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My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!
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JKurz1
Banned
that's my 9am meal and my noon.....in between, I cooked 2lbs of flank steak, 4lb of chx breast, 4-5 cups brown rice, 2l-3lbs of whipped yams, 3 cupos black beans, and a dozen hardboiled eggs......need to go get some ground lean turkey, apples, and water....then I just cook my oats every night and i'm rollin for the week....off day this weak is THURSDAY......this is for sure as I have a conference from 3pm to 10pm....boy do I need it......was going to take today off, but forgot about thursday. So.......
I want to really focus on gettn my knees and hips ok to squat ATF......I just can't seem to do it properly. Last week I did it with 5x5 at 135 and felt good....this week I'm gonna do it with 145 5x5.....and I superset 5 sets of dbell lunges to make it more taxing......i dont care of people laugh at me......I'll be there soon enouigh and it's just as intense doing 4 plates like a 80 yr old takin a shit then 145 ATF!
I want to really focus on gettn my knees and hips ok to squat ATF......I just can't seem to do it properly. Last week I did it with 5x5 at 135 and felt good....this week I'm gonna do it with 145 5x5.....and I superset 5 sets of dbell lunges to make it more taxing......i dont care of people laugh at me......I'll be there soon enouigh and it's just as intense doing 4 plates like a 80 yr old takin a shit then 145 ATF!
JKurz1
Banned
BIGT - I got bigger problems. I would eat and I would eat a fing ton, but something isn't right. Like I said, I felt like I my heart stopped on the way to the office saturday, yest was semi ok just some stomach bloating, and today my feet and extremeties are completely numb, my face is numb and I have severe stomach bloating....imagine no feeling in your legs and your feet feeling like pins and needles. I would PAY for a diagnosis, so maybe my next step is the MD. Can't be from eating disorder anymore.....it has got to be more serious! It's like my heart isn't pumping enough blood.........
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gettinripped
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JKurz1 said:
I'd say this a great idea JK. Even if it's nothing, better to be safe than sorry.
BiggT
New member
JKurz1 said:
Go get checked out. Not a big deal. Talk to a good doctor and give them the run down, I am sure they'll get a full blood panel done and maybe run through some tests. If anything, you need the peace of mind. Whatever you do, don't go to WebMD or some other site to try to self diagnose. I find that people who are not trained medically tend to misinterpret the info. and self-diagnose with absolute disaster, lol.
Keep me posted, just call today and see if your Dr. can squeeze you in this afternoon.
BiggT
New member
If you don't feel it's urgent, then just call and schedule something within the next couple of weeks. I have this gut feeling that some routine tests will confirm there is nothing seriously wrong with you, and if the Dr. has any bedside manner worth a crap you'll feel a lot better by the time you walk out to your car.
For what it's worth, whenever I have been up early in the AM and worked out and then had breakfast, it kind of felt like somebody kicked me in the stomach until lunch-time as well. Who knows.
But, if you don't feel it is an emergency then just call and get an Appt. within the next couple of weeks, I think you'll feel much better just talking to a Dr. And......don't try to read wedsites and self-diagnose, if you're anything like me you'll wind up in the ER with a nervous breakdown, lol. (I've never had a nervous breakdown, lol, but medical info. is a dangerous thing when you're not trained to properly interpret it).
For what it's worth, whenever I have been up early in the AM and worked out and then had breakfast, it kind of felt like somebody kicked me in the stomach until lunch-time as well. Who knows.
But, if you don't feel it is an emergency then just call and get an Appt. within the next couple of weeks, I think you'll feel much better just talking to a Dr. And......don't try to read wedsites and self-diagnose, if you're anything like me you'll wind up in the ER with a nervous breakdown, lol. (I've never had a nervous breakdown, lol, but medical info. is a dangerous thing when you're not trained to properly interpret it).
solidspine
New member
Eat more protein, and lift HEAVY,
EAT MORE PROTEIN AND LIFT HEAVY
EAT MORE PROTEIN AND LIFT HEAVY
JKurz1
Banned
Bullshit..........I am eating 400+g a day.....aint the food bro....that's been beat
7am PRO CARB FAT
1 packets flavored oats 6.6 30 3 175
.25 cup 3 13.5 0.75 75
6 oz turkey 42 0 1.5 183
6 egg whites 21.6 1.4 0.3 103
73.2 44.9 5.55 536
9am
6OZ FLANK COOKED 42.1 0 10 261
1 cup brown rice 3 46 0.5 210
1/2 cup back beans 11.3 30 0.8 171
56.4 76 11.3 642
11am
6 oz tuna 42.1 0 2 191
8 oz yam 3.5 63.3 0.4 268
1 tbsp honey 0 20 0.1 100
45.6 83.3 2.5 559
1pm
6 OZ CHICKEN 40.4 0 1.3 176
1 TBSP OLIVE OIL 0 0 13.5 119
40.4 0 0 14.8 0 295
315
2 scoop blend 50 6 6 250
1 apple 0.6 30 0.4 120
50.6 36 6.4 370
TRAIN (445-615)
630
1 packet oats 6 30 1 175
2 cups cold cereal 5 25 1 225
2 SCOOPS WHEY 50 6 6 250
POST SUPPS 0 0 0 0
61 0 61 0 8 0 650
800
4 oz all white meat turkey 28.014 0 1.0005 122.061
spinach 0.8 10 0.2 60
28.814 10 1.2005 182.061
900
8 to 10 oz. lean red meat 36 0 8.4 230
or
1/2 cup dry curd 20 1 2 100
1tb pb 7 6 17 110
1/2 scoop blend 10 3 2 60
1/2 cup egg whites 16 1 0.5 80
53 11 21.5 350
392.01 311.20 - 58.15 - 3,464.06
or with cc prebed 409.01 322.20 71.25 - 3,584.06
7am PRO CARB FAT
1 packets flavored oats 6.6 30 3 175
.25 cup 3 13.5 0.75 75
6 oz turkey 42 0 1.5 183
6 egg whites 21.6 1.4 0.3 103
73.2 44.9 5.55 536
9am
6OZ FLANK COOKED 42.1 0 10 261
1 cup brown rice 3 46 0.5 210
1/2 cup back beans 11.3 30 0.8 171
56.4 76 11.3 642
11am
6 oz tuna 42.1 0 2 191
8 oz yam 3.5 63.3 0.4 268
1 tbsp honey 0 20 0.1 100
45.6 83.3 2.5 559
1pm
6 OZ CHICKEN 40.4 0 1.3 176
1 TBSP OLIVE OIL 0 0 13.5 119
40.4 0 0 14.8 0 295
315
2 scoop blend 50 6 6 250
1 apple 0.6 30 0.4 120
50.6 36 6.4 370
TRAIN (445-615)
630
1 packet oats 6 30 1 175
2 cups cold cereal 5 25 1 225
2 SCOOPS WHEY 50 6 6 250
POST SUPPS 0 0 0 0
61 0 61 0 8 0 650
800
4 oz all white meat turkey 28.014 0 1.0005 122.061
spinach 0.8 10 0.2 60
28.814 10 1.2005 182.061
900
8 to 10 oz. lean red meat 36 0 8.4 230
or
1/2 cup dry curd 20 1 2 100
1tb pb 7 6 17 110
1/2 scoop blend 10 3 2 60
1/2 cup egg whites 16 1 0.5 80
53 11 21.5 350
392.01 311.20 - 58.15 - 3,464.06
or with cc prebed 409.01 322.20 71.25 - 3,584.06
JKurz1
Banned
Sunday December 3, 206
8am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
TRAINING
2:10pm. (with a little help from Nark's Log.....) obviously not nearly as strong, but he's my goal!
Legs
Leg Extensions:
Set 1: 90 lbs: 20 reps (w/ pause at the top of each rep)
Set 2: 120lb: 15 reps (w/ pause at the top of each rep)
Set 3: 160lbs: 10 reps
Leg-press: (very very ackward, hack/leg press/veriticle - not your typical leg press)
warm-up: 1 plate: 20 reps
Set 1: 1pl +25: 20 reps
Set 2: 2 plates: 10 reps
Squat:
warm-up: 105 lbs: 10 reps
Set 1: 145lbs: 6 reps
Set 2: 155 lbs: 5 reps**
**Knees are absolutely shot from cardio....very very weak so I am concentrating on going ATF, clinging the bar jsut below
Adductor Machine:
Set 1: 100lbs: 15 reps
Set 2: 160 lbs: 10 reps
Set 3: 180 lbs: 10 reps
Laying Leg-curl:
5 sets: 70 lbs: 10 reps each set (slow controlled contraction.. w/ pause at the top of each rep... followed by a slow controlled negative)
Calf Press (on the leg-press station):
Set 1: 200 lbs: 10 reps [warm-up]
Set 1: 220 lbs: 10 reps [warm-up]
Set 3: 260 lbs: 10 reps [warm-up]
Set 4: 280 lbs: 10 reps
Set 5: 280 lbs: 10 reps
Seated Calf-raise:
3 sets: 1 plate each side +10lbs: 10 reps each set**
**Varied foot positions on each set. Set 1: heels out; Set 2: Heels in; Set 3: neutral
Additionally: 3 sets rope crunches, 3 sets abs cybex
Limped out..........
8am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
TRAINING
2:10pm. (with a little help from Nark's Log.....) obviously not nearly as strong, but he's my goal!
Legs
Leg Extensions:
Set 1: 90 lbs: 20 reps (w/ pause at the top of each rep)
Set 2: 120lb: 15 reps (w/ pause at the top of each rep)
Set 3: 160lbs: 10 reps
Leg-press: (very very ackward, hack/leg press/veriticle - not your typical leg press)
warm-up: 1 plate: 20 reps
Set 1: 1pl +25: 20 reps
Set 2: 2 plates: 10 reps
Squat:
warm-up: 105 lbs: 10 reps
Set 1: 145lbs: 6 reps
Set 2: 155 lbs: 5 reps**
**Knees are absolutely shot from cardio....very very weak so I am concentrating on going ATF, clinging the bar jsut below
Adductor Machine:
Set 1: 100lbs: 15 reps
Set 2: 160 lbs: 10 reps
Set 3: 180 lbs: 10 reps
Laying Leg-curl:
5 sets: 70 lbs: 10 reps each set (slow controlled contraction.. w/ pause at the top of each rep... followed by a slow controlled negative)
Calf Press (on the leg-press station):
Set 1: 200 lbs: 10 reps [warm-up]
Set 1: 220 lbs: 10 reps [warm-up]
Set 3: 260 lbs: 10 reps [warm-up]
Set 4: 280 lbs: 10 reps
Set 5: 280 lbs: 10 reps
Seated Calf-raise:
3 sets: 1 plate each side +10lbs: 10 reps each set**
**Varied foot positions on each set. Set 1: heels out; Set 2: Heels in; Set 3: neutral
Additionally: 3 sets rope crunches, 3 sets abs cybex
Limped out..........
JKurz1
Banned
Monday December 4, 2006
5am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
TRAINING
CHEST
Flat Dbell Press:
40x12 *warmup*
Set 1: 70x10
Set 2: 75x8
Set 3: 80x5 *bump*
Set 4: 80x5 *bump*
Set 5: 60x10
SMITH INCLINE BENCH
135 x 12
155X8
165x7
175x6
185x3 x 2 sets
Dumbell Flat Flys *smooth*
45x10 x 2
50x9
Dumbell Incline Fly
45x10 x 2
50x9
Dips
3 sets of 12 *deep*
Cable Cross
60x15
70x12
70x12 - dropped and 20 quick explosive pushups
5am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
TRAINING
CHEST
Flat Dbell Press:
40x12 *warmup*
Set 1: 70x10
Set 2: 75x8
Set 3: 80x5 *bump*
Set 4: 80x5 *bump*
Set 5: 60x10
SMITH INCLINE BENCH
135 x 12
155X8
165x7
175x6
185x3 x 2 sets
Dumbell Flat Flys *smooth*
45x10 x 2
50x9
Dumbell Incline Fly
45x10 x 2
50x9
Dips
3 sets of 12 *deep*
Cable Cross
60x15
70x12
70x12 - dropped and 20 quick explosive pushups
JKurz1
Banned
Last Tuesday's Back Day:
DEADLIFT
135X10
225X8
245X6
275X2
305X1
TBAR CORNER ROWS
3 PLATES + 10 X 12
3+25 X 8
4X5
4X5
3+25X6
3X10
2+25 X 15
LAT PULL
2PLATES + 5 X 12
2+30 X 8
2+30 X 8
WIDE GRIP ROWS
150X12
150+1 X 10
170X8
PULLOVER DUMBELL
55X15
65X12
70X10
TBAR NAT. MACHINE
55X10
65X8-10
75X6-7
ABS X 3
CALVES X 4
DEADLIFT
135X10
225X8
245X6
275X2
305X1
TBAR CORNER ROWS
3 PLATES + 10 X 12
3+25 X 8
4X5
4X5
3+25X6
3X10
2+25 X 15
LAT PULL
2PLATES + 5 X 12
2+30 X 8
2+30 X 8
WIDE GRIP ROWS
150X12
150+1 X 10
170X8
PULLOVER DUMBELL
55X15
65X12
70X10
TBAR NAT. MACHINE
55X10
65X8-10
75X6-7
ABS X 3
CALVES X 4
JKurz1
Banned
Deadlift
135x10
235x8
255x6
275x3
305x2
Tbar Corner Rows
3 Plates + 10 X 12
3+25 X 8
4x5
4x5
3+25x6
3x10
2+25 X 15
Lat Pull
2plates + 5 X 12
2+30 X 8
2+30 X 8
Wide Grip Rows
150x12
150+1 X 10
170x8
Pullover Dumbell
55x15
65x12
70x10
Tbar Nat. Machine
55x10
65x8-10
75x6-7
Abs X 3
Calves X 4[/quote]
135x10
235x8
255x6
275x3
305x2
Tbar Corner Rows
3 Plates + 10 X 12
3+25 X 8
4x5
4x5
3+25x6
3x10
2+25 X 15
Lat Pull
2plates + 5 X 12
2+30 X 8
2+30 X 8
Wide Grip Rows
150x12
150+1 X 10
170x8
Pullover Dumbell
55x15
65x12
70x10
Tbar Nat. Machine
55x10
65x8-10
75x6-7
Abs X 3
Calves X 4[/quote]
JKurz1
Banned
MY PLEA...........
I've come to the realization after reading a post by John Bernardi..........I am SEVERELY SEVERELY severely.........overtrained and my body can't respond. Look at what has happened...I've drop 75lbs, my test levels are below the floor, i have no energy, my bp is extremely low as is my heartrate......i have severe stomach distress.......I am just amazed that I never ever get sick. Never. Maybe 1 time a year. Anerexic nervouse is another symptom, anxiety, depression.........it all is so in my face that I cant believe now I am realizing it....my face gets cold, my limbs go numb........and I'm scared. Scared because I CAN'T STOP TRAINING.......I'll feel like hell, I will starve. I can't ration eating carbs even in moderation of i'm not doing anything that day. I don't want to keep digging this hole which is prob. too late and the only thing keeping me going is getting stronger or at least staying the same in terms of weighs used everyday. Something has got to give....what do I do? Switch to a eod training approach and just eat fat/pro on off days??? Anyone who can help and understand how I want to stay LEAN while doing this would be of great help........
I've come to the realization after reading a post by John Bernardi..........I am SEVERELY SEVERELY severely.........overtrained and my body can't respond. Look at what has happened...I've drop 75lbs, my test levels are below the floor, i have no energy, my bp is extremely low as is my heartrate......i have severe stomach distress.......I am just amazed that I never ever get sick. Never. Maybe 1 time a year. Anerexic nervouse is another symptom, anxiety, depression.........it all is so in my face that I cant believe now I am realizing it....my face gets cold, my limbs go numb........and I'm scared. Scared because I CAN'T STOP TRAINING.......I'll feel like hell, I will starve. I can't ration eating carbs even in moderation of i'm not doing anything that day. I don't want to keep digging this hole which is prob. too late and the only thing keeping me going is getting stronger or at least staying the same in terms of weighs used everyday. Something has got to give....what do I do? Switch to a eod training approach and just eat fat/pro on off days??? Anyone who can help and understand how I want to stay LEAN while doing this would be of great help........
JKurz1 said:
dude its like a continuous cycle with you. Quit trying to self diagnose yourself. You have no idea what the problem is, go to the fucking doctor. You have no idea what your test level is and if you hadn't been to a doc I highly doubt you know what your bp is. You are so worried about having abs you know what, you are going to stay that way and never progress until you decide what you want.
BiggT
New member
Jeff,
I understand the desire to stay lean, or more realistically, to minimize fat gain while bulking. Your reasoning is based on irrational fears. You're intelligent enough to know this, but you've got a disorder that won't let you see this from a logical point of view.
Again, the option for you to talk with a specialist in the area of eating disorders is always there, and it is decision for you and only you to make.
I think you probably took John Berardi's article a little out of context. Anyway, the fact that you've improved your lifts leads me to believe that you're not in some chronic overtrained state. You've had enthusiasm for training, and I just don't think you have some serious issue here. I think you deserve a couple weeks out of the gym and it may not be a bad thing to take a month off, but I do not seriously think you've battered yourself down beyond repair.
All I can help you with when it comes to rationalizing eating carbs and taking 'off-days' is that it works and works well, and has worked since the dawn of time. You've done it before and you didn't get "fat", countless people do it and are not fat.....if that isn't enough, then you probably at least should bounce these concerns off of somebody trained to deal with them.
You went from 250-160 from 4 years of starvation. You ate 2000 cals a day and probably burned 2500/day from all the exercise and the triathlon training. ANYBODY who weighs a buck 60 at 6-2 is going to have low blood pressure. As for the test levels, 250mg a week is considered nothing by the "175lb Monsters" on most discussion boards, lol, but in reality it is MUCH more than a maintainence dose and there is no way your test levels are "below the floor" on 250mg of Cyp a week, considering the shit is real, lol.
With training, you obviously know what works and what doesn't.......you know how to program, so stop neurotically trying to stuff something into every day of the week and just let common sense guide you.....again, if this is beyond common sense, just talk to someone, it'll help.
Your body would respond to training with more cals on a consistent basis. The diets you've outlined, while a bit micromanaged for my tastes, have the cals you need, they have the macros you need, if you were truly eating ~4000 cals a day of the macros you listed, and you DIDN'T burn off 2500 of them with 'secret cardio sessions' then you should not still weigh 160.....be honest with yourself there. I don't think you're unresponsive to training, I think you're probably still creating a mild caloric deficit somehow, someway, or at best ending up at maintainence for 160lbs.
I still think you can do this if you can listen to your own voice of reason, just ask yourself if you truly believe this, if you've got 1 slight doubt, then make the call and let a professional help you beat this once and for all.
I understand the desire to stay lean, or more realistically, to minimize fat gain while bulking. Your reasoning is based on irrational fears. You're intelligent enough to know this, but you've got a disorder that won't let you see this from a logical point of view.
Again, the option for you to talk with a specialist in the area of eating disorders is always there, and it is decision for you and only you to make.
I think you probably took John Berardi's article a little out of context. Anyway, the fact that you've improved your lifts leads me to believe that you're not in some chronic overtrained state. You've had enthusiasm for training, and I just don't think you have some serious issue here. I think you deserve a couple weeks out of the gym and it may not be a bad thing to take a month off, but I do not seriously think you've battered yourself down beyond repair.
All I can help you with when it comes to rationalizing eating carbs and taking 'off-days' is that it works and works well, and has worked since the dawn of time. You've done it before and you didn't get "fat", countless people do it and are not fat.....if that isn't enough, then you probably at least should bounce these concerns off of somebody trained to deal with them.
You went from 250-160 from 4 years of starvation. You ate 2000 cals a day and probably burned 2500/day from all the exercise and the triathlon training. ANYBODY who weighs a buck 60 at 6-2 is going to have low blood pressure. As for the test levels, 250mg a week is considered nothing by the "175lb Monsters" on most discussion boards, lol, but in reality it is MUCH more than a maintainence dose and there is no way your test levels are "below the floor" on 250mg of Cyp a week, considering the shit is real, lol.
With training, you obviously know what works and what doesn't.......you know how to program, so stop neurotically trying to stuff something into every day of the week and just let common sense guide you.....again, if this is beyond common sense, just talk to someone, it'll help.
Your body would respond to training with more cals on a consistent basis. The diets you've outlined, while a bit micromanaged for my tastes, have the cals you need, they have the macros you need, if you were truly eating ~4000 cals a day of the macros you listed, and you DIDN'T burn off 2500 of them with 'secret cardio sessions' then you should not still weigh 160.....be honest with yourself there. I don't think you're unresponsive to training, I think you're probably still creating a mild caloric deficit somehow, someway, or at best ending up at maintainence for 160lbs.
I still think you can do this if you can listen to your own voice of reason, just ask yourself if you truly believe this, if you've got 1 slight doubt, then make the call and let a professional help you beat this once and for all.
JKurz1
Banned
I was there.........I had the tests done...........i had a liver biopsy for high enzymes.....i had my test levels checked.....i had my bp checked....he said your test is low, here is androderm.....you bp is low, you'll live a long time....they can't find anything wrong,.,,,,,,I have EVERY SYMPTOM OF OT...I am in the gym FOURTEEN TIMES A FUCKING WEEK...........QUIT POSTING ON MY THREAD! PLEASE..............let me get the assistance I need.........Neo22 said:
JKurz1 said:
dude go fuck yourself seriously. Everyone has tried to help you out and you come back and do nothing but bitch and moan. If they SAY NOTHING IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, TRAIN, FUCKING EAT AND QUIT LOOKING AT YOUR FUCKING ABS. THE REALITY IS NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR ABS, WOMEN DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR ABS, THE KEEBLER ELF DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR ABS. You're an idiot for going to the gym 14 times a week. Shit I am a trainer and I train at the gym and I don't even go there close to that. THE ONLY ASSISTANCE YOU NEED IS A CLINIC FOR EATING AND MENTAL DISORDERS!
Okay, I have to chime in. What is it you are expexting to get here? First off. Is it nessassary for you to worry about every single detail so much. You write down everything you do all day every day, every thing you eat every day! Come on man! Fucking live your godaamn life some. Do you ever think all of your "symptoms" may be in your head? Your docs telling you there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU! Get it? Get on with it! I have been a sucessful PT for 14 years and if you were my client I would tell you so suck it up. Sooooo suck it up man! This shit fucking hurts! It hurts every minute of every day. I Diet harder for competition than almost anyone I know. I fucking hate it but I do not bitch about it. I have cried because my sweet potato got runied! 1700 cal a day at 210# for 6 weeks! one carb mael ever two weeks! It hurts! it sucks but I do it because I can not because I have to! No one makes us and no one wants to hear our woes...I am sorry but its true. This thread I am sorry to say is simply just ridiculas at this point. I have never seen you on another post. Thats fucked up...It is not all about you.
The weak suffer what they must. The strong endure what they will.
Quadsweep
The weak suffer what they must. The strong endure what they will.
Quadsweep
psychedout
New member
This is the thread that never ends... and it goes on and on my friend... some people started chiming in not knowing what it was, and they'll continue chiming in forever just because this is the thread that never ends...
solidspine
New member
I think they can help you,
just join,
and join now!!!!!!
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just join,
and join now!!!!!!
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JKurz1
Banned
Tuesday December 5th, 2006JKurz1 said:
DEADLIFT
135X10
235X8
255X6
275X3
305X2 <---took me 3 minutes to lock it out...lol
TBAR CORNER ROWS (did this 4th instead of second in rotation)
3 PLATES + 10 X 12
3+25 X 7
3+25 x 7
3+35 x 5-6
3 x 8
2+25 x 10
2 x 15 -----SQUEEZE
LAT PULL
2PLATES + 10 X 12
2+30 X 10
2+35 X 8
WIDE GRIP ROWS
150X12
130 X 10
120X10
PULLOVER DUMBELL
60x12
60x12
60x12
TBAR NAT. MACHINE
60X10
65X10
75X8
ABS X 3
CALVES X 4
A DAY OFF! 1 Day! Thats it?! 1 Day! And no one is mocking you at all. (Actually maybe I just did!)Its just getting to the point of being pathetic. I have been here for a long time and this is just ....I do not have a word. It should not be so hard to eat and to "not" train. if it seek help, more help, better help. I say that a a professional. Not a moderator.JKurz1 said:
Quadsweep
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Anybody that works out, and knows how to manipulate their diet, which is most of us, realize that we have the power to make these changes to our own bodies. You are exhibiting the SAME behavior as a grossly obese person, who continues to stuff himself and is deaf to good advice. You ignore the very words that would give you what you want. An obese person has a million reasons, genetics, big-boned, whatever, and the more intelligent they are, the more reasons they can come up with to convince themselves that they can't control this. Bodybuilding isn't about letting yourself self destruct, it is just the opposite. Take control, seek professional help, take the steps necessaryto be who you want to be. Life is too short for this torture that you are putting yourself through. You have frustrated the best advisors here, and BigT should be nominated for sainthood.Most of us have seen the results of a good diet and strength programs and they are supposed to have good endings. You are pissing us off because you are sabotaging yourself!
SgtSlaughter
New member
these posts need to be bumped:
Nice job locking out that deadlift. lol... It's felt like 5 minutes have gone by for me before locking out some heavy deads, tough stuff.
I really hope you can stick to a 3 or 4 day a week lifting schedule.... it'll do you so much more good than you realize.
sgtslaughter said:
_________________biggt said:
Nice job locking out that deadlift. lol... It's felt like 5 minutes have gone by for me before locking out some heavy deads, tough stuff.
I really hope you can stick to a 3 or 4 day a week lifting schedule.... it'll do you so much more good than you realize.
Real life has very few happy endings. You die. Real life will throw heart breaking sadness at you, things happen that are just unfair, things that you can not predict or prevent. This person needs to put things in perspective, take a walk through a children's cancer ward or a burn unit. Believe me, that WILL put your shit in order. Based on the info given he has the means, to get the help he needs to smooth out his rocky road. Spine is right, the Marines would have been a major benefit to his adult mindset. The horizon spoken of isn't well defined abs.
blut wump
New member
What you say it, of course, true and has been pointed out to JK many times throughout the thread. The aspect many here seem to overlook, though, is that they suggest he needs psychiatric help and then knock themselves out wondering why he acts as though he is crazy.
There are two good explanations for this thread, one of which we already decided to dismiss in another thread. The other is that he really, truly needs help that we have failed to give over many months and over the past four and half months in particular. He knows that he needs to see a specialist but denial requires that he persevere without one.
As posters on a basically anonymous chat board we have only two choices: give him attention and help, each in our own way, or to ignore him. Personally, as I've mentioned to him in another thread, I think he's committed to running himself to destruction. I suspect many others are transfixed to the thread wondering how bad it's going to get before we find the happy ending. There isn't going to be a happy ending until JK wants one and that isn't going to happen any time soon.
There are two good explanations for this thread, one of which we already decided to dismiss in another thread. The other is that he really, truly needs help that we have failed to give over many months and over the past four and half months in particular. He knows that he needs to see a specialist but denial requires that he persevere without one.
As posters on a basically anonymous chat board we have only two choices: give him attention and help, each in our own way, or to ignore him. Personally, as I've mentioned to him in another thread, I think he's committed to running himself to destruction. I suspect many others are transfixed to the thread wondering how bad it's going to get before we find the happy ending. There isn't going to be a happy ending until JK wants one and that isn't going to happen any time soon.
Yes it was a good post but thsi is not the place (nor should it be!) where people completly untrained in the field. (myself included and I have read several pyche books to help me deal with clients) What he gets into here could make matters much worse so I feel somehow he is being done more of a disservice here than he is being helped even though intentions are good. Jkurz, you have to know this is not normal behavior so why do you insist after all this time......you are essentially on the same path. Please, go get help.wags8 said:
Quad
blut wump
New member
I have to ask why did you get ripped in the first place?
Many train to look good naked so that they can find willing sexual partners; some train to look intimidating; some train because they think that the extra functional strength is healthy; others because they think that some good muscle tone and low BF is healthy; others train for competition and some train just because they enjoy lifting heavy iron.
The question is really why do you want to be ripped? In what way does being ripped contribute to your life? Have you lost sight of the cause and found obsession in a sub-goal? Does being ripped help you find work or help you get laid? You already know that it's not contributing to health. Why do you want to be ripped?
Many train to look good naked so that they can find willing sexual partners; some train to look intimidating; some train because they think that the extra functional strength is healthy; others because they think that some good muscle tone and low BF is healthy; others train for competition and some train just because they enjoy lifting heavy iron.
The question is really why do you want to be ripped? In what way does being ripped contribute to your life? Have you lost sight of the cause and found obsession in a sub-goal? Does being ripped help you find work or help you get laid? You already know that it's not contributing to health. Why do you want to be ripped?
JKurz1
Banned
Wednesday December 6, 2006
6'2, 164LBS,,,,,,,,,
5am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
TRAINING
DELTS
SEATED DBELL PRESS
25X12X2 *WARMUP**
Set 1: 40X12
Set 2: 45x10
Set 3: 50x8 *bump*
Set 4: 55x6 *bump*
Set 5: 55x7
(note: I used to go a lot heavier, but form stunk. Today it was
completely 90 degress, smooth and controlled. Finally felt
the burn
STANDING LATERAL RAISE
15X15
20X12
25X10 <---1 ARM
30X10 1 ARM, 20X10, 10X15 TWO ARM DROPSET
SEATED FRONT SMITH
115X12
135X8
145X7
155X6, 135X8M 115X12
SEATED REAR DELT
20X15
25X12
30X10
FRONT RAISE
(SEATED)
15X15
20X12
25X10
EATING DAY TODAY!
6'2, 164LBS,,,,,,,,,
5am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
TRAINING
DELTS
SEATED DBELL PRESS
25X12X2 *WARMUP**
Set 1: 40X12
Set 2: 45x10
Set 3: 50x8 *bump*
Set 4: 55x6 *bump*
Set 5: 55x7
(note: I used to go a lot heavier, but form stunk. Today it was
completely 90 degress, smooth and controlled. Finally felt
the burn
STANDING LATERAL RAISE
15X15
20X12
25X10 <---1 ARM
30X10 1 ARM, 20X10, 10X15 TWO ARM DROPSET
SEATED FRONT SMITH
115X12
135X8
145X7
155X6, 135X8M 115X12
SEATED REAR DELT
20X15
25X12
30X10
FRONT RAISE
(SEATED)
15X15
20X12
25X10
EATING DAY TODAY!
JKurz1
Banned
THURSDAY DECEMBER 7, 2006
6'2, 164LBS,,,,,,,,,
5am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
well, today was suppose to be well earned off day from the weight room.....first in a while and my body is telling me very quickly that I need to tone back and crank back tomorrow. Eat and recover. However, my meeting in cleveland might be cancelled due to the weather....in which case i will go in after work, do some light legs, chest, and pylos.........
JOKING!!!!!!!!!!I WILL REST REST REST........200G OF CARBS, TONS OF PROTEIN............GET THIS DONE! CLOWNS V. STEELERS TONIGHT......HMM
6'2, 164LBS,,,,,,,,,
5am
20 minutes incline walk
2.8 speed
12% grade
5 minutes at 6% , 4.0 cool down and abs
well, today was suppose to be well earned off day from the weight room.....first in a while and my body is telling me very quickly that I need to tone back and crank back tomorrow. Eat and recover. However, my meeting in cleveland might be cancelled due to the weather....in which case i will go in after work, do some light legs, chest, and pylos.........
JOKING!!!!!!!!!!I WILL REST REST REST........200G OF CARBS, TONS OF PROTEIN............GET THIS DONE! CLOWNS V. STEELERS TONIGHT......HMM
solidspine
New member
Jkurtz
That was a good, one, have a great day,
Solidspine
It is common but I feel your is not "common" I feel a more severe case needs more severe treatment. I stay lean most times but I know about depression. Try tearing your quad and have your nationally competitive great leg go from 30" to 23" in 8 weeks! I cried! But, I am back at heavy weights it seems this year. It can be done but you should take like a week and just eat good clean high nutrient food and rest and sleep as much as you can. then no cardio for awhile heavy intense short sessions ala Dorian....IMHO.JKurz1 said:
Quad
blut wump
New member
I think we already settled earlier in the thread, though, that this emaciated look isn't working for you. Looking good, for you, involves gaining weight. Accordingly, you're not striving to be ripped in order to look good.JKurz1 said:
I'm not just playing with logic here. You need to work out why you feel this need to be unhealthily thin. You know it's not in order to look good.
SgtSlaughter
New member
it's cuz your body knows you're not going to abuse it todayJKurz1 said:
Wow did you really miss the fucking point there. Skinny (emaciated) and shreeded are two different things bro BTW. When I read you said I am going then because I came to the last post first, i thought you meant to get some help. Blut is right, this ios not to look good. You do have OCD also right? Along with your eating disorder. (they go together like peas and carrots)JKurz1 said:
Q.
SgtSlaughter
New member
WOOHOO!JKurz1 said:
Good shit bro! I'm seriously happy for you! One day at a time..
Now make this a weekly occurance, and then take another step...
JKurz1
Banned
WOW....reading those last few threads hit a nerve....it was like Rocky's Theme came on in the background.....off day was fing great, i could do it again tomorrow........I feel stuffed and look off, but my body and muscles are in heaven.
You guys, my promise, I will beat this f-ing thing...what am I trying to prove???? I was a tank...g-damn.
You guys, my promise, I will beat this f-ing thing...what am I trying to prove???? I was a tank...g-damn.
silver_shadow
New member
i think i'm noticing a nice change - you are actually willing to rest too... one of the important parameters in this game
JKurz1
Banned
ok thanks to all.....if I could just figure out the reason I feel like I do, this battle would be over......honestly, the lack of energy, the numbness now in my feet when I stand for a long time, the terrible stomach cramps and pains.....no one can figure it out. Yes, Ive been to the doc and I told him it feels like I am sitting on a balloon in my lower stomach....sent me to a urologist, he said my bladder wasnt emptiying, put me on meds, and that was it....2 years later, I still got it.....so it's something to do with blood a circulation.......hands and feet going numb, low low bp and hr......just doesnt add up.....lack of good sleep? I'm up every 2 hours, everyday.....that an't be healthy...sure I may go to bed at 9, but waking every 2 sucks....maybe I need to stop the smokin a bowl at night thing.....
blut wump
New member
Doctors aren't magical, omniscient beings. They offer their best shot and expect you to go back to them when their best shot didn't work. Some doctors are even incompetent and have a best shot about as good as general advice on a chat board.
If a doctor has failed you then either go back and tell him to try again or get a new one.
If a doctor has failed you then either go back and tell him to try again or get a new one.
yeah...keep resting. As long as you can. A week would be a minimum I would reccomend to a client in your situation and that costs me $$ when I do that. Thats what I did with my woman wheni started training her. I said go home and do not come back here to the gym for a week. oh and eat a lot of meat..I told her that also. She weighed 105# @20% now she is 140# @ like 11%. Rest.JKurz1 said:
Quad
JKurz1
Banned
So what's the Rx for me.....I've learned that I need to fuck myself and start listening to you....you know your shit and I respect that Quad.....coach me....take tomorrow off fine, but then I'm nixing my cheat meal. Let me hit legs and I'll hit the above AND a good take out for dinner.......macaroni grill or papa joes.....
I do not negotiate actually. I do not carew about the cheat meal. Just eat a lot of good food. Just rest a week. Nothing has to be one extreme or another does it? I charge $40-50 per hour for this shit so.....listen for free.JKurz1 said:
Q.
JKurz1
Banned
Im listening....2 off days in a row....can I go train legs if I eat big? I mean big and I'll post it for you........no negotiationing, that's fine........last attempt, how about I train 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off and completely ditch am cardio for this entire week.......this would be a huge step for me and might be over my head, but I'm willing if you are......
solidspine
New member
Kurtz just relax, that’s the ticket take it easy.
