Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below LOL. Well, welcome to the internet and weight training. An area where learning about even basic stuff like how to perform an exercise can be rediculously difficult and provide incorrect info.enigma4dub said:mc,
it was my interpretaion of what actually is an rdl that needed clearing up. i was under the impression that what was in the video index was proper execution, now i know thats not the case. thanks
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Anthrax Invasion
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MC, do you see a problem with all backsquats with one variation, and all fronts with another?
glennpendlay
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the "object" of an RDL should be to not change the knee angle significantly during the lift, and to keep the lower back absolutely tight with no loss of arch. some people can go down further than others and keep these things right. Nicu could go all the way to the floor. i coach some guys who can do this, i also coach some who can only go slightly below the knees. go as far down as you can without having round the back or bend the knees past the minumal amount they are bent at the very start of the movement. if you are more flexible, youll end up going further down.
Jim Ouini
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glennpendlay said:
Not to be a quibbler but it looks to me like Nicu and Jesse Marunde (click on 600lb Romanian Deadlift) bend the knees and the arch isn't the same at the end as it is in the beginning in order to lower the bar below the platform, as you describe. Maybe they're doing a 'true' RDL but it seems to have evolved into something legitimately different.
Regardless, now it's got me thinking, what was the purpose of the original RDL? Is there more emphasis on the negative?
Jim Ouini said:
That video isn't like any RDL I've ever seen. That's basically a pure conventional pull with shoulders over the bar and a platform for no ground contact. There's a large amount of leg drive used in raising the bar whereas the hips shouldn't be lowered by the legs but displace backward to allow the torso to lower forward. Obviously, he's a strong guy and there's probably some merrit in a strongman using this technique but it isn't a standard RDL.
Where Jessee is lowering the bar with the legs, Nicu is maintaining knee position and displacing the hips backward rather than down. Obviously with weight the knees are going to move slightly but the idea is to minimize it. Nicu goes down to where his back is flat. As Glenn said ROM will depend upon the lifter - sort of like a goodmorning, some guys can go very far and others just don't have that flexability.
I honestly can't tell you how people might be doing XYZ and calling it a Romanian Deadlift. I just remember reading the original WLUSA article a long time ago (friend's house, taking my postworkout crap - don't ever borrow books from me
). I can't remember Nicu's stated purpose in employing the lift too well, it might not have been presented. Maybe Glenn has a copy of the mag or original article - probably not worth going through any trouble to find it. From what I recall and what I surmise, he just really felt it was valuable for him and I imagine it greatly strengthened his ability to generate power and speed when straightening his back in the 2nd pull. Maybe a weakness of his or allowed better use through balancing supperior leg power. I always loved to watch him lift on video but I've never had access to enough footage or watched him train to really diagnose the issue (to be honest, I wouldn't feel qualified in rendering an opinion even if I had).
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Anthrax Invasion
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LOL - not at all. Heavy fronts are less taxing for a lot of people, that might allow some potential alteration for workload if you are using fronts straight accross. It's just a matter of what you feel you need at the time to get you to whatever goal you have - even if it's just having fun and you like the idea of working hard on your front squat for a bit. I would say that I wouldn't make a habit of neglecting the backsquat for long periods of time, this is a major fundemental builder and maintainer of full body strength.Anthrax Invasion said:
