So, you want to do steroids

[eddymerckx]

1. Are you over 25 w/>5-6 years if natty training?
2. Do you know the meaning of PCT, AI, SERM, 19-nor, DHT, HTPA, IM, Sub-Q?
3. Have you had a metabolic panel, hormone panel, liver panel, to establish a baselines?
4. Are you <18% BF (unless power lifter)?
5. Do you know about estrogen?
6. Can you rattle-off your diet w/o a qualifier of "I will change once I am on gear" and do you know what you will do you will do when you get adverse sides?
7. Are you taking OTC supplements and know why and what for?
8. do you know a cycle is not complete and you are not ready to begin until you have all the gear AND all the ancillaries actually on hand-including PCT?
9. Do you no var is not a magic pill?
10. Most of all, do you have a plan and purpose--a reason for doing gear in the first place/-trying to get abs for the beach is not a reason.

If yes to most of these questions, welcome, and how can we help you--....unless you have the urge to mention insulin, DNP, cost, prices, sources, or ways to get gear,

If you answered no to #s 2-10 , you need a platinum membership to search out answers to these question and at least one of the key reference books--. A Platinum Membership will give you access to the dozens of answers to every question you could possibly think of--the e-books are a must for every bro to have.

Otherwise,

If you are <24;
If you have <5-6 years of natty training;
If you are a fat body;
then, gear is not for you a this time. do your growing with food/workouts/sleep/OTC Supplements (the Needto Line is my preference)

and intend to do gear anyway, some bros will help; others will not.

Just my Sunday am .02---if you made it this far, then

 

[RADAR]

excellent post Eddy

 

[Sinister Minister]

Agree good post! I knew I'd see something in there about the var! Your skepticism well documented and for good reason too!

 

[Arabian]

Fantastic post Eddie!!! I should make that a sticky!!!!!!

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Fantastic post Eddie!!! I should make that a sticky!!!!!!

That would be good

 

[kiai]

I've only 2 years of training under my belt tell me gear is not for me

 

[eddymerckx]

I've only 2 years of training under my belt tell me gear is not for me

here is the problem:

1. AAS has androgens
2. androgens adversely affect soft/connective tissue
3. AAS will help you make make great jumps in strength
4. connective tissue is not only compromised but is not ready for the big jump in strength (OTC supps can help ).
5. years of natty training builds strong soft/connective tissue as it adapts to the increased load over time (but not over night)--just being older and active does not necessarily help when doing very restrictive isolated movements (e.g. a preacher curl)

thus, the less natty training, the greater the likelihood of severe damage--bicep snaps/pec blow outs happen to college athletes--younger bros or guys that have simple outpaced their ability to let the connective tissue "catch-up".

not to mention you should still be growing like crazy, naturally with OTC supplements/sleep/diet/various and changing training methods

+ what's the hurry?

 

[needtogetaas]

I eat steroids for breakfast

 

[RADAR]

Milk,cornflakes and Dbol = yummy!

 

[eddymerckx]

Milk,cornflakes and Dbol = yummy!

with my luck I would get a back pump and end up face down in my cornflakles and drown

 

[needtogetaas]

And lunch too. Pasta with Anavar stuffed meat balls.

 

[needtogetaas]

But to be serous guys read taking steroids 101 at the top of the forums along with the rules too

 

[Iron Warrior707]

5-6 years of natty training before juice? I agree with it, but 99.999999999% of guys on this forum juiced after 2-3 years of training or less...

 

[eddymerckx]

5-6 years of natty training before juice? I agree with it, but 99.999999999% of guys on this forum juiced after 2-3 years of training or less...

Maybe, but I am not certain about that--there are a lot of older bros that are around and contribute once in a while. I started in my 30s ---and I was lifting since 8th grade.

Not to mention the demographics for gear users are quite surprising (surprising to the public not us--smarter, wealthier, and committed to living a certain way). The public thinks we are all like those mooks on the Jersey Shore--lol, there are those but take a look at the peeps here--

Plus I just want to be on record so I can point to my opinion instead of saying the same thing over and over again. If we change the mind of one kid--well, I am okay with that.

 

[RADAR]

And i put in 20 plus yrs before touching anything, The bettter the foundation the better steroids will work.
My first cycle was german Dbol(lugwigs) (potent as hell) MY Bench went up from 185 for 8 reps to 185 for 35 reps,225 for 20 reps and i maxed out at 315. something i thought was far ,far away!

My squat was lagging no matter what i did i managed to do 225 for 8 reps,250 was my max, after that i shot up to 300 for 10 reps and maxed out at 425,That was my first cycle of Dbol ,and i never exceeded 20 mgs most was 10mgs until i pyramid it up slowly!

 

[RADAR]

You guys Dosing with 2-3 yrs training are just short changing yourselves!

 

[Cali72]

I eat steroids for breakfast

Breakfast of champions.

 

[kiai]

And i put in 20 plus yrs before touching anything, The bettter the foundation the better steroids will work.
My first cycle was german Dbol(lugwigs) (potent as hell) MY Bench went up from 185 for 8 reps to 185 for 35 reps,225 for 20 reps and i maxed out at 315. something i thought was far ,far away!

My squat was lagging no matter what i did i managed to do 225 for 8 reps,250 was my max, after that i shot up to 300 for 10 reps and maxed out at 425,That was my first cycle of Dbol ,and i never exceeded 20 mgs most was 10mgs until i pyramid it up slowly!

erm so I guess I shouldn't be ashamed of my 240x8reps for bench weighting only 187 and 2 yrs of training I seem to be stuck here no matter what too.

 

[stevesmi]

5-6 years of natty training before juice? I agree with it, but 99.999999999% of guys on this forum juiced after 2-3 years of training or less...

its not that many, you are overexxagerating bigtime.

I know that I was natty for 15 some years. RADAR was as well.. a lot of that has to do with our age too.. the younger guys have much more access to juice thanks to the internets, it takes a couple clicks and you can get roids delivered to your dorm room. but then again when i was that age we never even discussed steroids when i played football or weightlifted.. our coach didn't mention it, my teammates never mentioned it. i think once the seed is planted its like "oh i gotta go do it" it takes someone to plant the seed.

i do recall you juiced young yourself and you were not ready either as you've readily admitted, so not sure why you don't turn those guns onto yourself when you attack the site.

 

[Sinister Minister]

I was 1 of those dumb fucks who started at 16 to get swole for football... I did all the dumbshit a lot of us on here are outspoken against!! The point to that is to help newb's not make the same mistakes I and a lot of others did!! If I could go back and change it I would. It's easier to learn from others mistakes than to learn from your own... I am one of those 99% guys and it was wrong

 

[TheSVPdeal]

5-6 years of natty training before juice? I agree with it, but 99.999999999% of guys on this forum juiced after 2-3 years of training or less...

I don't agree with this either. I am 32 years old, have trained for 12 years, and did my first cycle at 30. At least 3 of us, most likely 5 at least, waited and did it properly. That to me looks like 1/2 at least, not 99%.

 

[Iron Warrior707]

its not that many, you are overexxagerating bigtime.

I know that I was natty for 15 some years. RADAR was as well.. a lot of that has to do with our age too.. the younger guys have much more access to juice thanks to the internets, it takes a couple clicks and you can get roids delivered to your dorm room. but then again when i was that age we never even discussed steroids when i played football or weightlifted.. our coach didn't mention it, my teammates never mentioned it. i think once the seed is planted its like "oh i gotta go do it" it takes someone to plant the seed.

i do recall you juiced young yourself and you were not ready either as you've readily admitted, so not sure why you don't turn those guns onto yourself when you attack the site.

I didnt try roids just to cheat and get fast results like most do.... Since i have tried almost every drug you can think of , i just wanted to see what roid does if you workout..

First cycle was sustanon 250, i only had 1 10ml vial, so inject 250mg twice a week and sometimes i skipped 2 weeks then inject then skip a week, so i really messed up the cycle, also no pct and thats why i consider myself 100% natural because the roids never helped me achieve my goals...

 

[stevesmi]

^^ really think you have a warped sense of what AAS is all about. if used properly it can help you zoom past your goals but like you said it isn't as easy as just taking it and getting fast results.

 

[Iron Warrior707]

I don't agree with this either. I am 32 years old, have trained for 12 years, and did my first cycle at 30. At least 3 of us, most likely 5 at least, waited and did it properly. That to me looks like 1/2 at least, not 99%.

Sorry bro.. I guess i should of be more clear, i meant most guys, not just on this forum, but in general.. I was probably exaggerating about 99.999%, lol..
But you gotta admit most people want fast results so they hop on the sauce witohut any research and hard work..
I know many dudes around here just juice for a few month come off and quit working out, hop back on the sauce heavily for summer then quit..

 

[Iron Warrior707]

^^ really think you have a warped sense of what AAS is all about. if used properly it can help you zoom past your goals but like you said it isn't as easy as just taking it and getting fast results.

Yes, but why did you edit my post?

EDIT.. ohhh ok ..

 

[eddymerckx]

Sorry bro.. I guess i should of be more clear, i meant most guys, not just on this forum, but in general.. I was probably exaggerating about 99.999%, lol..
But you gotta admit most people want fast results so they hop on the sauce witohut any research and hard work..
I know many dudes around here just juice for a few month come off and quit working out, hop back on the sauce heavily for summer then quit..

I was in my mid 30s and I remember doing ez-curls while watching Dallas and Fantasy Island on Friday night when I was like 13--and gear was easy to get back then.

As I said, I will find the survey/study that showed the average age was of a consistent user was >30; above average income and education. Hell, look the the "low T" movement---I am not sure I know anyone my age who is not at least talking about it.

This sites just see some young guys post and they are the loudest--older bros sit back and watch. Younger bros (just by their very nature) are more apt to pin a gram, get crazy gyno, and we never hear from them again--except 5 years later when they ask if they should have done a PCT

Even look around the gym--you know who is on and who is not---but its the bloated 25 super tan bro that sticks out like a swolled-up thumb.****i say this with a specific bro in mind--he has had a-bomb bloat for like a year---need a spigot to dry him out

 

[stevesmi]

Sorry bro.. I guess i should of be more clear, i meant most guys, not just on this forum, but in general.. I was probably exaggerating about 99.999%, lol..
But you gotta admit most people want fast results so they hop on the sauce witohut any research and hard work..
I know many dudes around here just juice for a few month come off and quit working out, hop back on the sauce heavily for summer then quit..

also 95% of users of AAS are plain ole gym rats and not athletes. so not sure how you can characterize gym rats as 'cheaters' .. what exactly are they cheating at??? they are competing against themselves and the mirror. not against others.

 

[RyanArnett]

I can tell you that I made the huge mistake of doing a cycle of dbol at 15 to give me an edge in football cause I knew I could go to college and maybe further and all it did was cause me to blow out my knee and need two surgeries in three years and cost myself a chance at a scholarship make my knee hurt the rest of my life and I didn't even keep any of the gains because I was too dumb to learn about pct so I didn't do one. Biggest mistake of my life. Cost me the chance to go very very far in football with the size and talent I had.

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[eddymerckx]

Bump because it's that time of year....

 

[jrhodez]

var isn't a magical pill?

jk

 

[psizzle_8]

This is a great post eddy, thank you. Also turning into a good thread. If only the ones you're talking about would take time to read some of these posts (and let it actually sink in)

 

[gymjunkie09]

10. Most of all, do you have a plan and purpose--a reason for doing gear in the first place/-trying to get abs for the beach is not a reason.

I agree with everything but this ^^^lol....I couldnt think of a better reason

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

great post, i anwsered everything... Great Guidelines bro, should be a sticky....

 

[TheSVPdeal]

I agree with everything but this ^^^lol....I couldnt think of a better reason

'Cause we need abs for the beach!

 

[eddymerckx]

'Cause we need abs for the beach!

I live in Colorado --the nearest beach is about 1500 miles

 

[kiai]

shouldn't we ban those who don't have abs? jk

 

[training700]

Who needs abs when ya got pecs lol

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[TheSVPdeal]

I live in Colorado --the nearest beach is about 1500 miles

When you visit LA, Eddy, you can show us. In the meantime use em to kill the ladies;-)

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Who needs abs when ya got pecs lol

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Pecs without abs are breasts

 

[gymjunkie09]

Pecs without abs are breasts

Lol

 

[kiai]

avi you can always hide abs with a good back!

 

[doublebicep]

Great post Eddy.

 

[eddymerckx]

Great post Eddy.

Thanks

It's what I really believe--and has served me well . . .so far

I cannot say if I was 21 now with all the interweb stuff that I would not be really tempted but I would hope enough bros would give me enough grief that I would wait, put in the time of natty work/diet/sleep. I mean gear was around/pretty available then (like 25 years ago)esp in the place I worked-out (old fashioned iron gym) but never occurred to me to go on b/c the guys that were on were freaking monsters and figured I needed to get a lot bigger before I tried anything.

 

[training700]

That's not true lol not when there muscle

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[kiai]

I'm still natural and I know it's very tempting to get on board with gear and making it worse it's legal here. I'm 28 yrs old and sometimes it feels like I should do this now. but when I think reasonably I find that I'm still making linear progress it's slow but it's there and on the long run I'm better than some of others I know juicing at my gym so this holds me back and say I keep it till I really reach a real plateau and nothing else is working getting ahead.

right now I'm focusing on my weaknesses like my chest and shoulders and I'm hitting them from every angle possible. also I've this hell of stubborn fat on my lower abs that doesnt want to go away and I don't like to be cutting my calories for long. so instead I'm just getting enough calories to build slowly and having my cardio and keeping pretty lean and when time comes It will be easy to get rid of it I think. You can check pics on my profile to know what I'm talking about.

 

[eddymerckx]

1. Are you over 25 w/>5-6 years if natty training?
2. Do you know the meaning of PCT, AI, SERM, 19-nor, DHT, HTPA, IM, Sub-Q?
3. Have you had a metabolic panel, hormone panel, liver panel, to establish a baselines?
4. Are you <18% BF (unless power lifter)?
5. Do you know about estrogen?
6. Can you rattle-off your diet w/o a qualifier of "I will change once I am on gear" and do you know what you will do you will do when you get adverse sides?
7. Are you taking OTC supplements and know why and what for?
8. do you know a cycle is not complete and you are not ready to begin until you have all the gear AND all the ancillaries actually on hand-including PCT?
9. Do you no var is not a magic pill?
10. Most of all, do you have a plan and purpose--a reason for doing gear in the first place/-trying to get abs for the beach is not a reason.

If yes to most of these questions, welcome, and how can we help you--....unless you have the urge to mention insulin, DNP, cost, prices, sources, or ways to get gear,

If you answered no to #s 2-10 , you need a platinum membership to search out answers to these question and at least one of the key reference books--. A Platinum Membership will give you access to the dozens of answers to every question you could possibly think of--the e-books are a must for every bro to have.

Otherwise,

If you are <24;
If you have <5-6 years of natty training;
If you are a fat body;
then, gear is not for you a this time. do your growing with food/workouts/sleep/OTC Supplements (the Needto Line is my preference)

and intend to do gear anyway, some bros will help; others will not.

Just my Sunday am .02---if you made it this far, then

BUMP b/c it soooooooooo needed (before you start your cycle, not after)

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Tons of sweeties to read this.... Newbs take a gainder...

 

[eddymerckx]

Tons of sweeties to read this.... Newbs take a gainder...

I wish they would and realize that we really practice and believe what we say.