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Joe Stenson said:
That's completely false, a properly set-up bodyopus can yield a bodyfat loss of about 1-2lbs. per week and a gain of 0.3lbs. of muscle/week.
It IS optimal to be at lower bodyfat numbers if you are starting an AS cycle.
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krishna said:
This post above is EXACTLY what I agree with and you are more than ready now.....You have an outstanding base and your bodyfat isnt that high.....I also think that you would lose a good deal of bodyfat by running test now and eating clean.....when you are done with the test...you will be very bulked, then you can take a few months off and then do a HUGE CUTTING CYCLE....
Good Luck to you Bro and props to you too...
You guys have to pay more attention in Elite School. Mr X is right about getting rid of fat FIRST, and the funniest statement here, no flame intended, is "I've had a really hard time gaining when i eat too clean, and i've gained the weight by throwing in some "bad" foods on occassion".
That's right you do lose size when you eat clean. You lose FAT. Throw in some junk and presto you're big again. Not LBM big, just fatter. The people posting that you don't want to diet and get your body fat down because you'll lose gains need to spend some time evaluating that mindset. If you cycle the steroids will HAVE NO AFFECT on your body fat mass. And just because you look in the mirror after dieting and see a smaller body doesn't mean you've lost the LBM you've earned by training. It means you are smaller because you've lost your fat mass.
Get rid of the FAT and THEN cycle. Steroids are not a fattasses remedy to a hard body. It doesn't work like that. Not that VW is a fattass by any means. You look great good bro. Just tighten it up a bit before using that test.
That's right you do lose size when you eat clean. You lose FAT. Throw in some junk and presto you're big again. Not LBM big, just fatter. The people posting that you don't want to diet and get your body fat down because you'll lose gains need to spend some time evaluating that mindset. If you cycle the steroids will HAVE NO AFFECT on your body fat mass. And just because you look in the mirror after dieting and see a smaller body doesn't mean you've lost the LBM you've earned by training. It means you are smaller because you've lost your fat mass.
Get rid of the FAT and THEN cycle. Steroids are not a fattasses remedy to a hard body. It doesn't work like that. Not that VW is a fattass by any means. You look great good bro. Just tighten it up a bit before using that test.
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Ulter said:
The reason I said to go ahead is because he is still looking to add some mass. There's not much use to "tighten up" if he still wants to get bigger. That's why I suggested he keep it clean so he can continue to add quality muscle, and not anymore fat. If done right, he could even be cutting fat. Besides, most people who ask about using gear are gonna do it anyway. I mean the guy is old enough, and has enough history in the gym for us to at least give him the best advice on using if he's gonna use anyway. I see where you're coming from though. k to you bro!
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I think everyone reacts different to GEAR I know when I'm done with PCT I've generally lost some BF as well as water(that might also be because I dont do any cardio while on yeah I know shame on me)But yeah ULTER you have a valid point in getting BF down before getting on the GEAR,I just have the habbit of bulking completely then cutting.Just seems to be less stress on my body IMO.Ulter said:
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Ulter said:
You are obviously very educated, but I had one question for you:
If he is going to diet hard to cut out bodyfat, ie...eating 2k-3k or so calories consisting of all chicken breast, tuna, egg whites, baked potatos, brown rice,etc....and riding the bike for a minimum of 1 hour per day------and doing this all while taking TEST and training very hard and heavy, then he will significantly drop bodyfat over the 10 weeks while adding several pounds of Lean Body Mass to his already very good sized bi's??????? Do you agree with this????? (At least this way would be my personal preference, but----
I do understand that if he just dieted his ass off now and got his abs to come in, etc....and then hit the test hard with tons of clean calories he might gain more mass than if he ran the other way, but he-------ah, nevermind--I will wait to hear your opinion......
Thanks for sharing your knowledge bro...its always good to read your posts.....
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coloradosteve
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If you start out at 500mg per week and don't like the bloat and have a hard time managing the sides, you could always cut down to 375 per week. It's not like you're locked into a certain mg per week.
I am looking at his posts from a practical standpoint.
I am not advocating that he diet his ass off. That's the last thing I'd advise for reasons stated above. He'll lose some LBM that he may not have to. I am just looking at the overall picture here. Sure he may be able to cycle and cut like a pro but it’s not likely on a first cycle is it? He says he loses "size" just by eating clean for chrissakes.
At 24 yrs old with the training he is obviously doing, look at him, he can drop 3-5% just by eating clean for a couple months. He will add water and fat during his cycle unless he sees the light that has eluded him up until this point and learns the art of dieting on AS. He has no idea what his diet should look like. So as novice, again no offense to him, he's very likely to phuck it up and gain fat. So let’s say he does not drop body fat and cycles. He’s going to add water and probably A2 fat from the increase in E. Now he’s going to come off and have more work to do to get lean and the whole goal starts back at square one.
I have seen it hundreds of times in the last 5 years on this board. Once a novice starts a diet DURING a cycle he'll quit and start eating when he see he's getting smaller instead of bigger. Because they don't understand "cut" or as some people call it addition by subtraction.
I can cut on that test. I can drop 20 in 8 weeks on that test. But it took me a long time to figure out my body in order to be able to do that. So he’s better off getting closer to his goal before cycling and not wasting the gear.
I am not advocating that he diet his ass off. That's the last thing I'd advise for reasons stated above. He'll lose some LBM that he may not have to. I am just looking at the overall picture here. Sure he may be able to cycle and cut like a pro but it’s not likely on a first cycle is it? He says he loses "size" just by eating clean for chrissakes.
At 24 yrs old with the training he is obviously doing, look at him, he can drop 3-5% just by eating clean for a couple months. He will add water and fat during his cycle unless he sees the light that has eluded him up until this point and learns the art of dieting on AS. He has no idea what his diet should look like. So as novice, again no offense to him, he's very likely to phuck it up and gain fat. So let’s say he does not drop body fat and cycles. He’s going to add water and probably A2 fat from the increase in E. Now he’s going to come off and have more work to do to get lean and the whole goal starts back at square one.
I have seen it hundreds of times in the last 5 years on this board. Once a novice starts a diet DURING a cycle he'll quit and start eating when he see he's getting smaller instead of bigger. Because they don't understand "cut" or as some people call it addition by subtraction.
I can cut on that test. I can drop 20 in 8 weeks on that test. But it took me a long time to figure out my body in order to be able to do that. So he’s better off getting closer to his goal before cycling and not wasting the gear.
