Mr.X, mac69, other gurus... how does this look?

My normal cycle is 250mg test-e/200mg eq per week x12 for recovery and a little RBC boost for endurance sports. I'm making some changes on my next cycle to see how results go and I'd like to get some feedback from the guys out there that know their shit.

Wk 1-12 250mg test-e/400mg eq (split between Mon & Thur)
Wk 13-14 250mg test-e (split between Mon & Thur)

PCT (Starting 1 wk later)

Wk 16-18 1000iu HCG Mon/Wed/Fri & 20mg nolva/day
Wk 19-20 20mg nolva/day

I'll have nolva on hand during cycle also, just in case. Will also use AIFM on cycle for bloat (should this also be used thru pct?). Anything you would add/change?

that cycle looks really good but dont stop EQ at week 12 run it for 14-16 weeks to see the best results from it .. week 12 u will be gettin some of the best effects but y quit go for the 4 more weeks and u will be happy

Double the test and leave the EQ at 400. Run both for 16.

kmoe42 said:

that cycle looks really good but dont stop EQ at week 12 run it for 14-16 weeks to see the best results from it .. week 12 u will be gettin some of the best effects but y quit go for the 4 more weeks and u will be happy

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Yeah, I had considered running the eq for a couple more weeks. I'm planning on running the test for a couple weeks longer while the eq levels come down before starting pct. So I guess I could go 14 weeks eq and 16 weeks test.

Mak, as to your suggestion, I have thought about running higher test levels in the past, but a couple of things have kept me from it. First, I'm not looking to make any major gains. As a triathlete, I need keep my weight in check. I use mainly for recovery enhancement, RBC count, and to keep my strength to weight ratio up. Second, even with 250/wk of test, I still tend to get some bloat, and I figure bumping to 500 would just make it worse. That, too, goes back to not gaining weight I don't need. Not to brush you off or anything, just letting you know where I'm coming from.

Any other input is appreciated. Thanks guys.

running AIFM with your test will eliminate bloat from 250mg test, even at low dose 1 pump per day, slightly higher AIFM dose would allow increase to 500 without bloat

eq at 400 is good, might consider some low dose nandrolone even 100mg a week for tendons and joints. (considering your chosen activities).

hcg can be run that way or 10 days straight, IMO 500iu/day is better though many push for 1000iu (make sure you up your AIFM dosage during this period). AIFM can be run for the duration of cycle and PCT, it can also be run low dose (1 pump per day or EOD) for 4-6weeks after stopping nolva (since thats how long it takes nolva to clear system.

macrophage69alpha said:

running AIFM with your test will eliminate bloat from 250mg test, even at low dose 1 pump per day, slightly higher AIFM dose would allow increase to 500 without bloat

eq at 400 is good, might consider some low dose nandrolone even 100mg a week for tendons and joints. (considering your chosen activities).

hcg can be run that way or 10 days straight, IMO 500iu/day is better though many push for 1000iu (make sure you up your AIFM dosage during this period). AIFM can be run for the duration of cycle and PCT, it can also be run low dose (1 pump per day or EOD) for 4-6weeks after stopping nolva (since thats how long it takes nolva to clear system.

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Hey, great info macro. As I said before, I've never run above 250mg/wk with test. If I do bump it to 500, is that going to be a level where I have to worry about adding lean tissue? I know it's hard to just give a blanket answer here. On 250, I know with the amount of endurance training I do, I don't have to worry about gaining LMT, but it keeps me from losing it. From your experience, is 500 gonna be counterproductive for my goals of merely maintaining lean mass?

I'm not sure the purpose of raising your test dosage. Your goal is not adding mass. I think you should stay where you are. The cycle as you first wrote it makes perfect sense for you.

Ulter said:

I'm not sure the purpose of raising your test dosage. Your goal is not adding mass. I think you should stay where you are. The cycle as you first wrote it makes perfect sense for you.

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Yep, i'm not really anxious to up my test dose. I know that the 250 I've done in the past has given me the results I need with the only sides being some bloat. I'll use the AIFM to combat that. I'm upping the eq to see what the extra amount does for my endurance and recovery. That's the main thing I'm worried about. I believe I will extend it out to look like this though:

wk 1-14 250mg test-e/400mg eq (divided mon/thur)
wk 15-16 250mg test-e (divided mon/thur)

PCT starting week 18

wk 18 for 10 days- 500iu hcg ed/20mg nolva ed
wk 21-22 20mg nolva ed

nolva on hand during cycle if needed, AIFM run from start of cycle through 4 weeks after lost nolva dose as macro recommended.

Thanks for the feedback guys. What's listed above is what I'll go with unless someone says there's a big no-no in there.

hayceed said:

PCT starting week 18

wk 18-20 500iu hcg ed/20mg nolva ed
wk 21-22 20mg nolva ed

nolva on hand during cycle if needed, AIFM run from start of cycle through 4 weeks after lost nolva dose as macro recommended.

Thanks for the feedback guys. What's listed above is what I'll go with unless someone says there's a big no-no in there.

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The cycle looks good except there are few things I would do differently for the pct.
Go 500iu ED for ten days instead of 3 weeks along with 20mg nolva, aifm if you want to, after ten days of hcg take 40mg nolvaf or one week and 20mg for another 3 weeks. You can add clomid throughout hcg and nolva thereapy aswell at 50mg ED aswell, I probably would after neing ON for 16 weeks + hcg

JohnnyWest said:

The cycle looks good except there are few things I would do differently for the pct.
Go 500iu ED for ten days instead of 3 weeks along with 20mg nolva, aifm if you want to, after ten days of hcg take 40mg nolvaf or one week and 20mg for another 3 weeks. You can add clomid throughout hcg and nolva thereapy aswell at 50mg ED aswell, I probably would after neing ON for 16 weeks + hcg

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Thanks J, and you made me catch a mistake too. I meant to change the hcg to 10 days instead of the three weeks. That was left over from the original post... sloppy cut and paste. I'll go back and edit that. I've used clomid before on my first cycle and sides seemed to hit me even at 50mg ed run with a 40-20 taper of nolva. Does anyone else have an opinion on clomid here? My previous cycles have been limited to 12 weeks, so I'm increasing my length 33% here. If the experienced bros here think it's worth the sides for the benefits after 16 weeks, I'd like to hear your input. Or if you all think nolva would suffice run 20mg with the hcg and then 40-20-20-20 after hcg stops, I'll take feedback on all that too. Thanks for the help so far.