Predator Diet

[PwB]

Anyone looking to experiment with something different might want to give this a try, I developed it and have been successfully losing fat for a few weeks, very rapidly. Its an eating pattern I feel closely mimmics the way humans for the greater part of our existence on earth.
-Its a high protein/low carbohydrate/moderate fat diet. Absolutely no sugar, bread, starches, packaged foods, dairy, grains, wheat, fatty foods. Supplements can be used but try to emphasize a paleolithic eating pattern, natural foods that could be eaten uncooked, and were available during the times when fat burining was optimal, winter season (minimal fruits).
We have some evidence the way humans used to eat, and by looking at primitive cultures as of recent meat is a big part of their diet. We were hunter/gatherers and theres even evidence to suggest we're mainly hunters and gathering took place much later in our history.
Looking at predator animals, they don't eat most of the time, until they hunt their food. They will eat a huge meal, then rest. Hunting is anearobic, like weight lifting, short and intense, then after the hunt they'd eat. So the pattern would be no food, workout and eat a huge meal.
-Diet controls insulin, utilizes glucagon which allows fat to released from fat cells.
-Serge Nubret, Thierry Pastel (2 very successful bodybuilders as well as Rock Marciano ate like this)
-The 2 most recent Ironman magazines had an article called protein pulse, check it out in the newsstands or look protein pulse up on the google search. Basically eating 80% protein in one large meal instead of smaller ones increased protein synthesis by 19% as opposed to the 2.5% increase from just adding protein into smaller meals. He also says the only way to increase protein efficiency is a protein fast (not eating) and muscle contractions (lifting) this plan takes advantage of both these by not eating then eating after the workout (hunt). Studies using protein infusion (injecting aminos in the blood) showed protein synthesis STOPPED after the 2hr mark, so any protein taken in after the initial protein had no effect on muscles, basically it was being wasted in terms of its effect on building muscle.
-protein cant be broken down after only 3 hrs or humans would never have survived for thousands of years, we couldnt always been eating 5-6x day, this idea became popular when MRP's came to the market
-Look at feeding habbits of animals, animals that graze are usually vegetarians grazing on grass, leaves, etc. Carnivores (I know we're omnivores, but we can thrive on an all meat diet, not that I recommend it) eat large meals infrequently, b/c there isn't meat laying around everywhere like there is greens. Humans only animal that grazes eating meat, b/c of modern technology like refrigerators, etc.
-Workout 4x week, I do Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri. Lifting weights (cardio optional, ideally HIIT if used)
Lift hard and heavy, within the 6-8 rep range to maintain muscle mass. Superset exercises with little rest.
ex. Mon Chest and Biceps, Tues Back and Triceps, Thurs. Quads and Hamstrings, Fri. Shoulders and Calves.
ex. superset is 1 set incline DB. Bench Press, no rest, Barbell Curls, 60-90sec rest, repeat.
-Workouts would ideally be after 4pm, most predator animals will hunt for the food in the evening.
-Diet for workout days
Thermogenic if desired, try to avoid coffee as it causes an insulin release, which will stop fat burning
-glutamine if desired, .35g per lb bodyweight before and .35g per lb after workout. Increases muscle mass, glycogen storage, strength, fat burning (Poliquin, Serrano, DiPasquale recommendations)
-optional food during day only if necessary, must not allow insulin response, so ideally lean protein sources supplement with fish oil or flax. Possibly some dark green veggies as well if desired, and nuts.
-After workout
Lean protein, I consume between 2-3 lbs. top round steak.
15-20 fish oil capsules
1lb bag of green beans, broccoli
-Wed, Sat, Sun (nonlifting days)
option A (my choice)-carbs in an evening meal/meals from green vegetables only, no protein
option B-fast, no food at all, increase fat buring,most will think this is crazy, but fasting is absolutely natural and healthy and allows detoxification, etc. which I will discuss later but is too much to get into in this message.
option C-Fast Wed, Sat and have a carb load/or cheat meal Sun night.
-Summary:
General Rules- Ideally 1 meal consumed after workout if possible
1-3g protein per lb. bodyweight
0-50 g carbs from greens (lifting days)
0 or 100-150g carbs on nonlifting days (fast or carb load)
.25-.75 g fat per lb. bodyweight
General ratios:
60-75% protein
25-40% fat
Carbs counted in abolute amount, not in ratio. Recent studies suggest body can store roughly 100g carbs as glycogen
-Lean protein sources:Beef, Turkey, Chicken, Fish, Tuna, Egg w/ Egg whites, Ostrich, Buffalo, Venison, and game meats.
-Fatsrotein foods, fish oils (best), cod liver oil, flaxseed oil, olive oil, coconut, nut butters, nuts (no peanuts or cashews)
Carbs:green vegetables

So there it is, if anyone tries it let me know, I have more to discuss but am short on time, I have a lot more points to bring up and will do so later.
Pete

 

[OMEGA]

bump

 

[PwB]

No feedback?? Come on, no one has anything to comment, argue, anything?? Anyway, maybe if I post some pics in the next few weeks to show the results i'm getting, i'll get some people interested. This is they way we are meant to eat, IMHO. I was just reading more about another Dr. who believes the grazing eating pattern leads to insulin resistance and syndrome X, and even eating fat frequently causes problems. It seems that the liver is meant to be exposed to infrequent feedings, and hasn't adapted to food being eaten all the time. Anyway, i'll post within the nex month to month-1/2 to show how this is working for me.

 

[MS]

So presumably you will eat the raw, glycogen rich liver first, followed by the heart and kidneys if you can scarf it all down before a saber-tooth decides it would like the rest of the leftovers?? And when you don't catch anything for days on end, I guess you'll be eating grasses, sour berries, worms, mushrooms or anything else that will fill your belly without makin' ya sick? Sounds like an ideal plan to me. I hope there's enough prey around for all 6 billion of us predators to live this way.......

 

[PwB]

If I could I actually would eat a completely raw food diet, there's plenty of evidence suggesting it is ideal and there are hospitals in Europe that treat cancer by serving only raw foods. But b/c of the pathetic conditions of Slauterhouses, and an even greater chance of bacteria from the meat sitting at the grocery store for extended periods of time, its wise to cook the outside of the meat.
Thats why I don't eat protein every day, b/c it wasnt available all the time and people can actually improve their health by fasting, but I do sometimes have nuts or green vegetables. About the population thing, I realize that there are more people on this earth, we never could live the same life we did 1,000s of years ago, nor would we want to, but just b/c we can't doesnt mean that the foods available to use naturally aren't the best foods for our health, wellbeing, and physique. Just b/c u don't agree with it doesnt mean it isn't an ideal plan, I never said it will work for everybody, nothing does, but its a logical plan that I've done a lot of thinking on and its doing wonders for me. If u were more open minded you'd be willing to accept other peoples ideas, even if they aren't based on conventional wisdom.

 

[dogboy]

i think you are funny. you are making too many assumptions about the history of man. man is an omnivorous creature by nature. you are also making the mistake of assuming ancestral diets were "healthier." buy a decent book on nutrition from a college bookstore and expand your mind.

 

[PwB]

Well, according to Charles Poliquin (regarded as the most successful strength coach in the world right now) he said in his seminar that knowledge on exercise on nutrition are about 30yrs. behind in colleges and universities, so I wouldn't trust nutrition taught in a college atmosphere (which I've been exposed to already) and I certainly would believe an expert like Poliquin over someone who is called dog boy. I never said this was the perfect approach, I just said it makes sense to me and that it works really well for me and a few others I know that have followed it, really really well. If you do any reading on nutrition you'd know when agriculture started approx. 10,000 years ago, heart disease and most autoimmune diseases came about. Check out Neanderthin, Protein Power, Atkins, The Anabolic Diet, Metabolic Diet, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, people who follow natural diets don't have obesity, high BP, cholestorol, Heart Attacks, Arthritis, etc. like we do. I only posted this approach to tell u guys about something I found that works, and something I believe in.

 

[OMEGA]

hey pwb do not worry about members that rub you the wrong way.

often when others like yourself post new concepts or thoughts, you will often see smart remarks.

do not be mad at these people or resentful.

personally I have been attacked by others, and a couple of days later those same people are cracking jokes with me in the chat area.

don't worry about it.


thank you for your sharing with us.

OMEGA



Ps............how long have you been on this diet of yours?

and have your workouts suffered at all.

and also could you give us a sample "day" for you on your diet, that is clear for us to undrstand.

thanks

 

[MS]

Hey PwB, I'm sorry you took my comments as closed-minded. Far from it. It was merely the name "predator diet" that I found amusing, and comparing modern, highly bred, bacteria ridden, cooked (mainly skeletal muscle) meats and modern cultivars of veggies and fruits (minus insects and soil organic matter) to a diet that our pre-agricultural ancestors would have eaten is, ummmm, ridiculous. I did not say it was not healthy, or that it doesn't work for ya. It is, in principle, the basis of a lot of popular diets such as Atkin's. Aside from the dietary composition is the issue of total calorie intake, and short life expectancies of our pre-ag ancestors which effectively means that nature has not, could not have selected for a diet that was protective for humans into old age. Once we're past breeding age, there is no possibility for natural selection to lead us towards and optimum diet. And infrequent/reduced calorie diets are also not a new concept in terms of increasing lifespan and reducing incidence of heart disease, diabetes and many of the other modern ailments associated with obesity and a sedentary lifestyle. So yes, there's nothing wrong with your plan, but it is not predatory. It may be ideal for you though.

I wasn't even going to reply to this thread, but you're the one who said "No feedback?? Come on, no one has anything to comment, argue, anything". Loosen up a bit?

 

[JustinM]

yo bro, i think you should watch the video or read the book calle flatten your abs forever..it is a paul check video and his ideas are also very redical just as the ones you just described...its an awsome video and will learn a lot..

i like your thinking, have you tried this yourself yet, and with that results??

keep me posted..

peace

 

[PwB]

JustinM and Omega, thanx for the positive feedback. I've been on the diet for about 2 months, my parents have been doing it for over 3 months, and a few clients I train are doing a similar approach b/c of thier busy schedules. My clients have all been getting very good results, my parents both lost a lot of weight, both lost over 40lbs so far, and neither of them were obese, and I personally have been getting leaner and tighter. I have a really tough time losing bodyfat, and have trouble losing fat on pretty much every approach. CKD (I have all the books), low carbs, low fat, BFL, everything. My strength is actually going up in a few lifts, although it is not a big concern for me. It used to be when I was playing football in college (I was a lineman) but now I just want to look good and be healthy. A typical day for me is classes and training during the day. I pretty much just drink water, I've gotten used to not eating and really do have more energy and do feel weighed down from the food I would normally eat. I also love the freedom of not having to carry shakes, tupperwares, etc. like I used to to get a meal in every 2.5-3 hrs. I've followed the conventional approaches and they've failed, at least for me, so I really have given this a lot of thought. Nutrition is my main interest and it's what I spend most of my time reading about. I know this plan is radically different but I know it works, and there are several studies to support such an approach. I usually work out between 7-9 pm, then eat between 2-3 lbs top round steak, 15-20 fish oil capsules and either a bag of almonds or green vegetables. I'll tell u this that I'm young and screw around on the weekends, which has slowed my progress, but when I follow this plan strictly during the week, I get noticebly leaner each day, which is hard for me. The key for me is lean protein, not too much fat, and minimal carbs, the more protein I eat the better I look, so I try to eat as much as possible after my workout. I do plan on posting pics in a few weeks, before and after, b/c I wouldnt be making this stuff up, I'm just trying to help and I alway have been one to question conventional knowledge.
MS, I wasn't trying to argue with u, I respect your knowledge and u have a lot of good posts. I understand commercial beef isn't ideal, and grassfed is superior, but on my limited budget I use what I can. But Eating lean commercial beef is a hell of a lot closer to eating close to nature than all the packaged crap you find in the supermarket, or proccessed deli meats available. Its not perfect but much closer than eating other foods, like I said, a completely natural diet would be very hard to mimic, but the closer one can get, the better. I don't see how people don't realize that agricultural foods are so new to our diet, genetically we're 99.98% the same as we were 150,000 years ago, and 10,000 years of new foods is not enough time for our genetics to change to be able to handle them. I'm not making any of this up, this info comes from anthropologist, Dr.'s, scientists.
About our ancestors short lifespans, 1st off they were shorter mainly b/c of the hardships of life. Life was much tougher, and we weren't protected from wild animals. Also, b/c of modern medicine, vaccinations, less death at birth, our life expectency has increased. People on avg. lived less but if they could survive the hardships they could live a long life, and didn't know of autoimmune diseases, heart problems, or diabetes like most of our population today. But for a better example of this, look at societies that today live on a natural diet. The Masai from Africa, who live soley on Meat, Blood, and Goats milk have a life expectency of 73, like Americans. They don't have the same type of modern medicine we have, eat on Avg. 300g fat a day compared to Americans who consume on avg. 100g, and have perfect blood pressure and cholesterol levels, w/ no heart disease, even into old age. Look at the Intuit, the Eskimos, etc. Check out a book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" and you'll get an idea of the detrimental effects of a modern diet, and how they are reversed when cultures return to their primitive diets.

 

[OMEGA]

quality response, thankyou

 

[velvett]

Hmm sounds interesting.

Let us know the results.


I'm a high protein/complex carb, no sugar/wheat kinda gal so I enjoy these type of conversations.

 

[OMEGA]

would this be an acceptible variation to your diet PwB

have a little fruit spaced startegically throughout the day with tons of water of course, maybe just 4-5 pieces total

like 3 oranges and 2 apples,

and then a huge protien dinner with some veggies if you want?

what do you think....???

would this be too much of a deviation?

I enjoy these types of converations too

 

[PwB]

the issue of fruit is difficult to answer. Fruit has my phytochemicals that are excellent for health, fight cancer, etc. But the problem is modern fruit has been bred over generations to contain far more fructose than would be found naturally. Many Dr.'s, including Dr. Mercola, Dr. Eades (Protein Power), Dr. Connely (Met-RX) believe fructose in high amounts is detrimental to health and leads to obesity. Even though it causes a low insulin release, studies have shown that even over a few weeks it significantly increases insulin resistance in both rats and humans. Another problem is fructose can only be stored as liver glycogen, and skips muscle glycogen going directly into adipose cells as fat. Oranges and Citrus fruits are the most allergenic of any fruit, but again, thats an individual thing, like I said, i'm sensitive to everything, so I eat an orange and I get bloated. The info on Citrus fruits comes from Dr. Mercola. According to Neanderthin, fruit should be kept to a minimum when fat burning is desired. That's b/c fruit is only seasonally available, during the end of the summer when it would be desirable to increase bodyfat somewhat to protect from the cold weather. How true this statement is, i'm not sure. But I think it holds some merit, along with the idea that during the winter months fat burning is at its peak and carbohydrate foods are very limited. So, to my point, I think the idea of having some fruit is great, but depends on your metabolism. Everyone is genetically different, but I think it would be a really good idea, especially if you consume fruits with a low fructose content. If you mainly want to burn fat I would eat only 1 to 2 pieces a day, this is the amount Charles Poliquin adds to his athletes diet. The greater the bodyfat, the less fruit. Low glycemic fruits like apples, berries, nectarines, and plums pre-workout b/c they are low glycemic and grapes, pineapples, and banana's post-workout. Hope this helps.

 

[lonewulf]

Man, I thought I was going to find out what a seven foot, human hunting space alien ate.....

 

[cure]

Man, I thought I was going to find out what a seven foot, human hunting space alien ate.....

HAHA Good one. I thought the same. Diets looks interesting and i'm always willing to try new things but i'm up at 6:00AM and i can't imagine myself not eating any protein until later that evening. I would dry up and die.

 

[dogboy]

Thanks for that vote of confidence in our nation's institutions of higher learning and putting more faith in people who have something to sell you. Let me state this once and for all, ketosis is bad for you - bad, bad, bad.....no matter how much Dr. Atkins wants you to believe it. Always be skeptical of someone who has something to gain by you believing them. As for nutrition info, how advanced has it gotta be??? When a you have a diet high in animal content, it is gonna be high in cholesterol too. As we all know, cholesterol is a good way to end up in the grave early, even for yer "healthy" ancestors.

 

[JustinM]

Thanks for that vote of confidence in our nation's institutions of higher learning and putting more faith in people who have something to sell you. Let me state this once and for all, ketosis is bad for you - bad, bad, bad.....no matter how much Dr. Atkins wants you to believe it. Always be skeptical of someone who has something to gain by you believing them. As for nutrition info, how advanced has it gotta be??? When a you have a diet high in animal content, it is gonna be high in cholesterol too. As we all know, cholesterol is a good way to end up in the grave early, even for yer "healthy" ancestors.

being a bodybuilder doesnt necessarily mean that you are healthy, it means you are trying to get bigger....

 

[PwB]

Dogboy, check out http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm , check out the Protein Power Book, and I'll get a few more sources for you if you wish. That whole BS about cholesterol has never been proven, it's such a joke. The liver produces 80% of cholesterol on its own. It can upregulate or downregulate production depending on your intake. Cholesterol isn't even a fat, it's a waxy alcohol, its vital for our lives, and is a pre-cursor to testosterone. The Masai in Africa are a great example, eating 300g fat a day on average (Americans Average 100g), they eat high cholesterol and have no heart disease, normal cholesterol and high life expectancy. Levels of cholesterol too low are as deadly as those too high, mainly from suicide from overly low cholesterol levels. LDL and HDL levels are far more important than total cholesterol when looking at risk factors, and much of cholesterol levels is genetic. Eating cholesterol does not increase your risk of any disease or death. There's even a study of a man who at 25 eggs a day his whole life and never had high cholesterol levels. This myth has been around for 30 yrs. and the studies that were done were skewed, leaving certain countries out of the study to prove the point that high cholesterol intake is dangerous. Read the facts so you know the truth cholesterol is vital to our survival.

 

[N-10-CITY]

I can see some merit to your argument.

I just want to point a couple of things out:

First of all, the majority of Masai no longer adhere to the strict diet of blood, milk and meat. They consume a lot of "western" processed foods like breads and so on. What affect this has had on their life expectancy and health is not yet known.

As it relates to genetics--how we were "intended" to eat can be inferred from our basic channels of taste information. Evolutionary psychologists generally agree that the following assessments of sense and function are accurate:

Salty: For acquiring foods important for brain and muscle function. Of increased importance when injured (This makes sense due to the fact that sodium is an extremely important extracellular component)

Bitter: For identifying potentially poisonous foods. In general, most poisons have a bitter taste.

Sweet: Mother's milk is sweet, and the sweet sense is important for initiating nursing. In addition, it is important for ripened fruit acquisition (see related note below).

Sour: This sense is important for detecting unripe fruit.

*The interplay between sweet and sour seems to implicate a large importance of fruit due to the fact that 50% of our taste senses are associated with fruit.


Just thought I'd put another spin on this whole "natural foraging diet".

I'd also like to point out that our ancestors who employed a foraging subsistence pattern had the lowest number of hours of labor and the highest number of hours for leisure time. Hence, they have been coined "the original affluent society" because they had more time for leisure than every other pattern of subsistence (Horticulture, Pastoralism, Agriculture, Industrialism). So it would be inaccurate to say that they "worked" any harder than we do today; in fact they worked considerably less.

 

[missyd143]

hey i kinda have a problem ? about this diet...not eating all day but just one big proteinmeal? what are u nutz? wouldnt u catobolize muscle tissue and use muscle as fuel because u are in starvation mode..correct me if im wrong but i think goinf wit food for more than 4 hours is bad...and no fat or carbs ? what diet is this ? is this a joke? someone agree..

 

[PwB]

http://musclemonthly.com/print/000801-mcdonald-body-talk.htm , this article is somewhat, although not completely relevant. It compares 4 vs. 6 meals and studies have shown no difference in weight loss, all calories and macro's equal. One interesting comparison was comparing a diet where people stopped eating 6pm vs. later, the people who stopped eating earlier in the evening (6) lost more weight, but they both lost the same amount of fat so those who stopped eating at 6 lost more muscle than those who ate later into the evening.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/dec/5/cutting_calories.htm , just an article on cutting calories and it's effect on increasing lifespan, although many arent interesting in this.
http://www.lef.org/dsnews/dsaug99.html , scroll down to "Improved Nitrogen Balance by Protein Pulse Feeding", this is an example of how protein synthesis increases when you eat a large protein meal as opposed to several small ones, like I stated in my original post. http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/protein-pulse-feeding.htm , and another site providing the same information, CHECK THIS ONE OUT.

Missyd143, The idea about needing protein every 3-4 hours is ludicrous and is a great endorsement from supplement companies to make them rich. At no time in our history would our bodies require eating protein several times a day, or our body would go into a catabolic state. If this were true then we would never have made it to where we are today, we would all have died from starvation, muscle catabolism, etc. The fact is that humans used to be overall very lean, muscular, and energetic. If you check out the last 2 links, and this months as well as lasts Ironmag magazine, you would see that even with amino acid infusion (injecting aminos right into the blood) the muscles would be anabolic for up to 2 hours then become desensitized, absorbing no more protein into the muscles, the receptors become desensitized, much like with insulin resistance. The only ways to resensitize the muscles is to do a protein fast or intense muscular contractions (lifting). The body would not sense starvation b/c it isn't meant to be constantly given foods, there's no doubt detoxification and fasting are healthy and allow the body to clean itself out, ridding itself of toxins, dead cells, bodyfat, etc. I never said no fat or carbs, I suggested what most others suggest for fat loss, low carbs, up to 50g per day with an optional carb load every 3rd and forth day, in terms of fat fats should come from lean protein, nuts if desired, and fish oils and olive oil if desired. I meant low fat as in low animal fat, while supplementing with EFA's. I know this sounds radical but before you truly judge it, you should give it a fair chance. It's radically different from whats normally recommended, but it makes sense and it works, it may not for everyone, but it's an alternative for those who struggle to lean out.
N-10-City, you have a lot of great points and you obviously know what your talking about. You are correct about the Masai's diet, it has changed, but the research done on them and their excellent health was conducted when they followed their natural diet. I can't say factually state what is happening to them with the inclusion of breads, etc., but check out a book called "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration", and see how EVERY society that goes from a primitive, natural diet to a MODERN diet, has a remarkable deacrease in health, changes in tooth structure, increase in diabetes, obesity, etc, and when the modern diet is abondoned these same individuals regain their health. Even check out the reviews at Amazon for a glimpse of what it says. I that there was a lot of leisure time available to us in the past, but at the same time we traveled everywhere by foot. Today most sit in offices and drive around everywhere they go, A friend of mine just got back from Italy and lost a ton of weight, not working out at all, just b/c she said she had to walk everywhere she went. She said it was exhuasting, and this woman is in very good shape to begin with. Our situation is so bad in the modern world that people are actually walking on treadmills as a form of exercise, it's insane. But regardless, I wasn't saying we worked more or less, just that there are parallels between the act of hunting (which would have been anaerobic) and lifting weights. So that a hunt would give us a similar hormonal, muscle response then we would eat what was hunted, when our muscles are primed for protein, just like any other predatory animal.
Again, there's room for individuality, but I am just presenting an outline of another approach to fat loss, and giving as much evidence as possible to support it since it is so different.

 

[PwB]

http://www.mercola.com/2001/dec/12/syndrome_x.htm , just wanted to add this one too.
"Evidence is emerging also that our "grazing" pattern of eating could partly explain why syndrome X is on the increase. Zammit believes that eating too frequently could be one of the triggers that turns your liver into a relentless fat-secreting machine."
Quoted from the article, and there's an explanation of why this is believed.

 

[Exodus]

all i know is this

primative man ate to survive not to build lean body mass and enter a bodybuilding contest

and if my college serves me correctly........ i dont think they had a very long life span from eating all the raw food

species adapt over time......... we cannot act like our ancestors

X

 

[PwB]

Exodus, we split from Chimpanzee's 4 million years ago, and there is less than a 1% difference in our DNA compared to them, small changes take a ridiculous amount of time to take place. Our species started walking upright 4 million years ago, our our current gene pool is no different than when we existed 150,000 years ago. We don't adapt that fast at all, and agriculture only started 10,000 years ago, a blink of the eye in terms of history. Never was our diet intended to consist of grains, processed carbs, large amounts of sugar, etc. Death then was from the hardships of life, hunting, and disease that is cured from todays medicine. Lifespan could be much greater but life was much different, people didnt die young b/c they followed a natural diet that we were always intended to eat. Again, look at people who follow a natural diet (like the Masai, Intuit) in recent history and you see they have as great a lifespan munus our modern medicine.
I totally agree they didnt work towards building muscle, but muscle is very natural to use, regardless if we work out or not. The fact is overall people had considerable more muscle mass than the avg. person today, of course we are different b/c we work out and watch what we eat.

 

[missyd143]

hey so is the answer is yes...? do we need to eat every 3 hours or just 2 big protein meals lol

 

[OMEGA]

If any thing PwB

the primitive diet would have probably looked more like this,

I think it's a comprimese that makes alittle more sense.

meals

1 a piece or 2 of fruit

2 a piece of fruit

3 a piece of fruit

4 a piece of fruit

5 a huge serving of protien, no fruit.


this would mimic much more effectively the eating pattern of a hunter on the "hunt"


also when you consider that over 70 percent of our taste buds are geared towards the recognition of fruit tastes. look at a diagram of the taste buds

 

[N-10-CITY]

It's also important to recognize that the image of "Man the Hunter" has been recognized by anthropologists as an inaccurate, ethnocentric, and androcentric view of foraging subsistence. Foragers did VERY little hunting initially. They actually were more like scavengers who ate the remains of animals after predators had their fill (i.e. stumble across the remains of an Impala after Lions have killed it and eaten what they wanted, and then fight off the Vultures and Hyenas to get a few scraps). So meat was not generally(*) a part of their diet on a daily basis; they were at the mercy of natural deaths and predation.

(*)Obviously there were also some bands who were lucky enough to live near a large body of water who had the potential to procure high quality protein more readily.

 

[missyd143]

does anyone agree with eating one big 150 or more grams of protein meal after working out to get lean? i need feedbAck cause i disagree..why does all those fitness mags say 6 lil protein rich meals? i Dunno anymore ...whats goin on

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Vey interesting thread!

This goes in line with what animal writes (anyone got a link?) about the frequent intake of meals merely causing unnecessary insuling spikes.

The main benefit I hear from 6+ meals a day when dieting is to maintain a high metabolism, but I think morning workouts/cardio sessions elevate metabolism throughout the day significantly so that you don't have to eat all the time in order to maintain an elevated metabolism.

Maybe 3-4 times a day is enough to minimize muscle catabolism. Also ingesting good quality casein protein that metabolises slower will help too, but fewer servings to reduce unnecessary insuling excretion.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

all i know is this


species adapt over time......... we cannot act like our ancestors

X

True, but do we adapt for the better or worse?

Reduced muscle mass, increased estrogen...ugh.

Your body adapts to the lifestyle it is subjected to. Sitting in an office all day and on a couch all evening does not promote muscle growth because it is not needed.

Lifting weigts artificially promotes muscle growth through simulated work, so in sorts this is acting like our ancestors who used their body more on an everyday basis.

 

[cockdezl]

"Thanks for that vote of confidence in our nation's institutions of higher learning and putting more faith in people who have something to sell you. Let me state this once and for all, ketosis is bad for you - bad, bad, bad.....no matter how much Dr. Atkins wants you to believe it. Always be skeptical of someone who has something to gain by you believing them. As for nutrition info, how advanced has it gotta be??? When a you have a diet high in animal content, it is gonna be high in cholesterol too. As we all know, cholesterol is a good way to end up in the grave early, even for yer "healthy" ancestors."

As a graduate of an institute of higher learning, I can tell you that I have acquired more knowledge outside the walls of my college than from within. And having partaken in many courses of nutrition, I can comfortably tell you that they are some of the worst classes offered in terms of accurate and current information. More often than not, they are simply regurgitations of archaic and incorrect dogma created by government agencies, not up-to-date research.

Please give us a technical explanation of how ketosis is "bad, bad, bad...".

 

[MR. BMJ]

"Thanks for that vote of confidence in our nation's institutions of higher learning and putting more faith in people who have something to sell you. Let me state this once and for all, ketosis is bad for you - bad, bad, bad.....no matter how much Dr. Atkins wants you to believe it. Always be skeptical of someone who has something to gain by you believing them. As for nutrition info, how advanced has it gotta be??? When a you have a diet high in animal content, it is gonna be high in cholesterol too. As we all know, cholesterol is a good way to end up in the grave early, even for yer "healthy" ancestors."

As a graduate of an institute of higher learning, I can tell you that I have acquired more knowledge outside the walls of my college than from within. And having partaken in many courses of nutrition, I can comfortably tell you that they are some of the worst classes offered in terms of accurate and current information. More often than not, they are simply regurgitations of archaic and incorrect dogma created by government agencies, not up-to-date research.

Please give us a technical explanation of how ketosis is "bad, bad, bad...".

Well shiaaat...Look what the cat dragged in. Damn dezl nice hearin' from ya man. What the heck have you been up to? Stop by more...I miss those dissected posts...lol. Take it easy man.

BMJ

 

[PwB]

It's been a while since i've responded to this. Anyway, the program is working well, although I definitely got sidetracked during the holidays. I'm constantly trying to optimize this plan and I am experimenting.
Omega, I do agree to a point what you believe was the way we ate, with fruit being eaten througout the day. But many also believe we gathered mainly leaves and nuts, so our fruit intake may not have been so high. Another factor would be where you lived, in warmer climated where fruit was more readily available or colder when fruit is only available for a smaller part of the year. Another factor that can't be discounted is fruit in it's present state isn't like fruit from years past, it's been bred to contain far more fructose than it did have in nature. Fruit was closer to something like a crab apple than the sweet fruit you find today, I don't think we ingested that much fructose.
N-10-CITY, in books like protein power, Neanderthin, and experts on Paleo diets like Loren Cordain, we were actually very efficient hunters for most of our history and there's even strong evidence talked about in Protein Power that we were mainly hunters and gathering came about later. Of course we can't be certain exactly was eaten since we weren't there, but when looking at our nutritional needs, carbon tests of our ancestors fossils, diets of modern day primitive societies, and diets of other animals we can come to some conclusions.
nikolai_bolkov I do agree with you our lifestyle has changed for the worse, in terms of our health and physiques. People are no doubt meant to be active creatures, it's sad some people have never worked out a day in their lives. Of course this isn't the case for members of this site b/c we're here to improve ourselves by using the muscles we were born with that are meant to be used. B/c most of use have a sedentary life working out in a way mimics the way we are meant to use our bodies in nature. Again, to build muscle and lose fat, the ideal stimulus is anaerobic training, which is in modern days lifting, HIIT, sprinting, Interval Training, etc., and in days past intensive labor and hunting. After the work of the day is done, or hunt is finished, we would eat. It's like other predator animals in nature who chase their prey and eat a huge amount. I know we're not lions, but they grow up to 450lbs of solid muscle, and they seem to do fine not eating protein every few hours, as well as wolves, etc. Check out The Caveman Cuisine or Protein Power, the comparison chart of man vs. wolved and sheep, comparing digestive tracts of each. We're much closer to wolves than we are to sheep when it comes to dealing with food, which is also a reason why man developed such a strong bond with these animals, which became dogs. B/c we complimented each other well in hunting food, and we sought the same food thus allowing this relationship to form, thus our modern connection with "mans best friend"

 

[harris81]

Years old thread, i know, but is anyone still using this or can anyone post experiences on this diet? Considering the magnitude of fasting now this article seems like a fountain of knowledge
Cheers