

The study also illustrates that the effects ARE NOT impaired by 'competition of ALA's'

Again, the total wt benefits was the same to BOTH groups and the question then with r-ala is NOT, 'eeewww, if you used r-ala it would be better;, but is if you use r, would you get the same benefits at all, or more creatine in there.

Is it the r that's working or the ALA that's working.

Surely somebody around here could relay to us how much more superhumanly strong they are since they are taking ALA and creatine!
 
Bran987 said:
So if I were to buy a 120 capsule bottle, how long would that last?

Are you supposed to take 3 before every meal? So it would last like.. only a week or 10 days?? For $40?

Depends on how many carbs your eating, only take them with carb heavy meals, and the number taken per meal is also carb dependant.
 
Bran987 said:
So if I were to buy a 120 capsule bottle, how long would that last?

Are you supposed to take 3 before every meal? So it would last like.. only a week or 10 days?? For $40?

100mg for every 30g or so of carbs in a meal. The bottle actually lasts longer than you'd think...

-M
 
Ok.. fine.. you sold me.. I just bought a bottle. Currently the only supplements I use are food and multi-vit/mineral because I don't trust supplements anymore, the muscle mags are ridiculous.

Just for reference, I've never heard of your company (doesn't mean it's not good.. just never heard of it). But enough people in here say they are getting good results for me to try it. I just hope the effects are as effective for natural bodybuilders.

I was wondering if the contents in your products are verified by any 3rd parties.. like.. not the kind you pay to give you a good report and stuff. :-)

I just read The Bodybuilding Truth by Nelson Montana and his discussion of the supp. industry is pretty depressing haha.

On another note.. the discount for the board is cool and your website is easy to use.

Thanks
 
Wow! I guess there were pretty tough questions!

Animal said:
Better? Better than what?

Somebody obviously didn't read the study because BOTH groups gained the same wt!

Yes, the ALA group had MORE creatine, but that creatine did what? NOTHING in regards to wt.

The study also illustrates that the effects ARE NOT impaired by 'competition of ALA's'

Again, the total wt benefits was the same to BOTH groups and the question then with r-ala is NOT, 'eeewww, if you used r-ala it would be better;, but is if you use r, would you get the same benefits at all, or more creatine in there.

Is it the r that's working or the ALA that's working.

Surely somebody around here could relay to us how much more superhumanly strong they are since they are taking ALA and creatine!
 
Animal said:
Wow! I guess there were pretty tough questions!



not really, just not relevant.

R-lipoic is essentially the active isomer. While S-lipoic has activity it is inhibitory of R-lipoic activity in many tissue, via competion for uptake.

Whether ALA or r-ala are better at increasing creatine uptake, it could be either way. Though a study comparing the two would be interesting.
 
Well thank god that you solved that problem and nobody needs to do any research to see if more creatine can be absorbed with the r.

I guess we don't need anymore research on anything, now.
 
macrophage69alpha said:



Whether ALA or r-ala are better at increasing creatine uptake, it could be either way. Though a study comparing the two would be interesting.


Animal said:
Well thank god that you solved that problem and nobody needs to do any research to see if more creatine can be absorbed with the r.

I guess we don't need anymore research on anything, now.

do you actually read posts or just spout off?
 
Animal said:
Well thank god that you solved that problem and nobody needs to do any research to see if more creatine can be absorbed with the r.

I guess we don't need anymore research on anything, now.

This is why noone responds to your 'questions'. Maybe the kids on the short yellow bus would find them intellectually engaging, but I wouldn't count on it.

Try learning to read, then come back and see where you've gone wrong.

-M
 
Did you gradeeate high school to come up with such a fantastic quip.

Asstounding!

NOTE: I AM A MORON
 
Why does Animal, easily the most despicable and contemptible person on the net, bother to come to this board? All you do is criticize and bash this board on your board yet you still come back here. Go back to your own little cocoon where you have your little sheeple that congratulate each other on how brilliant you all are and delete posts or ban people that disagree with you. Over the years through natural selection, or should I say "animal selection/banning" you have gathered a bunch of true-believing Kool-aide drinkers that has convinced you of your own genius contributing to your delusional, megalomania tendencies. I noticed that you dropped the $10 fee that allows people to log in "as long as you feel they are worthy." Oh, wait, you took that line out. I guess asking people to pay you to insult them was affecting the bottom line. Not so principled after all, eh? If it wasn't for DC or IronAddict I wonder how many would even bother with your pathetic self-absorbed egotism. I know I wouldn't. I've been banned so many times from your board that I'm running out of computers to log in on. As long as I stick to DC's forum I'll be OK because it's hard to hold my peace listening to your self-aggrandizing rants and insults.

BTW, does anyone still have the picture of the big, mean "Animal" sitting next to some Asian guy in his bike shorts? Very impressive --- ROTFLMAO! How easy it is to be a tough guy on the net when you don't have to face anybody. That explains why someone told me that you're really a nice guy in person. I bet. After getting your scrawny ass kicked so many times you learned to respect people in person.

Ban me now, Cracker!
 
I just noticed there is Glucorell-R in my Thermorexin...

but on the website it says there is only 10 mg R-ALA in each cap?

But a regular Glucorell-R cap has 100 mg R-ALA?

Just wondering what is the point of 10 mg or if I should alter my Glucorell-R dosages since I'm on Thermorexin too.
 
Bran987 said:
I just noticed there is Glucorell-R in my Thermorexin...

but on the website it says there is only 10 mg R-ALA in each cap?

But a regular Glucorell-R cap has 100 mg R-ALA?

Just wondering what is the point of 10 mg or if I should alter my Glucorell-R dosages since I'm on Thermorexin too.


the small amount is to help enhance lipolysis and suppress some of the insulin release that is associated with stimulant use.
 
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