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Test prop + Var + cutting + creatine?

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Okay bros, times up. I'm gonna be starting my cutter soon and figured i'd add 5 gms of creatine ed throughout cycle as it is supposed to be doing wonders added to any cycle contyaining Var. True?

Cycle's gonna be,

Test prop 100mgs eod - 12 weeks
Var - 60mgs ed - weeks 6 - 13
hcg - 300ius every 4th day - weeks 2 - 12

Will creatine benefit me at all in my calorie depleted state? Anyone done this before? Results?

Thanks bros...
 
Okay bros, times up. I'm gonna be starting my cutter soon and figured i'd add 5 gms of creatine ed throughout cycle as it is supposed to be doing wonders added to any cycle contyaining Var. True?

Cycle's gonna be,

Test prop 100mgs eod - 12 weeks
Var - 60mgs ed - weeks 6 - 13
hcg - 300ius every 4th day - weeks 2 - 12

Will creatine benefit me at all in my calorie depleted state? Anyone done this before? Results?

Thanks bros...

There is anecdotal evidence which links creatine use with anavar as a possible synergetic combination helping to increase results. Either way, it wouldn't hurt to add creatine to your cycle, no matter if you're using anavar or any other anabolic.

Your cycle needs a bit of redoing:
week 1-12
Test prop 100mgs EOD
arimidex 0.5mgs ED

week 1-6
anavar 60mgs ED

PCT: Clomid/nolvadex
 
There is anecdotal evidence which links creatine use with anavar as a possible synergetic combination helping to increase results. Either way, it wouldn't hurt to add creatine to your cycle, no matter if you're using anavar or any other anabolic.

Your cycle needs a bit of redoing:
week 1-12
Test prop 100mgs EOD
arimidex 0.5mgs ED

week 1-6
anavar 60mgs ED

PCT: Clomid/nolvadex

Why do you put the Var in the 1st 6 weeks bro?

And adex ED?

Please explain bro...just wanting to know your point of view :rose:
 
I have to disagree.
I highly doubt the need for arimidex with only 300-350mg of test. I guess it's always good to have on hand but even for highly sensitive people, everyday dosing is not needed.
Secondly, if the guy is using propionate ester he doesn't need a jumpstart. He'll notice it right away. I would run the anavar for the last 6 weeks to give him a boost towards the end of the cycle. Not only to solidify gains, but also to keep the momentum going after 6 weeks of diet, training and so forth. Adding a second compound later in the cycle will keep his drive up and he won't get stagnant.
Just my opinion. Also, 12 weeks of prop is a bitch bro. No reason not to get some enth or cyp. It all works the same. No reason being a pin cushion if you dont have to.
Good luck
 
Okay bros, times up. I'm gonna be starting my cutter soon and figured i'd add 5 gms of creatine ed throughout cycle as it is supposed to be doing wonders added to any cycle contyaining Var. True?

Cycle's gonna be,

Test prop 100mgs eod - 12 weeks
Var - 60mgs ed - weeks 6 - 13
hcg - 300ius every 4th day - weeks 2 - 12

Will creatine benefit me at all in my calorie depleted state? Anyone done this before? Results?

Thanks bros...
The latest study's seem to show that its not only water weight, but actually contributes to increased sattelite cell activity to cause a hyperplasia of sorts in reaction to excercize. in other words helps build new muscle cells

creatine is synergistic with dbol and also with anavar, just via different mechanisms. with dbol, more creatine will find its way to muscle cells by taking advantage of dbol's powerful glycogen supercompensation and retention effects

In any case, the increased water weight means bigger muscle, bigger muscle means more leverage, more leverage means more weight can be lifted = more size being built

Creatine has two significant functions for bodybuilders. First of all, creatine increases the size, or volume of muscle cells, which is the amount of water each cell can hold. The second important purpose of creatine is that it provides muscle cells with quick energy in the form of ATP (Adenosine triphosphate), which is absolutely indispensable to execute muscle building exercises. Having extra ATP within the muscle cells will permit to perform more repetitions than you normally could, which translates into better muscle growth..

Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle..

Get a cheap but effective creatine both flavored and non flavored. Take 5g with your protein shake after work outs and a flavored brand threw out the day... Trust me you will notice the difference. :D
 
I have to disagree.
I highly doubt the need for arimidex with only 300-350mg of test. I guess it's always good to have on hand but even for highly sensitive people, everyday dosing is not needed.
Secondly, if the guy is using propionate ester he doesn't need a jumpstart. He'll notice it right away. I would run the anavar for the last 6 weeks to give him a boost towards the end of the cycle. Not only to solidify gains, but also to keep the momentum going after 6 weeks of diet, training and so forth. Adding a second compound later in the cycle will keep his drive up and he won't get stagnant.
Just my opinion. Also, 12 weeks of prop is a bitch bro. No reason not to get some enth or cyp. It all works the same. No reason being a pin cushion if you dont have to.
Good luck

You've sounded every thought of mine bro. And this was exactly what i was going to do anyway lol. Only, i wanted to run the prop as i heard and read that it gives lesser bloat and even with the prop i was intending on running the adex at maybe .25mgs eod. And the Var is something i'll run for 8 weeks straight. From the 5th - the 12vth.
 
The latest study's seem to show that its not only water weight, but actually contributes to increased sattelite cell activity to cause a hyperplasia of sorts in reaction to excercize. in other words helps build new muscle cells

creatine is synergistic with dbol and also with anavar, just via different mechanisms. with dbol, more creatine will find its way to muscle cells by taking advantage of dbol's powerful glycogen supercompensation and retention effects

In any case, the increased water weight means bigger muscle, bigger muscle means more leverage, more leverage means more weight can be lifted = more size being built

Creatine has two significant functions for bodybuilders. First of all, creatine increases the size, or volume of muscle cells, which is the amount of water each cell can hold. The second important purpose of creatine is that it provides muscle cells with quick energy in the form of ATP (Adenosine triphosphate), which is absolutely indispensable to execute muscle building exercises. Having extra ATP within the muscle cells will permit to perform more repetitions than you normally could, which translates into better muscle growth..

Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle..

Get a cheap but effective creatine both flavored and non flavored. Take 5g with your protein shake after work outs and a flavored brand threw out the day... Trust me you will notice the difference. :D

Done bro :beer:
 
I have to disagree.
I highly doubt the need for arimidex with only 300-350mg of test. I guess it's always good to have on hand but even for highly sensitive people, everyday dosing is not needed.

You have all the right to your opinion, but running aromatizing steroids without an AI is a recipe for serious health problems, including cancer. It's medically proven that nasty estrogenic side effects such as gynecomastia (bitch tits), hypertension (high blood pressure), fat gains, benign prostatic hyperplasia (increased prostate size which can lead to cancer) and a myriad of other problems are associated with high estrogen levels. While a small percentage of steroid users has less estrogen receptors in the body (which means less chances of side effects like gyno), it doesn't mean your serum estrogen levels are not high during a cycle. Aromatization is still happening and your body is still overall effected by high estrogen levels, which can lead to serious health problems.

While I agree that having letrozole on hand during each cycle, in case of gynecomastia, is feasible; another AI such as arimidex or aromasin should be used throughout the cycle in this case.
 
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