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Maybe we should help the authorities

DJ_UFO

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Maybe trying to fight against the law is not the best way. Law is made from proffessionals who has one objective in common. Ensure the security and wellness of the citizens. Having that in mind, that doesn't mean they know about everything. Regarding steroids, the average person only knows what they hear on TV or read on magazines. And, of course, since media is manipulated by thiefs they only post what makes more money for them. Tragedies. That's why in more than 2 decades of modern bodybuilding, steroids have always been in the "dark side" compared with heroine, cocaine, acid like any other drug. Authorities are not out of this. Their knowledge about this is almost zero. As said before they only know what they hear on TV, radio or read in magazines. Medicine has made too little studies about the negative effects of steroids for bodybuilding purposes. Studies would be highly expensive and could take several years of research and study since the only certain thing we know is that everybody reacts different to each dose. Having that fact, medicine rejects the use of steroids for any reason in normal people since they don't give any parameters or flexibility to experiment and try for ourselves. When authorities go to specialist doctors to know more about it and be able to make laws, this is what they got. A big negative from doctors about the use of steroids. In order to preserve their reputation and protect their wallets, doctors prefer to be 100% against this topic because they don't have any proof or study to backup their theories. So authorities are asking for advices to people that in fact don't know nothing about steroids. They only have some theories. And the real knowledge and study is in the other side. Bodybuilders. The history is different. We all know that after decades and decades of steroid use for Bodybuilding purposes, the amount of people that has had any kind of health problem or complication related to the use of steroids is almost insignificant. Beyond that, more people got health problems taking aspirins. And we are not talking about 500, 1000 or 100,000 steroid users. We are talking about millions of people nationwide using steroids. How many people die every year from steroid usage?. Probably not even 0.3%. That's almost zero. The people that is in the highest risk of having problems from steroids, is the people that don't have knowledge about this. But that is not because steroids are bad. It's the lack of study. The Law really should be modified and change this reputation of something that besides giving only satisfaction and positive effects to millions, doesn't have any life threatning effect.

How can we help the authorities?. Being mentors. Not only as hundreds of very good guys are accross dozens of boards like this. More than that, being sometimes strict with "newbies". Not even helping to set up that first cycle. Beyond that, helping to produce the beginning of a long process of read and study. To those teenagers getting bad advices at gym, being strict with them and giving them the right theories, so they can shoot back to those "gurus" at the gym. We even should ban cycles and doses in public forums and let them only for members with special attributes like platinum members or members that have some level of knowledge and is proven by moderator's backup. A person that read and learn enough, after time will be able to set up his own cycle with the right doses. That is the point where he/she is able to speak free about it the special forums. Maybe this sounds not good for a lot of people. But in that way we could help to prevent that few percent of people using steroids without preparation and having problems in the near future. Like those guys doing cycles without having any idea of what is a PCT and going to a doctor looking for help. Those comments from doctors go to insurance companies and from insurance companies go to state governments and statistics. It's in our hands. We can make every day the access to steroids a little bit more difficult if the people is lazy and not enough prepared, but easier access to those that take the right time to learn what is neccessary. We will not change the Law. But we could give a very different face to authorities. The face that they don't know. The face they've never seen and always has been hidden from them. Maybe with our attitude we can make the right face make more millions than the wrong face. In that way we can manipulate the media for the convenience of the majority of the citizens and at the end, a change in the Law for the real security and wellness of Americans.


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djufo said:
Maybe trying to fight against the law is not the best way. Law is made from proffessionals who has one objective in common. Ensure the security and wellness of the citizens.

Your assumption is incorrect on two levels, thus destroying the rest of your theory. First, the job requirement of a lawmaker in the States is not to have the 'common good' in mind, but rather the funds, time, and ambition to succeed in a popularity contest. Secondarily, even if their goal was the 'common good' they are not as a collective or in an individual sense infallible or omniscent thus they legislate from a position of ignorance in many instances. For every intelligent juicehead you could have speaking elloquently before a senate comittee, you could probably find 1000 people who would come forth with horror stories and teary eyes on C-Span that would steal the limelight.
 
Prove your comments. I'm not incorrect. You "think" i'm incorrect. That's different. If you are a lawyer working for the governemnt I believe you. This is just your opinion. I stay with mine.
 
I personally know of only one person that died from steroid related issues. He got a staff infection from shooting winny with a dirty needle. So that does not even count because it was not the winny that killed him it was stupidity. Also the media uses buzz words like roid rage. Give me a break! I have been taking gear for 10 years and I never lost control of my temper. Some people try to use that as a excuse for their actions but they are just assholes to begin with. After my last competition i got a full physical and my doctor asked me straight out if I took gear. I said yes and he was phsyched to ask me questions about it. I dazeled him with my knowledge and he did some extra test and I was in perfect health. The thing was he wanted to know more about the subject because they don't know any thing about them.
 
I don't agree.

1. Most anti-drug zealots secretely want steroid users to suffer and die. They want us to suffer and die so they can point their finger and have ammo to justify their prejudices. If i don't die because i am competent about PCT, sterile injections, side effects, cycling, etc. anti-drug zealots will just find someone who isn't. And no matter what you do someone will fuck up or experience a fuck up. People on EF still get staph infections, just very rarely.

2. I'm deeply against only letting plat members post their cycles. us non-plats contribute to this board too and we deserve rights as well. If it weren't for hordes of non-plats there wouldn't be as much money for advertising on this board, and teh culture would not be nearly as thorough if only plats posted.

I am however strongly in favor of dispelling myths and stereotypes at any/all occasions. And i do do this, but its hard to prove you are a competent person and not just some 'dumbass drug user justifying his lifestyle'. I try to be calm, collected, and use facts to disprove the myths. If people say 'steroids' cause breast growth, i go into a short explanation about aromatization and how you can avoid it using either non-aromatizing drugs, aromatize inhibitors or estrogen receptor blockers. If people talk about hair loss I talk about drugs that don't convert to DHT as much and rogaine. etc. But if you come across as an emotional juicer you lose alot of credibility. Would you take a gang member who justified gangs seriously, or a white supremicist who justifies nazism seriously? nope, you'd just wait for him to shut up so you can lecture him/yell at him. People view us the same way so you have to be dispassioned and use facts at all times if you want to get through to people.

And i would never talk to authorities about AAS usage. LOL.
 
djufo said:
Prove your comments. I'm not incorrect. You "think" i'm incorrect. That's different. If you are a lawyer working for the governemnt I believe you. This is just your opinion. I stay with mine.

I can easily prove the first part of my assertion in that most lawmakers are elected officials or apointed by elected officials, hence to reach that post they have to win a popularity contest as that is essentially what an election is. Most votes=most popularity. The second point is infered by even your own statements as you claim there is something wrong with the execution of law which is executed by the elected or apointed officials, so obviously you are conceding error on their behalf or a problem wouldn't even exist. The part about the senate comittee is infered from observing historical witch hunts. The tactic used is to create a scenario of horror and pathos so morally repulsive that reason flies out the window as it is viewed as corrupt to admonish victims of the horror and pathos by essentially telling them that they are lying.

What does being a lawyer who works for the government have to do with the merit of the statements? If that is the standard by which this can be settled, were both out of luck unless you are a lawyer who works for the government. Perhaps that is why you believe we should help the authorities, Mr. John Ashcroft?

They don't care about a theory like PCT. That can be viewed in a negative light. By admitting you need PCT you are admitting that these substances damage your body and that the damage needs fixing after the cycle, hence the steriods are not innocuous and harmless. Taking liver protectants? Well you are admitting these things destroy your liver now. So much for the safety of these substances. One alarmist can easily tear arguments for safety apart.
 
They don't care about a theory like PCT. That can be viewed in a negative light. By admitting you need PCT you are admitting that these substances damage your body and that the damage needs fixing after the cycle, hence the steriods are not innocuous and harmless. Taking liver protectants? Well you are admitting these things destroy your liver now. So much for the safety of these substances. One alarmist can easily tear arguments for safety apart.[/QUOTE]


Dude if you start looking at things like that you'll start running in circles. In that case, if we use to eat red meat and we do cardio to help keep our cholesterols level down, we are admitting that red meat "destroy" our hearts and should be banned from restaurants....don't try to be technical here. This is just philosophy.
 
djufo said:
They don't care about a theory like PCT. That can be viewed in a negative light. By admitting you need PCT you are admitting that these substances damage your body and that the damage needs fixing after the cycle, hence the steriods are not innocuous and harmless. Taking liver protectants? Well you are admitting these things destroy your liver now. So much for the safety of these substances. One alarmist can easily tear arguments for safety apart.


Dude if you start looking at things like that you'll start running in circles. In that case, if we use to eat red meat and we do cardio to help keep our cholesterols level down, we are admitting that red meat "destroy" our hearts and should be banned from restaurants....don't try to be technical here. This is just philosophy.[/QUOTE]

Now you are starting to see the problem with banning and censoring things as one banning or censoring just opens a gateway for another. It's a matter of personal liberty in my mind, not a matter of damage control dictated by the government. Let people make choices (anti-banning) based on exchange of information available (anti-censoring). Keep the government out of it, as a taxpayer you have to pay for the enforcement of laws you don't support.
 
I think censoring what newbies see and read is a bad idea, How could you ever hope to educate them to the point that they can put together theyre own cycle if the information they need to do that they cant see. The board is fine the way it is IMO. Sure people make bad decisions and rush into things without thinking but if the information they needed wasnt here or they couldnt read it until someone said they knew enough about the subject that they could read it, Then it would be a whole lot worse. If thats the case then theres lots of things I dont know and doses of some compounds that I wouldnt know to take. I could make an educated guese but thats no use. Should I be prevented from asking for the information I need?
 
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