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Frank Zane, anyone know what steroids he used?

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Santa_Claus said:
How did he achieve that look? Training method or choice of steroids?
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Jesus.......

That kid took just about everything......

Don't get me started.




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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
No get started, I want to hear ;)
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Aight, nugga....

Consider everything Arnold took in the same dosages......that's Zane give or take a D-bol tab or two.....

All the guys in that era were megadosing.....



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He must have had shitty genetics then lol, since he competed at what, 185lbs at 5'10"? Granted he was lean as hell, and had great shape, but if he used mega-doses of gear and was still that small, something was seriously off in his diet/training. Just MO though :)
 
Tux said:
He must have had shitty genetics then lol, since he competed at what, 185lbs at 5'10"? Granted he was lean as hell, and had great shape, but if he used mega-doses of gear and was still that small, something was seriously off in his diet/training. Just MO though :)
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I said he used the same gear that Arnold did, not that he did the same routines......

Arnold was insane.....and Zane focused on legs way too much.




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Zane admitted to using the same as everyone else...and he also admitted to being a T3 junkie. He supposedly take T3 now because he screwed his thyroid up so bad.
 
Yeah, I can see T3 abuse in Zane... always freakishly lean but never really big, the exact body you'd get with gear and too much T3. And yeah Zane overworked legs, I remember in a video I have of him, he said he used to do 5 sets of leg extensions every day no matter what he trained.
 
I've actually talked to frank about this one.
He never really took dbol... said it made him bloat too much.
Primo tabs they brought back from europe and testosterone were his main two. Later on he used HGH but that was after he competed.
 
csobel said:
I've actually talked to frank about this one.
He never really took dbol... said it made him bloat too much.
Primo tabs they brought back from europe and testosterone were his main two. Later on he used HGH but that was after he competed.
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I didn't think HGH was on the scene in those days?
 
That's why I said "after he competed" aka throughout the 90's. Check out the cover of "fabulously fit forever" and you'll get the gist.
 
TheRide said:
I didn't think HGH was on the scene in those days?
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They made hGH from cadavers back then. A Bunch of BB't took it, and then the medical community realized that it could transmit genetic diseases. It freaked a bunch of people out.
 
daveyboy2345 said:
Frank did more isolation exercises so he could control exactly where he increased his body parts. Vince Gironda is credited as guiding Frank with his symmetrical physique.

www.vincegironda.com
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Zane has that physique from gentetics first of all, and he never chose to lift heavy and get massive. He's all about asthetics. I think that's just a plug Gironda paid Zane for. Every bodybuilder uses some technique from other ppl and creates thier own workout. Scott, Gironda, Mentzer...etc.

But I will say the Olympia likes to change the "looks" of champions to shake up the competition and show ppl that they have an objective view on physiques.
Zane came around after Arnold won 6 straight. Two totally different builds.
Now it's the era of "how big can they get". And it will end with Coleman, and when he retires you'll see someone with great asthetics and balance come up .Bye, bye Cutler, and Ruhl, and Hello to guys like Dexter, and Badell. Gustavo has a gut, but it's not that bad. Oh well
 
I personally don't believe the olympia will ever go to dexter, cause now the name of the game is mass and if you don't have mass you ain't gonna win, but don't get me wrong dexter has mass but not like Ruhl, Cutler, Badell, and coleman have.
 
Yes this is very true. He never benched more than 315 for a few reps, but he could squat more than arnie according to workeout journals (405 for ten reps, vs. arnies 405 for 8). Also he could apparently deadlift over 500 for a few reps circa the 1981 mr. olympia when he was up to 205lbs and kind of unrecognizable.
 
nipples said:
I personally don't believe the olympia will ever go to dexter, cause now the name of the game is mass and if you don't have mass you ain't gonna win, but don't get me wrong dexter has mass but not like Ruhl, Cutler, Badell, and coleman have.
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Exactly my point bro. No one will ever be as big or bigger than Coleman. I think when he leaves, the "freak" craze is going to go away. Most ppl don't even like the freakish build. It's all fkn distorted and unbalanced. You still need mass, but it's getting out of hand. When will it stop? After Coleman imho. Like I mentioned before, The Olympia likes to change things around after such a drastic presence has been champ for consecutive years. Cutler may be champ after Coleman leaves by way of politics and playing second fiddle to Ronnie. But if someone comes out of nowhere one season with an amazing physique, Cutler is in trouble again.
 
I disagree with coleman being the biggest ever. Maybe not before 5 years but soon there will be way bigger guys then him. Its just the way the world works the supps will get better so will the genetics. Eventually (10 years being the most) someone will surpass coleman and then everyone will be saying no one will ever be bigger then him.



toxicsambo said:
Exactly my point bro. No one will ever be as big or bigger than Coleman. I think when he leaves, the "freak" craze is going to go away. Most ppl don't even like the freakish build. It's all fkn distorted and unbalanced. You still need mass, but it's getting out of hand. When will it stop? After Coleman imho. Like I mentioned before, The Olympia likes to change things around after such a drastic presence has been champ for consecutive years. Cutler may be champ after Coleman leaves by way of politics and playing second fiddle to Ronnie. But if someone comes out of nowhere one season with an amazing physique, Cutler is in trouble again.
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tommboy said:
I disagree with coleman being the biggest ever. Maybe not before 5 years but soon there will be way bigger guys then him. Its just the way the world works the supps will get better so will the genetics. Eventually (10 years being the most) someone will surpass coleman and then everyone will be saying no one will ever be bigger then him.
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The stage will end up being filled with veiny meatballs waddling around and out of breath after 2 steps. I can see it now "Mr Olympia 2050, winner at 430 lbs with his amazing front most muscular foot pose. Look at the peak on his big toe!!" :spin:
 
I can seriously say that is not a unrealistic





toxicsambo said:
The stage will end up being filled with veiny meatballs waddling around and out of breath after 2 steps. I can see it now "Mr Olympia 2050, winner at 430 lbs with his amazing front most muscular foot pose. Look at the peak on his big toe!!" :spin:
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Yeah lol sad but true. In the 90's very few people thought 300lbs offseason was attainable in decent shape, even if you were over 6ft. Now guys are under 6ft and competing at 300lbs, well coleman anyway at 296, 5'11". He could easily be 300+ onstage, and there are guys waiting in the wings somewhere that are bigger than coleman, or will be with time. It's insane, but honestly I still love watching it, freaks are cool :)
 
toxicsambo said:
Exactly my point bro. No one will ever be as big or bigger than Coleman. I think when he leaves, the "freak" craze is going to go away. Most ppl don't even like the freakish build. It's all fkn distorted and unbalanced. You still need mass, but it's getting out of hand. When will it stop? After Coleman imho. Like I mentioned before, The Olympia likes to change things around after such a drastic presence has been champ for consecutive years. Cutler may be champ after Coleman leaves by way of politics and playing second fiddle to Ronnie. But if someone comes out of nowhere one season with an amazing physique, Cutler is in trouble again.
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BabyItalianSamboPet.....

U fuckin' serious, bro?

I've seen (and worked with) guys bigger than Coleman in the military. Guys who were already huge because of genetics and they didn't lift either.... One dude, a cook, had to have his BDU uniforms made special for him because he was so fucking huge......6'5 and 300+lbs at least.......granted this guy wasn't a lifter or a bodybuilder...he just did the Army PT, but genetic-wise he was a beast......made Ronnie look like Dexter......

There are people out there who could be bigger than Ronnie if they chose to compete.....I have no doubts about that shit.





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DIVISION said:
BabyItalianSamboPet.....

U fuckin' serious, bro?

I've seen (and worked with) guys bigger than Coleman in the military. Guys who were already huge because of genetics and they didn't lift either.... One dude, a cook, had to have his BDU uniforms made special for him because he was so fucking huge......6'5 and 300+lbs at least.......granted this guy wasn't a lifter or a bodybuilder...he just did the Army PT, but genetic-wise he was a beast......made Ronnie look like Dexter......

There are people out there who could be bigger than Ronnie if they chose to compete.....I have no doubts about that shit.





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The point of my post is being missed. It's not that ppl CAN"T get over 300lbs for contest shape or in general. It's not about who can transform into Godzilla. The point is it has to end somewhere. How big is someone's gut going to be coming in at 350lbs? How much of an eyesore is the person going to be to the audience and the judges? I like Ronnie, but he doesn't have a statuesque physique like Arnold, Mentzer, Nubret, Ray, and Yates. He fits the term "freak" perfectly. Is every competitor in the Olympia pushed to be over 300lbs contest shape now? It's just a question of thought regarding the Olympia, not how big can a man get. If someone gets up to 500lbs of muscle on stage, is that desirable and is that is what's required to be Mr. Olympia?
 
toxicsambo said:
The point of my post is being missed. It's not that ppl CAN"T get over 300lbs for contest shape or in general. It's not about who can transform into Godzilla. The point is it has to end somewhere. How big is someone's gut going to be coming in at 350lbs? How much of an eyesore is the person going to be to the audience and the judges? I like Ronnie, but he doesn't have a statuesque physique like Arnold, Mentzer, Nubret, Ray, and Yates. He fits the term "freak" perfectly. Is every competitor in the Olympia pushed to be over 300lbs contest shape now? It's just a question of thought regarding the Olympia, not how big can a man get. If someone gets up to 500lbs of muscle on stage, is that desirable and is that is what's required to be Mr. Olympia?
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BabySamboPet......

I think that's a spillover from our society's "bigger is better" ideal. Of course Ronnie's GH Gut should have kept him from winning several of the Olympias, there were better physiques, but the judges want mass and freaky size.......and that is why he wins by default.

Yates, I don't agree with as being in that same group......he won at least two Olympias that he shouldn't have.......torn triceps/biceps and it was plainly obvious that his symmetry had suffered, but politics made sure Yates didn't lose. I don't think Ronnie is a Mr. Olympia......but the criteria has been so perverted that it's really not the Mr. Olympia anymore. What is it?

Mr. Godzilla, I guess...... :rolleyes:



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I remember Zane was a guest star on the old Hart to Hart show (I am old). I remember he was wearing a 3 piece suit that was waaaay too tight - he looked like a house. I can't beleive he was only 185!


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Santa_Claus said:
How did he achieve that look? Training method or choice of steroids?

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A barbell.
Really though, I heard he used a LOT of T3. He used so much that now he has to take Thrroid medication for the rest of his life...
Great physique though, one of my favorites.
Bionic
 
Zane's physique is the result of his genetics and to a lesser extent training style. He couldn't have built a Dorian Yates type body no matter what he took, and vice versa.
 
DIVISION said:
BabySamboPet......

I think that's a spillover from our society's "bigger is better" ideal. Of course Ronnie's GH Gut should have kept him from winning several of the Olympias, there were better physiques, but the judges want mass and freaky size.......and that is why he wins by default.

Yates, I don't agree with as being in that same group......he won at least two Olympias that he shouldn't have.......torn triceps/biceps and it was plainly obvious that his symmetry had suffered, but politics made sure Yates didn't lose. I don't think Ronnie is a Mr. Olympia......but the criteria has been so perverted that it's really not the Mr. Olympia anymore. What is it?

Mr. Godzilla, I guess...... :rolleyes:

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I'll take an injured Yates over a healthy Coleman anyday , do i think coleman could tear his Biceps/Triceps and have internal bleeding 8 weeks out from the olympia nearly die in the hospital and still have the resolve to come back and win the olympia 2 months later F**k no. Bodybuilding is somtimes more then just physical its about guts and the resolve to over come seemingly insurmountable odds Yates had it like no one else. When yates was healthy he was untouchable and had an all around hardness that coleman has never possessed , what Yates lacked in Genetics he made up for in intelligence and just flat out taking every workout like it was his last one on this planet. That is a MR. Olympia regardless of injury.
 
yatesolympia said:
I'll take an injured Yates over a healthy Coleman anyday , do i think coleman could tear his Biceps/Triceps and have internal bleeding 8 weeks out from the olympia nearly die in the hospital and still have the resolve to come back and win the olympia 2 months later F**k no. Bodybuilding is somtimes more then just physical its about guts and the resolve to over come seemingly insurmountable odds Yates had it like no one else. When yates was healthy he was untouchable and had an all around hardness that coleman has never possessed , what Yates lacked in Genetics he made up for in intelligence and just flat out taking every workout like it was his last one on this planet. That is a MR. Olympia regardless of injury.
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That's not what compeition is about. Competition is how you look ON STAGE, not what it took to get there. Nasser looked better than Yates and should have won
 
Tux said:
Yeah, I can see T3 abuse in Zane... always freakishly lean but never really big, the exact body you'd get with gear and too much T3. And yeah Zane overworked legs, I remember in a video I have of him, he said he used to do 5 sets of leg extensions every day no matter what he trained.
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Exactly, Frank Zane's main drug was T3. His thyroid is shut down permanently because of his abuse
 
BOOEY said:
That's not what compeition is about. Competition is how you look ON STAGE, not what it took to get there. Nasser looked better than Yates and should have won
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I agree w/ baby booey......those two Olympias were gifts to Yates. That year Nasser beat Yates at his own game "mass" and looked better. I just lose respect for a "sport?" when it comes down to politics. I agree that Yates had the drive and determination that few possess, but that doesn't mean he should be awarded the Olympia when his torn biceps/triceps are hanging off like slabs of meat. It was pathetic....



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