9 Days Into PCT

[Discreet User]

Stats:
Age: 22
Height: 5'07"
Weight: 174
Fat %: 10-12
Cycle history: 1st cycle
Years training: 3+
Diet on cycle: 4500kcal per day

This is what I currently have going on:
Today is Sunday 9/19/10. I did my last Test Cyp shot of 200mg on Friday 9/10/10. It has been 9 days since my last Test injection.

My cycle was 400mg/week Test Cyp (shot 2 times per week) & Arimidex .5mg EOD. My Test levels were over 1500ng/dl on cycle and estrogen stayed within the normal reference interval.

I ran hcg at 500iu per dose at 3 x per week for 3 weeks. Two of those hcg weeks being on cycle, and the last week being the week immediately following cessation of testosterone. Testicles seem to have returned to pre-cycle size. First few days after stopping test were rough, but now I feel fine. Erections are strong and the girlfriend is staying satisfied. I gained 10 pounds of true MUSCLE while on cycle and shed ~2% body fat.

4 days after my last Test injection I began taking Aromasin at 25mg ED. My plan is to run Aromasin at 25mg ED for 7 days, then reduce to 12.5mg EOD and add in Nolvadex 10mg per day. I do not have Clomid on hand.

After PCT is completed I will have my levels checked and if they have returned to baseline I will soon begin my next cycle. I am doctor scripted and monitored by the way.

This is what PCT looks like:
Weeks
11: Aromasin 25mg ED & hcg 500iu 3 x per week
12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED
13: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED
14: Nolvadex 10mg ED

Any suggestions?

 

[joshuaua]

Stats:
Age: 22
Height: 5'07"
Weight: 174
Fat %: 10-12
Cycle history: 1st cycle
Years training: 3+
Diet on cycle: 4500kcal per day

This is what I currently have going on:
Today is Sunday 9/19/10. I did my last Test Cyp shot of 200mg on Friday 9/10/10. It has been 9 days since my last Test injection.

My cycle was 400mg/week Test Cyp (shot 2 times per week) & Arimidex .5mg EOD. My Test levels were over 1500ng/dl on cycle and estrogen stayed within the normal reference interval.

I ran hcg at 500iu per dose at 3 x per week for 3 weeks. Two of those hcg weeks being on cycle, and the last week being the week immediately following cessation of testosterone. Testicles seem to have returned to pre-cycle size. First few days after stopping test were rough, but now I feel fine. Erections are strong and the girlfriend is staying satisfied. I gained 10 pounds of true MUSCLE while on cycle and shed ~2% body fat.

4 days after my last Test injection I began taking Aromasin at 25mg ED. My plan is to run Aromasin at 25mg ED for 7 days, then reduce to 12.5mg EOD and add in Nolvadex 10mg per day. I do not have Clomid on hand.

After PCT is completed I will have my levels checked and if they have returned to baseline I will soon begin my next cycle. I am doctor scripted and monitored by the way.

This is what PCT looks like:
Weeks
11: Aromasin 25mg ED & hcg 500iu 3 x per week
12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED
13: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED
14: Nolvadex 10mg ED

Any suggestions?

no suggestions here. it honestly looks like you've got all of your bases covered, especially for a fairly mid-low dosed test only cycle. thumbs up bro

 

[babushka]

Wait a little bit more before test clears your system completely.I am glad you feel great but you are basically still on gear.

 

[Discreet User]

Wait a little bit more before test clears your system completely.I am glad you feel great but you are basically still on gear.

That's not what I wanted to hear

I was thinking the same thing though, that maybe I've still got a good amount of exogenous Test floating around.

Going to start Nolvadex tomorrow at 10mg ED; should I expect to feel anything from the Nolvadex?

 

[Discreet User]

Thanks everyone for the support.

I just wanted to post this up in order to make sure my PCT looks ok.

 

[lartinos]

Ya, you are not into post cycle like earlier stated. Nolvadex works better at 20mg's a day for me personally. Be aware of achy joints and such though by combining the two.

 

[babushka]

I am not really PCT expert since I've lost 12lb from 20 gained on cycle.But my PCT was 200mg clomid-60mg nolvadex 1 day,then 100/40 next 10days,then 50/20 next 10 days.

You are not going to feel anything from nolva.Bump nolva to 20mg if you have more.

Let us know how your pct goes.

 

[Discreet User]

Ya, you are not into post cycle like earlier stated. Nolvadex works better at 20mg's a day for me personally. Be aware of achy joints and such though by combining the two.

I've been considering joints as well. That's the reason why I want to keep Nolvadex at 10mg only.

What, if anything, could I notice which would signal that I need to add more

I've got lots of Nolvadex on hand.

 

[Discreet User]

I am not really PCT expert since I've lost 12lb from 20 gained on cycle.But my PCT was 200mg clomid-60mg nolvadex 1 day,then 100/40 next 10days,then 50/20 next 10 days.

You are not going to feel anything from nolva.Bump nolva to 20mg if you have more.

Let us know how your pct goes.

I've got loads of Nolvadex on hand plus it only costs me $10 for 30 tabs with my medical insurance

 

[lartinos]

I've been considering joints as well. That's the reason why I want to keep Nolvadex at 10mg only.

What, if anything, could I notice which would signal that I need to add more

I've got lots of Nolvadex on hand.

Just my personal experience as I've taken it for gyno as well.
I just didn't feel much at 10mg's. I don't see many guys ever say they will use under 20 either.

 

[Discreet User]

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[babushka]

How is it going?

 

[HarryHarry]

Just wondering why the high doses of Nolva is being recommended. Alot of studies out there to show that above 25-30mg is pointless?

 

[Discreet User]

Just wondering why the high doses of Nolva is being recommended. Alot of studies out there to show that above 25-30mg is pointless?

Thank you for pointing this out. I'm sticking to 10mg ED for now. Everything I get is from the pharmacy so it may be that pharmacy grade is simply better quality than UG, thus the high dosage recommendations from UG users.

 

[Discreet User]

How is it going?

12 days into PCT and feeling great. No noticeable changes in weight or size.

Libido is strong, just as it was pre-cycle.

Feeling a bit less energetic than I did while on the juice.

I also feel it takes longer to recover in between sets at the gym.

Now I'm busy planning my 2nd cycle Test, var, and possibly deca; any suggestions?

 

[pbhardbody]

I agree - 10mg Nolva/tamoxifen is a good dose for PCT. In my experience, if you are fighting gyno issues, while on, you will need to go with 20mg doses, but that is because you are on cycle so you have the injected test pushing your estrogen higher, thus causing more gyno symptoms. So it takes a little more Nolva to push it down to the point that the gyno symptoms are gone.

 

[pbhardbody]

12 days into PCT and feeling great. No noticeable changes in weight or size.

Libido is strong, just as it was pre-cycle.

Feeling a bit less energetic than I did while on the juice.

I also feel it takes longer to recover in between sets at the gym.

Now I'm busy planning my 2nd cycle Test, var, and possibly deca; any suggestions?

Is your doc going to script you deca and var? I put up a pretty informative thread on deca a couple months ago. You can read it here:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/can-i-really-cut-deca-713089.html

 

[Discreet User]

21 days into PCT.

Stuck with 12.5mg aromasin EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED

Week 4 will be my final week of PCT. In week 4 I'll drop the aromasin and do 10mg Nolvadex ED.

Lost only 4 pounds since coming off cycle. Not bad at all.

In about 3 weeks I'll have labs done in order to determine if I'm ready for the next cycle

 

[Discreet User]

Is your doc going to script you deca and var? I put up a pretty informative thread on deca a couple months ago. You can read it here:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/can-i-really-cut-deca-713089.html

Thanks for the link.

My primary TRT doc won't script Deca, however I met with another doc who is willing to prescribe me 200mg/week of Deca for joint stiffness.

Now I need to figure out exactly which ancillaries I will need for a Test/Deca stack.

 

[babushka]

You lost less than half that's a good result.
You mention your TRT doctor are you planning to go on TRT?

 

[Discreet User]

You lost less than half that's a good result.
You mention your TRT doctor are you planning to go on TRT?

That's a question I've been asking myself quite a bit lately...

I'm 22 and my baseline test level is in the low 400's for total T.

The cycle I recently completed was a trial run of what my doc wants me on for permanent TRT.

For now, I've decided to run at least one more cycle in order to decide whether or not I want to stay on or keep cycling on and off.

My life just seemed so much better on 400mg/week of Cypionate than it did before.

I've always been healthy, active, and ate well. The reason why I would have low T in my early 20's baffles the doctors and myself. Keep in mind I never touched any AAS before this TRT run or before having my baseline labs established.

My only true concerns about going on TRT are infertility and prostate health.

 

[endojuicedr]

Low 400s are not a reason to go on trt. Your doctor is irresponsible and most likely just looking to make more money. I can already tell though that you're going to do another cycle too soon, screw up your natty test even more and just use it as an excuse to go on trt.

 

[stevesmi]

looks like you are very knowledgeable for a 21 year old, I give you mad props for doing your research. however let me tell you as someone more experienced you are naive saying you feel good right now and let me tell you why. re-think what you said "After PCT is completed I will have my levels checked and if they have returned to baseline I will soon begin my next cycle"

like babuska said above the test wont clear your system for 3 weeks, then your body will need to start producing test on its own and recover.

good for you for running a PCT but you will start noticing a drop in libido and strength. I want you to run a solid PCT for a month. then you need to STOP for 3+ months to allow your body to recover!! dont go hopping on another cycle until you are recovered!!!!! do a blood test 2 weeks after your PCT.. then do another one after 3 full months. if you are recovered then pat yourself on the back and you will be ready for your next cycle.

keep those cycles short.. and always take time on= time off + PCT MINIMUM!!

my last injection was 4th of July. I was still making gains for 3 weeks after. then the crash came. i ran 2 PCT's and my test levels are still at 119.. 1 month ago they were 98. so they are SLOWLY rebounding. i am on my 3rd PCT now (a very aggressive one.. 2000 iu's hcg every 4 days.. 50mg clomid ED.. 40mg nolva ED. unleashed, bridge..

waiting 2 weeks at the conclusion and then am gonna re-test if my levels continue to rebound I am gonna stop everything and let my body recover for a full 3 months BEFORE running another cycle. if I am still in the low 100's then I dunno what i'll do??

i have everything for my next cycle but I am being patient and waiting for my body to rebound.

hope this helps and keep up the good research.

 

[babushka]

yeah man don't rush yourself into TRT

 

[caribeman]

I agree with everyone here. I believe and have experienced that regardless of PCT you need to let your body begin its own production of Test (even if you had low test to begin with). I would think that 8 weeks on 8 weeks off plus extra time for blood test would be a good rule to follow. Eating clean and working out is non-stop while on or off.

 

[Discreet User]

Low 400s are not a reason to go on trt. Your doctor is irresponsible and most likely just looking to make more money. I can already tell though that you're going to do another cycle too soon, screw up your natty test even more and just use it as an excuse to go on trt.

I am in no way looking for an excuse to go on TRT.

I would much prefer my natty levels be high rather than require exogenous test.

 

[Discreet User]

looks like you are very knowledgeable for a 21 year old, I give you mad props for doing your research. however let me tell you as someone more experienced you are naive saying you feel good right now and let me tell you why. re-think what you said "After PCT is completed I will have my levels checked and if they have returned to baseline I will soon begin my next cycle"

like babuska said above the test wont clear your system for 3 weeks, then your body will need to start producing test on its own and recover.

good for you for running a PCT but you will start noticing a drop in libido and strength. I want you to run a solid PCT for a month. then you need to STOP for 3+ months to allow your body to recover!! dont go hopping on another cycle until you are recovered!!!!! do a blood test 2 weeks after your PCT.. then do another one after 3 full months. if you are recovered then pat yourself on the back and you will be ready for your next cycle.

keep those cycles short.. and always take time on= time off + PCT MINIMUM!!

my last injection was 4th of July. I was still making gains for 3 weeks after. then the crash came. i ran 2 PCT's and my test levels are still at 119.. 1 month ago they were 98. so they are SLOWLY rebounding. i am on my 3rd PCT now (a very aggressive one.. 2000 iu's hcg every 4 days.. 50mg clomid ED.. 40mg nolva ED. unleashed, bridge..

waiting 2 weeks at the conclusion and then am gonna re-test if my levels continue to rebound I am gonna stop everything and let my body recover for a full 3 months BEFORE running another cycle. if I am still in the low 100's then I dunno what i'll do??

i have everything for my next cycle but I am being patient and waiting for my body to rebound.

hope this helps and keep up the good research.

Thank you for the detailed response & info. I'm in no rush to jump on my next cycle, but I do like to plan in advance.

I'm sorry to hear about your recovery issues. I've actually been following your progress since you were on that last cycle. If I remember correctly you also suffered from a sterile abscess.

At 22 years old its discouraging to see that my father has higher natty T levels than I do.

I don't want to rush into TRT, but then again I do truly suffer from hypogonadism without ever having touched AAS.

This begs the question; Why not go on TRT?

 

[stevesmi]

Thank you for the detailed response & info. I'm in no rush to jump on my next cycle, but I do like to plan in advance.

I'm sorry to hear about your recovery issues. I've actually been following your progress since you were on that last cycle. If I remember correctly you also suffered from a sterile abscess.

At 22 years old its discouraging to see that my father has higher natty T levels than I do.

I don't want to rush into TRT, but then again I do truly suffer from hypogonadism without ever having touched AAS.

This begs the question; Why not go on TRT?

yes my sterile abcess went away after a couple months!

why stay away from TRT, I would say that do you want to be injecting yourself for the rest of your life? also TRT doesn't necessarily mean good things.. there is a guy on here who had 450 levels went on HRT then his levels are now actually lower and his sperm count is zero. and he is doctor prescribed........ so it isn't always all its cracked up to be

testosterone isn't everything when it comes to lifting or feeling good etc. there are other factors. at this point i would gladly take 400+ total test. I am in the low 100's and am still looking good and feeling good. i think people overrate test levels too much.