Dermacrine - The New Legal PCT Product - KICKS ASS!

[mm107]

Ok all, i know the product Dermacrine has been getting hassled. Alot of people out there dont like change, which is fine, but now its time for those to step back and realize that science happens everyday and we find new things out daily.

Here is my situation:

Last cycle: (i wanted 500, but was overdosing the syringe)
600mg/Test E / Week 8 weeks

PCT was HCG @ 500 i.u day for 14 Days after last shot.

****
WHEN I SENT IN MY SALIVA TESTING, I TOOK MY HCG(LAST SHOT) AND THEN DID MY SALIVA, NOT REALIZING THE HCG WILL CAUSE MY SALIVA TO SHOW HIGH LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE
****

My Levels while on my last shot of HCG was:
Estrone: 4.9
Testosterone: 444
DHEA: 32.4

Now i finished up my bottle of Dermacrine, i was asked not to post my results untill i had everything finished, which i waited....

The makers of dermacrine and I figured it would confuse people, if they did not know i was on HCG for my saliva testing. We wanted to see my levels after the bottle and see if the Dermacrine helped me get into 'normal' levels and stay there.

Well after my bottle of Dermacrine was finished here are my results:
Estrone: 5.0
Testosterone: 361 (normal rangers are 44-148) so this kept my Test 8x the lowest normal level. I am please and amazed with the results
DHEAS: 89

Here is a scanned copy of my results:

SO ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS SKEPTICAL ABOUT DERMACRINE LOOK AT THE FUCKING RESULTS FELLAS! DERMACRINE WILL BE PART OF MY PCT FROM NOW ON.

NOW WITH THESE RESULTS I AM PROUD TO HAVE THE PRIMORDIAL PERFORMANCE BANNNER!​

 

[a creed]

Oh................

 

[mookie]

Why did you only do test e for 8 weeks? Did they have the test done for you?

 

[mm107]

Why did you only do test e for 8 weeks? Did they have the test done for you?

i wanted 10 weeks, but was overfilling my syringe (newbie mistake)

They sent me the saliva kits, which i had to mail to the private lab, i had to sign release forms and all (since i was from NY)

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok all, i know the product Dermacrine has been getting hassled. Alot of people out there dont like change, which is fine, but now its time for those to step back and realize that science happens everyday and we find new things out daily.

Here is my situation:

Last cycle: (i wanted 500, but was overdosing the syringe)
600mg/Test E / Week 8 weeks

PCT was HCG @ 500 i.u day for 14 Days after last shot.

****
WHEN I SENT IN MY SALIVA TESTING, I TOOK MY HCG(LAST SHOT) AND THEN DID MY SALIVA, NOT REALIZING THE HCG WILL CAUSE MY SALIVA TO SHOW HIGH LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE
****

My Levels while on my last shot of HCG was:
Estrone: 4.9
Testosterone: 444
DHEA: 32.4

Now i finished up my bottle of Dermacrine, i was asked not to post my results untill i had everything finished, which i waited....

The makers of dermacrine and I figured it would confuse people, if they did not know i was on HCG for my saliva testing. We wanted to see my levels after the bottle and see if the Dermacrine helped me get into 'normal' levels and stay there.

Well after my bottle of Dermacrine was finished here are my results:
Estrone: 5.0
Testosterone: 361
DHEAS: 89

Here is a scanned copy of my results:

SO ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS SKEPTICAL ABOUT DERMACRINE LOOK AT THE FUCKING RESULTS FELLAS! DERMACRINE WILL BE PART OF MY PCT FROM NOW ON.

NOW WITH THESE RESULTS I AM PROUD TO HAVE THE PRIMORDIAL PERFORMANCE BANNNER!​

nice bro....I was wondering if derma was going to be able to keep your test up that high....I would think you test is still going to come down some and so will your estro but its plain to see it kept them up and now you will not crash.

 

[skullcrushin22]

This stuff is the real deal. Needto's saliva tests prove it too. I am finishing up Dermacrine but I did not get tested but I can tell I have a rise in test due to increase in sex drive and aggression in the gym.

 

[rompperstomper]

Ok all, i know the product Dermacrine has been getting hassled. Alot of people out there dont like change, which is fine, but now its time for those to step back and realize that science happens everyday and we find new things out daily.

Here is my situation:

Last cycle: (i wanted 500, but was overdosing the syringe)
600mg/Test E / Week 8 weeks

PCT was HCG @ 500 i.u day for 14 Days after last shot.

****
WHEN I SENT IN MY SALIVA TESTING, I TOOK MY HCG(LAST SHOT) AND THEN DID MY SALIVA, NOT REALIZING THE HCG WILL CAUSE MY SALIVA TO SHOW HIGH LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE
****

My Levels while on my last shot of HCG was:
Estrone: 4.9
Testosterone: 444
DHEA: 32.4

Now i finished up my bottle of Dermacrine, i was asked not to post my results untill i had everything finished, which i waited....

The makers of dermacrine and I figured it would confuse people, if they did not know i was on HCG for my saliva testing. We wanted to see my levels after the bottle and see if the Dermacrine helped me get into 'normal' levels and stay there.

Well after my bottle of Dermacrine was finished here are my results:
Estrone: 5.0
Testosterone: 361
DHEAS: 89

Here is a scanned copy of my results:

SO ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS SKEPTICAL ABOUT DERMACRINE LOOK AT THE FUCKING RESULTS FELLAS! DERMACRINE WILL BE PART OF MY PCT FROM NOW ON.

NOW WITH THESE RESULTS I AM PROUD TO HAVE THE PRIMORDIAL PERFORMANCE BANNNER!​

so your test levels fell your estrogen increased .Pretty common for finishing up pct

your dhea levels went up big deal its obvious it did not convert to test 361 is pretty average for anyone that just did hcg

I was hoping to see the test stay as high or just a bit lower .

looks like the testosterone boosting properties have no merit . Just go take 100mg of dhea a day for 30 cents a tab.. if you want to raise dhea
with test results like that your actually gonna kill all the sales.
you should just delete your results and hope others come along with better results . someone with a actual low test level and see if the product will raise the test .

next step is to test your saliva one more time 2 weeks after your done with the deram and watch the numbers fall as the hormone levels are not being pumped into the body . It was a good try but results sell products popping a boner and being agressive is not always due to testosterone dhea is a androgen and can cuase sexual desire and agression

 

[Primordial Performance]

Your mis-interpreting the levels.

Those levels are “free bioavailable” test in the saliva… your thinking of “total test” in blood. The range of which is 250-1150 ng/dl.

If you did the conversion, you would see that his total test levels where WAY above the normal range after the hCG (about 1900 ng/dl after the conversion) and after the dermacrine his levels where still way above the high normal range of about 1500 ng/dl. (total test in blood)

These results are very good.

-Pp

 

[CO B-man]

I would be happy to test dermacrine and report results positive or negative if you want to send me a bottle. I will even pay for it if the tests proves it works. Only deal is that I will get blood tested. I will be honest of all results. Deal?

I will use absolutely nothing else. no Hcg no clomid, nolvadex absolutely nothing but dermacrine

 

[Primordial Performance]

I would be happy to test dermacrine and report results positive or negative if you want to send me a bottle. I will even pay for it if the tests proves it works. Only deal is that I will get blood tested. I will be honest of all results. Deal?

I will use absolutely nothing else. no Hcg no clomid, nolvadex absolutely nothing but dermacrine

Hmm...

And would you tell those guys off over on DB.com?

-Pp

 

[CO B-man]

Hmm...

And would you tell those guys off over on DB.com?

-Pp

No, I have a LOT of respect for Drrman. I always have said and I have mentioned it to him that not always do I think he has tact, but you never have to guess what he thinks of you. And most importantly he has always told me like it is and has never steered me in the wrong direction and trust in this game is HUGE as you know. He even realizes he lacks the tact sometimes, but thats what makes him who he is. I am sure if you two met under different circumstances then you would have gotten along just fine. I will say that it works to him by showing him the results but as far as "telling them off" thats not gonna happen.

btw I have not been off cycle for I think about a year. should be a really good tester.

 

[solidspine]

So the bottom line is you can simply take Dermacrine for your pct?

In your study, did you take Nolvadex with the hcg?

Ok about the test results,


But how are your nuts, did they come back, did they go away, how are they?

Do you think the dermacrine will help you maintain your gains, and how were your gains?


Thanks

 

[Primordial Performance]

I didn’t really mean “Tell them off”… just meant…. tell them its not snake oil. :tears:

So what would the results have to be to show you that “it worked”?

-Pp

 

[CO B-man]

I didn’t really mean “Tell them off”… just meant…. tell them its not snake oil. :tears:

So what would the results have to be to show you that “it worked”?

-Pp

Well, what do you claim it will do? Sounds like I do not have to do anything else to but dermacrine for PCT according to this thread topic. I realize you did not start this thread but if this is what is what you claim this stuff will do then that will be the proof. meaning it will basically need to get me back on track just like either clomid & Hcg or nolvadex would do. Is it claimed that this stuff will bring the boys back in size only during a cycle? as quick as hcg etc. You tell us what it will do I will tell you and everyone what it did or did not do to me. I will post a thread asking what people want me to report on and I will report on it.

And yes I will tell them it is not snake oil if it works.

 

[ole farte']

^^^sounds like an honest offer

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Need to get some and give it a pop

 

[mm107]

so your test levels fell your estrogen increased .Pretty common for finishing up pct

your dhea levels went up big deal its obvious it did not convert to test 361 is pretty average for anyone that just did hcg

I was hoping to see the test stay as high or just a bit lower .

looks like the testosterone boosting properties have no merit . Just go take 100mg of dhea a day for 30 cents a tab.. if you want to raise dhea
with test results like that your actually gonna kill all the sales.
you should just delete your results and hope others come along with better results . someone with a actual low test level and see if the product will raise the test .

next step is to test your saliva one more time 2 weeks after your done with the deram and watch the numbers fall as the hormone levels are not being pumped into the body . It was a good try but results sell products popping a boner and being agressive is not always due to testosterone dhea is a androgen and can cuase sexual desire and agression

yes i know this, please read my post again, i administered 500 iu on the day i sent in my saliva, so my test was very high, the main point of my testing was to see if the dermacrine could keep my levels ABOVE normal.

my estrone could also be high due to i am a chronic herb smoker =], as i know it raises estrogen a bit (even tho i believe there is a study to disprove it)

all in all im very very pleased with the results

 

[tshoot]

Who does the saliva tests and how much do they cost? I wouldn't mind trying this after my cycle to see what the results are.

 

[mm107]

well, the kit is from primordial performance...

www.primordialperformance.com

they are pricey, but the price includes the testing fees..

 

[tshoot]

Thanks mm107

 

[mm107]

Thanks mm107

np

 

[needtogetaas]

Well, what do you claim it will do? Sounds like I do not have to do anything else to but dermacrine for PCT according to this thread topic. I realize you did not start this thread but if this is what is what you claim this stuff will do then that will be the proof. meaning it will basically need to get me back on track just like either clomid & Hcg or nolvadex would do. Is it claimed that this stuff will bring the boys back in size only during a cycle? as quick as hcg etc. You tell us what it will do I will tell you and everyone what it did or did not do to me. I will post a thread asking what people want me to report on and I will report on it.

And yes I will tell them it is not snake oil if it works.

I think thats what about 100 people have already bin doing but fuck it whats one more.lol

 

[njmuscleguy]

meaning it will basically need to get me back on track just like either clomid & Hcg or nolvadex would do. Is it claimed that this stuff will bring the boys back in size only during a cycle? as quick as hcg etc.

If I'm not mistaken, from what I've read, Derma doesn't take the place of HCG, only Nolva and/or Clomid.... I believe Pp had suggested running HCG during a cycle, then come off and run Derma solo for PCT

 

[CO B-man]

yes i know this, please read my post again, i administered 500 iu on the day i sent in my saliva, so my test was very high, the main point of my testing was to see if the dermacrine could keep my levels ABOVE normal.

my estrone could also be high due to i am a chronic herb smoker =], as i know it raises estrogen a bit (even tho i believe there is a study to disprove it)

all in all im very very pleased with the results

Dude! Marijuana is illegal bro!

 

[needtogetaas]

This stuff is the real deal. Needto's saliva tests prove it too. I am finishing up Dermacrine but I did not get tested but I can tell I have a rise in test due to increase in sex drive and aggression in the gym.

good to here bro we all know there are people that are no longer here that have all there troles trying to stir things up but lets face facts."everyone that has tried derma has loved it whether they were a tester o just some one that paid for it like you did"and the more people that use it the more people are going to keep saying its great and that it works..........it is inevitable that derma will
make a name for its self no matter how much shit any meet head with an agenda will try to fight it......its already terned into a big rolling snow ball and the product is just going to keep getting bigger with every person that tries it.
all these people are doing is giving derma threads free bumps......and for that we thank them.

 

[D_Mac]

Who does the saliva tests and how much do they cost? I wouldn't mind trying this after my cycle to see what the results are.

PP doesn't do the saliva kits, he is just a vendor selling the kits for a 3rd party lab.

If I'm not mistaken, from what I've read, Derma doesn't take the place of HCG, only Nolva and/or Clomid.... I believe Pp had suggested running HCG during a cycle, then come off and run Derma solo for PCT

This is what I have heard him say as well. Run HCG during the last part of the cycle, stop hcg 2 weeks before the cycle is over, then use dermacrine for 4 weeks, and for best natural test production increase apply the stuff to the stomach and legs.

If you want to use it as more of a test boosting product (a legal low dose steriod basically) then apply to the shoulders. Of course applying to the shoulders for PCT would be almost like the AM Dbol method, and could be 2 steps forward 1 step back. However even with application to the shoulders those using it as a stand alone supp, not PCT, have reported higher test levels a week or 2 after ending dermacrine use than before they started.

 

[mm107]

PP doesn't do the saliva kits, he is just a vendor selling the kits for a 3rd party lab.

If I'm not mistaken, from what I've read, Derma doesn't take the place of HCG, only Nolva and/or Clomid.... I believe Pp had suggested running HCG during a cycle, then come off and run Derma solo for PCT

This is what I have heard him say as well. Run HCG during the last part of the cycle, stop hcg 2 weeks before the cycle is over, then use dermacrine for 4 weeks, and for best natural test production increase apply the stuff to the stomach and legs.

If you want to use it as more of a test boosting product (a legal low dose steriod basically) then apply to the shoulders. Of course applying to the shoulders for PCT would be almost like the AM Dbol method, and could be 2 steps forward 1 step back. However even with application to the shoulders those using it as a stand alone supp, not PCT, have reported higher test levels a week or 2 after ending dermacrine use than before they started.

great post dmac

 

[VooDooChild]

Your mis-interpreting the levels.

Those levels are “free bioavailable” test in the saliva… your thinking of “total test” in blood. The range of which is 250-1150 ng/dl.

If you did the conversion, you would see that his total test levels where WAY above the normal range after the hCG (about 1900 ng/dl after the conversion) and after the dermacrine his levels where still way above the high normal range of about 1500 ng/dl. (total test in blood)

These results are very good.

-Pp

Why is this being tested in the saliva, and not the blood?

 

[freakydominator]

I have read through these threads and the only 2 people who dont appear to be reps or testers, moderators or advertisers, big rupe and jack angel, have had no results.

and that bloodwork is not exactly good. your estrogen went up and your test went down.

 

[medical]

Why is this being tested in the saliva, and not the blood?

Because who is going to draw the blood and send it as a biohazard through the mail? I can and am doing blood testing on myself since I own a company that can legally collect blood and tissues for lab testing and I have contracts with Labcorp, Quest, Medtox, etc. There are other reasons as well but that is the main one.

 

[medical]

I have read through these threads and the only 2 people who dont appear to be reps or testers, moderators or advertisers, big rupe and jack angel, have had no results.

and that bloodwork is not exactly good. your estrogen went up and your test went down.

I have done and am continuing to do personal and independent testing. After a bunch of debating about different types of testing and scientific controls I withdrew my tests from the public forum.
I will say that Dermacrine shows measurable, consistant elevations in free test and DHEA on a short term basis. I've only been testing for 3 weeks so I can't vouch for long term or sustained benefit.
The bottom line is you are an experiment of one and have probably blown alot of $ on much less useful supps over the years. If it works for you then it is good. Just like AIFM.....I don't need any lab results to tell me that it keeps me dry and less estrogenic. It also gives me a rash and has to be interspersed with Aromasin. I expect Dermacrine will be the same....a useful part of my arsenal that is only a PART of the equation....Your mileage may/will vary but if you have been at this very long the $70 for a bottle is chump change in the grand scheme. As I've said before......a product either makes the majority of users FEEL BETTER or it fails no matter what lab work says.

 

[fbodyguy02]

Here is my situation:

Last cycle: (i wanted 500, but was overdosing the syringe)
600mg/Test E / Week 8 weeks

PCT was HCG @ 500 i.u day for 14 Days after last shot.

****
WHEN I SENT IN MY SALIVA TESTING, I TOOK MY HCG(LAST SHOT) AND THEN DID MY SALIVA, NOT REALIZING THE HCG WILL CAUSE MY SALIVA TO SHOW HIGH LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE
****

My Levels while on my last shot of HCG was:
Estrone: 4.9
Testosterone: 444
DHEA: 32.4

Now i finished up my bottle of Dermacrine, i was asked not to post my results untill i had everything finished, which i waited....

Thanks for sharing your results. Can you please clarify how long after your last shot of Test E and HCG that you got re-tested?

I only ask because I would imagine that your test levels would still be high since Test E is a long acting ester, could this have contributed to your high Test Level?

 

[mm107]

Thanks for sharing your results. Can you please clarify how long after your last shot of Test E and HCG that you got re-tested?

I only ask because I would imagine that your test levels would still be high since Test E is a long acting ester, could this have contributed to your high Test Level?

Sure my last Shot of Test E: Jan 26

Last Shot of HCG: February 9, 2007

First Saliva Test: Feb 9, 2007 - Mailed out Saliva Testing They recieved it and Processed it by Feb 12

Second Saliva Test: March 2, 2007

So the time from Jan 26 to March 2 = 35 Days

The normal 'clearance' time with test e is around 14 days.....

 

[bobbie]

I wonder when the docs will b using this instead of HCG, clomid, seein as it has no side affects. Its just that anything that works & works well is on prescription & has side affects & is illegal to have. Every drug that u need a prescription for that works has side affects one way or another. So for me if it is legal & no sides affects it does not work & if it does y r the docs not using it for HRT & other treatment's

 

[fbodyguy02]

Sure my last Shot of Test E: Jan 26

Last Shot of HCG: February 9, 2007

First Saliva Test: Feb 9, 2007 - Mailed out Saliva Testing They recieved it and Processed it by Feb 12

Second Saliva Test: March 2, 2007

So the time from Jan 26 to March 2 = 35 Days

The normal 'clearance' time with test e is around 14 days.....

Thanks for the quick reply.

OK so from what I have read on a few websites regarding Test E, the consensus is:

Half Life:
TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 10.5 days

Detection Time:
TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3 MONTHS

-----------------------------------------

If Test E is detectable for upto 3 months, I think it is safe to assume that only after 35 days, you still had a good amount of Test E in your system, thus bumping up your Test values?

Bump for others thoughts/opinions.....

 

[needtogetaas]

I wonder when the docs will b using this instead of HCG, clomid, seein as it has no side affects. Its just that anything that works & works well is on prescription & has side affects & is illegal to have. Every drug that u need a prescription for that works has side affects one way or another. So for me if it is legal & no sides affects it does not work & if it does y r the docs not using it for HRT & other treatment's

lets face it this stuff will not be legal for ever.

 

[bobbie]

lets face it this stuff will not be legal for ever.

Then thats when i will b hooked no prob

 

[needtogetaas]

I have read through these threads and the only 2 people who dont appear to be reps or testers, moderators or advertisers, big rupe and jack angel, have had no results.

and that bloodwork is not exactly good. your estrogen went up and your test went down.

I have to go to the gym then class but when I get back i will have a list of names of people that have paid for it or were a tester that have no affiliation
with the company at all that have tried itand loved it.....the list is much higher then 2 I can tell you that

 

[Primordial Performance]

Voodoochild,

Blood testing would have been time & cost prohibitive, as medical explained. Saliva testing is a way more conveinient method of hormone testing.

Freakydominator,

Both jack angel and big rupe have been on the product for less than 2 weeks. I suspect results will be more pronounced as the days pass. However, there are others who have actually bought the product and have posted good results… care to pull these up needto ? ;-)

Fbodyguy,

It’s the metabolites or epi-test/test ratio that determines a positive UA for steroids 3 months post use. Any testosterone from the Test Enanthate would have been long gone after 35 days. In fact levels are back to base-line after 15 days from a test enanthate shot. I have no doubt that his super high test levels where a result of the hCG used up until the saliva test.

Bobbie,

Docs ARE using transdermal DHEA in a clinical setting for many HRT applications. The FDA has been trying to ban DHEA for years. In fact DHEA was banned for a period in the 80’s I believe, and then was reinstated as dietary supplement after a couple years of legal battle.

Dermacrine can have side-effects like any other hormonal drug, they are just minimized due to the natural AI’s in the formula, and balance of preg/DHEA. Still, I imagine that if derma was used for many, many months it would eventually have a suppressive effect on hormone production. This is why we advocate a 4 week cycling period.

-Pp

 

[bobbie]

Voodoochild,

Blood testing would have been time & cost prohibitive, as medical explained. Saliva testing is a way more conveinient method of hormone testing.

Freakydominator,

Both jack angel and big rupe have been on the product for less than 2 weeks. I suspect results will be more pronounced as the days pass. However, there are others who have actually bought the product and have posted good results… care to pull these up needto ? ;-)

Fbodyguy,

It’s the metabolites or epi-test/test ratio that determines a positive UA for steroids 3 months post use. Any testosterone from the Test Enanthate would have been long gone after 35 days. In fact levels are back to base-line after 15 days from a test enanthate shot. I have no doubt that his super high test levels where a result of the hCG used up until the saliva test.

Bobbie,

Docs ARE using transdermal DHEA in a clinical setting for many HRT applications. The FDA has been trying to ban DHEA for years. In fact DHEA was banned for a period in the 80’s I believe, and then was reinstated as dietary supplement after a couple years of legal battle.

Dermacrine can have side-effects like any other hormonal drug, they are just minimized due to the natural AI’s in the formula, and balance of preg/DHEA. Still, I imagine that if derma was used for many, many months it would eventually have a suppressive effect on hormone production. This is why we advocate a 4 week cycling period.

-Pp

For me its still just a legal Dietary Supplement. Natural AI"s says it all

 

[fbodyguy02]

Fbodyguy,

It’s the metabolites or epi-test/test ratio that determines a positive UA for steroids 3 months post use. Any testosterone from the Test Enanthate would have been long gone after 35 days. In fact levels are back to base-line after 15 days from a test enanthate shot. I have no doubt that his super high test levels where a result of the hCG used up until the saliva test.

-Pp

Thanks for the explanation. So from what your said above, are you implying that both saliva tests were affected by the HCG? (Thus making boths tests inaccurate as far as TEST values)

 

[Primordial Performance]

Thanks for the explanation. So from what your said above, are you implying that both saliva tests were affected by the HCG? (Thus making boths tests inaccurate as far as TEST values)

Ill admit, the test is less than ideal.

But the hCG wouldn’t explain the test levels for the second test. Had he not used the derma he probably would have been in the 120-140 normal range…. Rather than the super-physiological 300 range.

-Pp

 

[freakydominator]

my question was why his estrogen was lower and test higher when taking HCG and estrogen higher and test lower when taking dermacrine?

the results should be the opposite, at least ratio wise.

 

[fbodyguy02]

Ill admit, the test is less than ideal.

But the hCG wouldn’t explain the test levels for the second test. Had he not used the derma he probably would have been in the 120-140 normal range…. Rather than the super-physiological 300 range.

-Pp

Gotcha! Thanks again for making this clear.

 

[ZGzaZ]

Good to see some results from testing back.

 

[Primordial Performance]

my question was why his estrogen was lower and test higher when taking HCG and estrogen higher and test lower when taking dermacrine?

the results should be the opposite, at least ratio wise.

Yes, mm was one of the few users that could have benefited from additional AI support. Still, the derma caused a VERY effective preservation of test levels.

Mm, I have a question for you…

Did you use any AI’s during the cycle or hCG usage? Its possible that an AI such as adex or letrozol could have caused aromatase rebound…

Also, where you using any other supps with the Derma?

-Pp

 

[VooDooChild]

Because who is going to draw the blood and send it as a biohazard through the mail? I can and am doing blood testing on myself since I own a company that can legally collect blood and tissues for lab testing and I have contracts with Labcorp, Quest, Medtox, etc. There are other reasons as well but that is the main one.

There is no need to send it through the mail, when Im sure there is a blood testing center in your area/state. Quests are all over the place..

 

[needtogetaas]

I have read through these threads and the only 2 people who dont appear to be reps or testers, moderators or advertisers, big rupe and jack angel, have had no results.

and that bloodwork is not exactly good. your estrogen went up and your test went down.

well here is your big rupe thread were he stats that derma is doing all that it said it would for him....so I think you can pull your foot out of your mouth now.lmao
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537973&highlight=Dermacrine

 

[mm107]

Yes, mm was one of the few users that could have benefited from additional AI support. Still, the derma caused a VERY effective preservation of test levels.

Mm, I have a question for you…

Did you use any AI’s during the cycle or hCG usage? Its possible that an AI such as adex or letrozol could have caused aromatase rebound…

Also, where you using any other supps with the Derma?

-Pp

Hey PP, i ran AIFM during my cycle + and during my HCG cycle afterwards. When i started the Dermacrine, i stoped using the AIFM.

only other supps while on dermacrine was creatine EE,

my estrogen could have been high simple because my testosterone was high and it was compensating using the body's mechinism to balance them out?

 

[ZGzaZ]

Hey PP, i ran AIFM during my cycle + and during my HCG cycle afterwards. When i started the Dermacrine, i stoped using the AIFM.

only other supps while on dermacrine was creatine EE,

my estrogen could have been high simple because my testosterone was high and it was compensating using the body's mechinism to balance them out?

A strong possibility.

 

[mm107]

A strong possibility.

ill be going on a Test e/EQ cycle in a couple of weeks because my levels are in good shape again.

this time, ill be running blood work, (to save PP some $$ since he is so possitve derma works to be giving out 170$ kits, im covered by my insurance)

ill be getting pre and after tests (since i wont go give blood while full blown on)

and Derma will be the ONLY PCT ill be using again.

 

[needtogetaas]

ill be going on a Test e/EQ cycle in a couple of weeks because my levels are in good shape again.

this time, ill be running blood work, (to save PP some $$ since he is so possitve derma works to be giving out 170$ kits, im covered by my insurance)

ill be getting pre and after tests (since i wont go give blood while full blown on)

and Derma will be the ONLY PCT ill be using again.

nice so you will be getting a test don at your docs.thats cool.

 

[Jrod03]

How can dermacrine be use as a PCT and at what dose?

 

[georgie24]

i need this shit

 

[Primordial Performance]

How can dermacrine be use as a PCT and at what dose?

Its ran at 4-5 pumps ED... and the bottle will last 26-30 days.

We also have a new Dermacrine commin out that will be even more targeted to PCT users.. should be instock early next week. ;-)

-Pp

 

[tshoot]

Its ran at 4-5 pumps ED... and the bottle will last 26-30 days.

We also have a new Dermacrine commin out that will be even more targeted to PCT users.. should be instock early next week. ;-)

-Pp

I would certainly like to hear more about that product.

 

[tshoot]

Its ran at 4-5 pumps ED... and the bottle will last 26-30 days.

We also have a new Dermacrine commin out that will be even more targeted to PCT users.. should be instock early next week. ;-)

-Pp

Thinking about this even more, I may even be a candidate to try it for PCT. My cycle should end at the end of April. I will be on short acting esters (Test Prop/Tren Ace) for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. I am taking HCG once a week @ 500ius to keep the little guys for getting any smaller and should be able to go right into PCT a couple of days after my last shot.

Let talk about the ideal way to take this new product, when to get tested, what, if anything, to take additionally with it. I am game to give it a shot - let me know.

 

[needtogetaas]

i need this shit

every one needs it.

 

[needtogetaas]

Thinking about this even more, I may even be a candidate to try it for PCT. My cycle should end at the end of April. I will be on short acting esters (Test Prop/Tren Ace) for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. I am taking HCG once a week @ 500ius to keep the little guys for getting any smaller and should be able to go right into PCT a couple of days after my last shot.

Let talk about the ideal way to take this new product, when to get tested, what, if anything, to take additionally with it. I am game to give it a shot - let me know.

sounds like a good guy pp.

 

[JohnnyWest]

This is what I have heard him say as well. Run HCG during the last part of the cycle, stop hcg 2 weeks before the cycle is over, then use dermacrine for 4 weeks, and for best natural test production increase apply the stuff to the stomach and legs.

If you want to use it as more of a test boosting product (a legal low dose steriod basically) then apply to the shoulders. Of course applying to the shoulders for PCT would be almost like the AM Dbol method, and could be 2 steps forward 1 step back. However even with application to the shoulders those using it as a stand alone supp, not PCT, have reported higher test levels a week or 2 after ending dermacrine use than before they started.

What I gathered form your post is it raises endogenous testosterone levels if applied to stomach/legs and is suppressive to your HPTA if you apply to shoulders?

That doesn't make any sense, that's saying two completely different things. Either it's suppressive or it's not suppressive, if it's action is systemic like PP claims then it wouldn't have properties based on where you apply it.

PP or N2 can you clear this up?

 

[Primordial Performance]

What I gathered form your post is it raises endogenous testosterone levels if applied to stomach/legs and is suppressive to your HPTA if you apply to shoulders?

That doesn't make any sense, that's saying two completely different things. Either it's suppressive or it's not suppressive, if it's action is systemic like PP claims then it wouldn't have properties based on where you apply it.

PP or N2 can you clear this up?

Jonnywest,

What this means is that when you apply it to the shoulders it converts to testosterone before it even gets to the blood stream. So in that sense, your basically using a low dose test cream. This can obviously be suppressive.

We encourage PCT users to apply the product to areas on the skin that are not so concentrated with steroidogenic enzymes, such as the stomach and legs. This way the DHEA can get into the system to exert its positive effects on GH, IGF-1, cAMP, ect. While the original dermacrine works well for PCT, the effect of DHEA on endogenous testosterone production can be biphasic in that it may eventually have a suppressive effect on LH & FSH release by its eventual peripheral conversion to other androgens. (one of the reasons we recommend only 4 weeks use)

We’ve addressed the potential issue in the new version of “Dermacrine Sustain” by removing the DHEA/preg and increasing the dosage of the phyto-based AI’s. This will improve the products ability to increase LH & FSH even more, and serve more as a long-term solution.

Tshoot,

I hope Ive answered some of you questions here. I would suggest testing for both E2, E2 and testosterone if you plan on using the new Derma. You wont need to use anything with it, and one bottle lasting 26 days should be enough to get you back on track, especially considering your fast clearing esters.

-Pp

 

[needtogetaas]

What I gathered form your post is it raises endogenous testosterone levels if applied to stomach/legs and is suppressive to your HPTA if you apply to shoulders?

That doesn't make any sense, that's saying two completely different things. Either it's suppressive or it's not suppressive, if it's action is systemic like PP claims then it wouldn't have properties based on where you apply it.

PP or N2 can you clear this up?

derma works great for pct but you can only use it for so long.4 weeks on then you have to take time off.no it is not suppressive by any means at all if used for 4 weeks.on the contrary As a benefit to all men, Dermacrine has the unique ability to "regenerate" the bodies own hormonal production. Rather than having a suppressive effect on the endocrine system (like most testosterone boosters), Dermacrine rejuvenates enzymatic pathways for continued benefits that are realized even after cessation of use.so if used
for 4 weeks its perfect for pct or a test booster but if used longer it can be suppressive....I know other products like aifm say you can take it as long as you like but thats bull shit you cant...it will suppress if used to long....
thats why we have mad a new derma that can work hand in hand with this derma to be used for as long as you like.most of the people that have used derma "boost" the derma we have now have had only one problem with it."they dont want to stop using it" well we like to think we care about our customers so we are not going to just tell them "ya you can take it for ever "
just so we can make more sales of them.no we came up with a solution for them .derma sustain.A deferent version that they can use for as long as they like and stay safe.
some people like to do a long cycle and then do pct and then get right back on,well others like to do a cycle then take a long time off derma sustain can give them added pct or a good boast threw there long times off if they like.

some people are just using derma boost for a test booster all by its self witch test have proven it can do but they dont want to stop taking it well derma sustain can help them with that to.

we came up with just one more tool our customers can use as they see fit,because we saw they need for it.If our customers have a need we will do our best to full fill it rather then cover it up and cause them harm just because we want them to keep using some thing for longer then they should.

we have many new weapons for the body builder,aas user,trainer,wight lifter,and any one in a muscle competitive sport to add to there arsenal coming out as often as we can and were and when we see the need for
them...we also welcome all our customers and future customers to come to us
with any and all of your needs and we will work to meet them.

 

[JohnnyWest]

Jonnywest,

What this means is that when you apply it to the shoulders it converts to testosterone before it even gets to the blood stream. So in that sense, your basically using a low dose test cream. This can obviously be suppressive.

We encourage PCT users to apply the product to areas on the skin that are not so concentrated with steroidogenic enzymes, such as the stomach and legs. This way the DHEA can get into the system to exert its positive effects on GH, IGF-1, cAMP, ect. While the original dermacrine works well for PCT, the effect of DHEA on endogenous testosterone production can be biphasic in that it may eventually have a suppressive effect on LH & FSH release by its eventual peripheral conversion to other androgens. (one of the reasons we recommend only 4 weeks use)

We’ve addressed the potential issue in the new version of “Dermacrine Sustain” by removing the DHEA/preg and increasing the dosage of the phyto-based AI’s. This will improve the products ability to increase LH & FSH even more, and serve more as a long-term solution.

Tshoot,

I hope Ive answered some of you questions here. I would suggest testing for both E2, E2 and testosterone if you plan on using the new Derma. You wont need to use anything with it, and one bottle lasting 26 days should be enough to get you back on track, especially considering your fast clearing esters.

-Pp

Ok I got ya, I was assuming it's actions were only systemic.

 

[dougmug]

Dermacrine sucks ass!

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok I got ya, I was assuming it's actions were only systemic.

 

[mm107]

damn, got some good replies on this thread, anyone interested read the above stuff

 

[ZGzaZ]

damn, got some good replies on this thread, anyone interested read the above stuff

MM, where you been? Havent heard much from you recently.

 

[mm107]

MM, where you been? Havent heard much from you recently.

got a promotion at work, (so the first couple weeks dont want to push it on here, they have my working my ass off)

ill be on here more once i impress the big guys to let me have some slack again, but that should take no time =]

 

[boston789]

I'm just worried its gonna be suppressive and I'm gonna crash after my PCT....

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm just worried its gonna be suppressive and I'm gonna crash after my PCT....

4 weeks will not be suppressive bro.it works

 

[ZGzaZ]

4 weeks will not be suppressive bro.it works

It's good stuff.

 

[vitamix]

It's good stuff.

Bullshit. I think the stuff works too good and I am worried when I come off I am going to crash. You fuckers might as well of thrown in 10 mgs of dbol and called it "Bridgeacrine". PCT my ass! My skin's oily, I sweat all the time, and I got my first zit in a year. The crazy thing is the loads are bigger and going for distance.

Is there a protocol from switching from the DHEA/Preg version over to the non-DHEA/Preg version? Or does one just stop all together?

Answers damn it, I want answers!

 

[needtogetaas]

Bullshit. I think the stuff works too good and I am worried when I come off I am going to crash. You fuckers might as well of thrown in 10 mgs of dbol and called it "Bridgeacrine". PCT my ass! My skin's oily, I sweat all the time, and I got my first zit in a year. The crazy thing is the loads are bigger and going for distance.

Is there a protocol from switching from the DHEA/Preg version over to the non-DHEA/Preg version? Or does one just stop all together?

Answers damn it, I want answers!

no you can stop after 4 weeks and still feel its effects after you will not crash after its over ether...how ever if you would like you can switch to the new derma sustain after and use that as long as you like...glad its working for you bro lol and Bridgeacrine

 

[digit0x]

Bullshit. I think the stuff works too good and I am worried when I come off I am going to crash. You fuckers might as well of thrown in 10 mgs of dbol and called it "Bridgeacrine". PCT my ass! My skin's oily, I sweat all the time, and I got my first zit in a year. The crazy thing is the loads are bigger and going for distance.

Is there a protocol from switching from the DHEA/Preg version over to the non-DHEA/Preg version? Or does one just stop all together?

Answers damn it, I want answers!

if you crash make sure to say so

 

[needtogetaas]

if you crash make sure to say so

yes deff say so.we want to here every thing good or bad but so far every one has come off feeling great.

 

[boston789]

if you crash make sure to say so

yup!

 

[Primordial Performance]

Bullshit. I think the stuff works too good and I am worried when I come off I am going to crash. You fuckers might as well of thrown in 10 mgs of dbol and called it "Bridgeacrine". PCT my ass! My skin's oily, I sweat all the time, and I got my first zit in a year. The crazy thing is the loads are bigger and going for distance.

Is there a protocol from switching from the DHEA/Preg version over to the non-DHEA/Preg version? Or does one just stop all together?

Answers damn it, I want answers!

vitamix,

Dermacrine actually can work a little too good sometimes… it really depends on the persons peripheral 17b HSD activity. Some recent testers have noticed excessively high testosterone levels from the DHEA conversion (way beyond the high normal range). This is one reason we recommend the different application sites, but also why we developed the new Derma Sustain to avoid any potential excess testosterone conversion.

Either way, users of Dermacrine have not been “crashing” as the AI’s and SERM’s have a strong stimulatory effect on the HPTA (hence your big loads). Weve performed 2, 4 and 6 week post cycle tests and testosterone is still higher than before the users started. Several of these tests have been posted in the “Dermacrine info thread”

-Pp