overweight newbs. read this.

djsf · Nov 27, 2005

RADAR said:
I would also like to add that 16-20 yr olds have enough testosterone flowing in their body to make good use of it, its the diet portion that lacking as we all know kids eat mostly junk hence is why they become discouraged and turn to gear,most teens have trouble with their natural hormonal changes ,moods,short tempers, depression,fusion of their growth plates...etc with out complicatimg themselves by adding more hormones, hence is why roids are given a bad rap as several have committed suicide because they couldn't cope with it.

RADAR

RADAR, I agree with you. 16-20 (or 24) year olds have raging testosterone that we in our 40's and 50's can only be envious of. But what they are lacking is not just good diet, but knowing the body. 20 year olds usually just don't have enough experience to know their own body well enough to maximize their workouts. I have worked out for 23 years and I started getting my best results (pre-aas) in my 21st year of working out, when I was 39 (and presumably with declining testosterone levels). Without AAS I had lots of people asking me if I was using. I was making every second in the gym count for a year straight and I got great results.

If those 16-24 year olds would eat right AND work out right, they would have no need at all for AAS.

juiceddreadlocks · Nov 27, 2005

Mr.X said:
Listen, you're confusing reality with fiction and starting to rehash the same things over and over, which is becoming fruitless.

Steroids ARE NOT tools for someone to 'get in shape'. They are NOT tools for fat-loss or any other obvious body condition that can be fixed with simple diet and exercise.

Now, you can believe what you want and say what you want, and you can claim anything you want, that's your right. However, reality is different. 90% of people who come here do NOT need AS, as they have not done anything naturally to even help themselves, how is AS going to help them?
STEROIDS ARE NOT MAGIC, I repeat: STERODIS ARE NOT MAGIC NOR THE SOLUTION TO EVERY PROBLEM A 30 YEAR OLD HAS.

In your baseless claims you use personal bias to make assumptions that a '30 year old' can use steroids to 'get in shape'. Well, if that's true, why not put every fat and bloated 30-40 year old on steroids, just to have them get in shape. Why not replace simple diet and cardio with tren and fina? NO! YOU come on! Don't give me this B.S.

I'm sure you have your subjective views on this but reality will never change. Studies have shown the benefits of steroids, but not for people who do not need them. If your'e out of SHAPE, it does NOT mean you need steroids. In fact, it is a common belief that uneducated, un-needed steroid use usually leads to all the "horror" stories and complaints - including roid rage, suicide and the list goes on.

I'm tired of re-hashing this to you, same thing over and over. You can believe what you want to believe, and abuse steroids all you want. Albeit, this is my last post to you in this thread as it's wasting my time telling you not to put the cart in front of the horse and face reality.

Obviously you fail to make the correlation between age and declining tesosterone levels as well as the physiological consequences...

What personal bias am I using? My professional bias? Is that it? The physiology I'm credentialed to understand? Edit: I work in a clinic that deals with weight loss

I in no way said for all bloated 30-40 year olds to start juicing. Quit twisting my words around like this. Dont address me like I'm a 10 year old. Your attitude is getting old.

juiceddreadlocks · Nov 27, 2005

That's how to do it mr. X. Claim that "its common thought'' about uneducated seriod use and suicide, but my opinion is subjective baseless claims? Nice wording.

juiceddreadlocks · Nov 27, 2005

ChefWide said:
BUT, if they do their research, if the have proper adivice and monitoring.. it DOES not have to be HRT and you dont have to be cranking your way through a genetic barrier to make AAS use both intelligent and useful IN SOME CASES...

that was my only point.. however i may dilute it, thats the twelfth bar of that blues...

Okay Chefwide, that's the whole point of what I was trying to say. Why couldnt I say it in 3 sentences?

juiceddreadlocks · Nov 27, 2005

ChefWide said:
some of the best posts ever made on this or any other forum are GD's early posts absolutely kicking the stuffing out of Fonz's tall tales of misguided shit..

I used to reread that stuff just to revel in watching fonz wriggle like a slug in salt cellar.

The one of those that comes to mind is the thread about light, cameras, and fonz's pictures.

KidnKorner · Nov 27, 2005

Mr.X said:
lol, you sure you're not talking about Trex from the AF store, look above...about 4 AF store stickies, click one and see for yourself.

there is Trex

there is Thermorexin

Too many people on this board refer to thermorexin as Trex. They are not the same, there is a difference.

KidnKorner · Nov 27, 2005

I am not disagreeing with anyone here about the use of AAS. But I do pose a situation.

The more lean muscle your body has the more calories your body will burn at rest. Is this statement true?

So if some Obese or over weight newb were to be taken under the wing of an AAS guru, and given a AAS cycle, wouldnt he benefit from the cycle, that help to add more lean muscle, therefore burning more calories?

Quadsweeps Sister · Nov 27, 2005

RADAR said:
I would also like to add that 16-20 yr olds have enough testosterone flowing in their body to make good use of it, its the diet portion that lacking as we all know kids eat mostly junk hence is why they become discouraged and turn to gear,most teens have trouble with their natural hormonal changes ,moods,short tempers, depression,fusion of their growth plates...etc with out complicatimg themselves by adding more hormones, hence is why roids are given a bad rap as several have committed suicide because they couldn't cope with it.

RADAR

Such a good reply. The diet in todays young people is so awful and most of us know that nutrition is so important, allowing them to excel and become better athletes, lifters or whatever. Glad to see what you've mentioned here.

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Quadsweeps Sister · Nov 27, 2005

KidnKorner said:
I am not disagreeing with anyone here about the use of AAS. But I do pose a situation.

The more lean muscle your body has the more calories your body will burn at rest. Is this statement true?

So if some Obese or over weight newb were to be taken under the wing of an AAS guru, and given a AAS cycle, wouldnt he benefit from the cycle, that help to add more lean muscle, therefore burning more calories?

I'll never ever think its okay for an obese person, "PERSON" in general - no matter what age to take AAS. First diet and learn nutrition because if there are no medical problems such as thyroid one is being treated for; this is the primary 'problem'. Once the problem is addressed and tackled, then enhancements can be thought about.

To me AAS to an overweight person is much like putting cosmetic dentistry before fixing up the cavities. My two cents.

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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

The success a person achieved in life after life is over is not measured by the material items, wealth or land they acquire. But in the lives they have touched in a positive way and the people who remember them with a fondness and a smile or a tear that they are no longer.
- my brother

Mr.X · Nov 28, 2005

KidnKorner said:
there is Trex

there is Thermorexin

Too many people on this board refer to thermorexin as Trex. They are not the same, there is a difference.

I never even heard of the other product. Here on elitefitness Trex and Thermorexin terms are used in lieu of each other. When anyone says use some Trex and some Lrex, those are all AF store products. This has been the case for years, ever since the AF store came out with the products. Since you've been a member starting October 2005, you obviously didn't know that.

For everyone else, when we say Trex here on EF that's short for Thermorexin from the AF store.

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