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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 03, 2000 12:35 AM
  
Got this e-mail toay: Dear WarLobo, I would like to cycle ana and Primo (sensitive to it) Clen(very small amount like .5 tab due to headaches), GH, and T3. Let see what we can come up with folks...!!! Late Lobo p.s. be as detailed a possible!!! IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 03, 2000 12:01 PM
Did I fail to mention a PRIZE?!?!? Well there is one!!! And I think you will like it  Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 03, 2000 12:13 PM
A few quick questions. Starting place i.e. height, weight, bf, experience in the gym etc. Also what are the goals here? Size, strength, leaness? Are we training for a sport or fitness/bodybuilding? With the 'ingredients' we are using I wouldn't describe this 'soup' as 'light'. Yes it would be easy enough to say "take this and eat that" but without knowing where we start it is impossible to figure out where we'll end up. I'm really anxious to hear what everyone has to say. BTW what's the prize?? WW IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 03, 2000 02:25 PM
Good questions WW, same ones I have to ask on most every reply to an e-mail question! LL, you out there? Care to provide us with your stats???
Lobo p.s. And trust me on the prize ... it a prim of a deal IP: Logged |
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LisaLove Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted May 03, 2000 02:50 PM
Here are the stats: Sex: Female Drugs in my preffered toolbox: IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 03, 2000 04:06 PM
Now we have something to cook with!! Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 219) |
posted May 03, 2000 05:00 PM
Hmmmmmm 12 weeks to lose approx 12-14 lbs. That should be easy without the Clen. Why take it if you can accomplish your goals without it and it makes you sick? Same applies to the Primo really. If you get sides with Primo and no sides with Anavar then again it seems you've nearly answered your own questions. With that in mind (and a few other assumptions about your diet and exercise regime at present) I would opt for this cycle: Weeks 12-10 Weeks 10-8 Weeks 6- Continue as above, increasing cardio if only if necessary. If you still feel a little short of your goals you can effectively add in the Clen 2-3 weeks out. As always keep an eye on your morning temp. If it drops too much you options are At any stage during the 12 weeks if your morning temp drops too much you should move forward to the next progression (ie if after only 10 days of dieting your temp drops, then up your cardio, etc...) Other than that, don't drop your calories too much-you only need to take in 500 cals per day less than you burn to meet your goal. And keep training heavy. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 03, 2000 05:24 PM
My crystal ball has told me she has PLENTY of GH to use, how should we roll this in??? And as a side note, the anavar is at least four weeks away  Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 219) |
posted May 03, 2000 06:20 PM
It's no biggie if she doesn't start the Anavar for the first 4 weeks. Maybe a touch of Primo for the first few weeks just to help preserve muscle mass? But either of these drugs become more important towards the end of her diet. As for the GH, it becomes more attractive if she doesn't have access to A/S to help preserve muscle mass. You say there may be LOTS?? Perhaps a couple of units after her awesome weights workouts. As long as she keeps an eye on her insulin levels. I've seen some nice results with a fitness lady recently using GH in a 4 days on/4 days off fashion but she did develop some insulin insensitivity (hopefully temporary). Not sure if this was due to the GH or the Winny though. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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LisaLove Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted May 03, 2000 06:45 PM
MS, thanks for the help. So, today I will eat how many mg Primo? My voice got hoarse in the past off 5 tabs (which I think is 25mg/day... yes,I was dumb and innocent) I would like to take 2 ius of GH at bedtime on training days(3 on, 1 off) Cardio 30 min on empty in A.M. 5x per week and will increase cardio later in cycle. Calorie deficit is 10% of maintainance, with 40%P, 35%C, 25%F Training till my mascara has run down my chest at the gym. About the yohimbe... what about eating it as well as rubbing the trouble spots? Should I mix it with thiomucase for the rub or is DMSO better? Is creatine a waste while on low dose of Primo? I have been loading it to get bloated:-) IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 219) |
posted May 03, 2000 07:04 PM
Yow LisaLove 25mg every day right off the bat is a bit steep. Did the hoarseness go away after you discontinued? If you still really want to use the Primo, go slowly! Maybe 5mg ed this week, 10 mg ed next week and if no sides MAYBE 15 mgs the next week. Better to go slow on the Primo and get stuck in when your Anavar arrives.If you're still going well on the Primo you can just start adding in the Anavar when it arrives. As you can probably tell, I'm slightly conservative when it comes to drugs. Especially when the benefits are "temporary" and the side effects are potentially life long. Your GH routine sounds like a good one, as does your cardio and diet plan. Creatine is not a waste on Primo, just that you won't notice a BIG difference. The benefits of the Primo will certainly outweigh the creatine, but if you are cutting back lots on red meat and dairy products (as I assume you are!) then the extra creatine might help with your strength levels. Definitely dissolve the Yohimbine in DMSO. As I communicated to Texas Guns this a.m. it appears the DMSO may be an important part of the 'fat redistribution' effect seen with topical yohimbine. In other words, DMSO all by itself is of some benefit. You can also use thiomucase, but not at the same time as DMSO(maybe alternate days or weeks?). I can't advise on whether to take the yohimbine orally as well. Not enough is known about how much yohimbine ends up in your blood stream when applied topically. Just be careful about overdoing it, especially when combining yohimbine with an ECA stack. Having said all that, I have personally combined oral and topical yohimbine with no ill side effects. But that's why they call me the mad scientist! ------------------ [This message has been edited by MS (edited May 03, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 04, 2000 12:27 AM
I agree with the addition of the creatine when droping the meats.... You still need it, although I wouldn't load it like "they" tell ya. Very nice MS.... Anyone else going to chime in??!!??!! Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 219) |
posted May 04, 2000 02:56 PM
Yeah-more input. Where's FitnessChick? Too busy hanging out on the Anabolic board? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 04, 2000 08:14 PM
Ok ya'll here goes. I agree you probably don't need anything to assist your fat loss effort. At least not at first. I might go with the anavar 5mg ed for 1 week and upping to 10mg ed for the rest of the cycle if all is well. As far as the primo is concerned, 25mg/day x 7 days is 175mg/week. Way too much. I might try 50-100 mg /week inject along with the anavar. Watching closely for sides. I might go with a body opus type diet to see if that'll kick start your metabolism. Cardio 5x week 1st thing with e/c/a stack. More later WW IP: Logged |
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mossberg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted May 04, 2000 08:43 PM
Damn.......will you gals make me a cycle??lol IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 05, 2000 10:08 AM
A continuation... As far as the Gh is concerned, I would go with 4iu per day (2 iu in the am, 2 iu in the pm post work out, keep an eye on your blood sugar levels) up to 5 days/week max. I would wait till 6 weeks into the cycle to start the gh because it'll help with any additional fat loss you may need at that time. As far as the t3 is concerned I would only use 'as needeed'. With the body opus diet your metabolism should be pretty reved up. Keep in mind I have never used gh personally but to keep things in check I would definitely error on the side of caution. As we all know, for women in regard to 'supplimentation' we get better results going slowly and building up over a longer period of time. By week 9 or so you should be close to where you want. Use the last 3 weeks to make small adjustments in regard to your food intake and cardio. My philosophy for leanness is to use cardio and carb manipulation keeping protein as high as you can tolerate. Your training should be heavy and basic for at least the 1st 6-8 weeks. Simply because you get 'more bang for the buck'. Also a switch to more reps and medium weights will give your body another adjustment to make and as we all know to change is to grow. I would stay away from machines simply because they are for SISSYS!! Unless of course you are working with injury limitations. I think I've covered all bases. Mrs. Guns?? Where are you?? WW IP: Logged |
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LisaLove Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted May 05, 2000 02:45 PM
Thanks so much for all the help. I am even more determined to bust my ass making this work after getting such great assistance. I've been dieting/cardio in AM on empty for 3 days now and can already see my abs starting to come out and my upper body looking harder. I am going to look and feel awesome when I am to my goal! Any more insights would be appreciated! :-) About the GH... why not use it through the whole cycle? I heard it works great w/ steroids and I have plenty of it. IP: Logged |
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Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 448) |
posted May 05, 2000 05:55 PM
Lobo, Am I wrong in suggesting that she choose between either GH or steriods? Had someone tell me the other day that after using GH, they would never go back to steroids. This comes from a very heavy and very experienced AS user. Also, when I use Yohimbine and DMSO, I don't feel like it circulates through my bloodstream like it does when I take it by mouth. So I am doing both. What a rush!! But really I have a very high tolerance level when it comes to E/C/A stacks and the such. Wish I could help more on this cycle, but looks like I will do more learning on this one than advising. Mrs. TG ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 06, 2000 12:28 PM
About the gh LL, have you ever used it? What were your results? The reason I say wait is that you may not need it . Remember for women, less is more. I'm sure you'll reach your goals without it. Save it for another time, or farther down the line when you'll need the extra boost. If your goals are within reach without gh it'll be a waste. Mrs. TG, what did your friend say exactly in regard to her experience with gh. Why will she never go back to sauce? As I'm sure you can see, I'm looking into a gh experiment in the future, so I want to learn all I can. Please be as specific as possible. Any one else care to comment? Ain't this fun ya'll??!! Nice to have some real info from women with experience. Not to worry Lobo, we still loooove you!! WW IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 06, 2000 01:11 PM
WW, this is why I started this thread... to got YOU ALL more involved! I've gotton some great e-mails and wanted to open up the debate so we all could learn  TG, I'm very confused by the GH - no roids issue.... Never have I heard that once you take GH you should never go back on the juice. I have heard of heavy primo, gh, insulin cycles, but never use roids?!?!? Strange indeed. Maybe you could talk with him a bit more and get some additional insight..... IP: Logged |
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LisaLove Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted May 06, 2000 05:37 PM
I have never personally used GH, but my boyfriend used it on his last cycle and got to 282 w/abs. He's done lots of steroid cycles in the past and usually ends up looking big but puffy. This time he looked great! One of my girlfriends used it for 3 months at 2ius a day and went from 26%BF to 18% without changing her diet and exercise. She had no sides. Also have male friends who eat like shit and party like crazy and they look really good using it consistently! At this point I am using 2ius at night before bed on training days. It will be hard to tell if it works since my diet and training are perfect. IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 219) |
posted May 07, 2000 04:08 PM
Well well. This is a good post. I have never heard this kind of feedback about using GH by itself. I've heard it's great for cutting without losing gains, but I've never heard of anyone actually making significant gains on GH alone. If it's true, then maybe I'd better start saving for the GH! The question is will LisaLove be the guinea pig? Maybe I should be the guinea pig. LisaLove, just send me all of your GH and I'll do a GH-only cycle and you do the steroids/clenbuterol cycle and we'll see which works better (LOL) ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 448) |
posted May 08, 2000 01:31 PM
Sorry Lobo if my post was misguiding. The friend on GH is growing massively, loosing bodyfat all while sitting at home. He chooses that over AS because he is not experiencing all the side effects. This is not a recommendation, just an observation. He starts training soon, but already looks great. Why is it so dang easy for men????? (sigh) Mrs. Guns IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 09, 2000 10:09 AM
One word: Genetics Some got 'em, some don't. You can't really fight mother nature much. Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 448) |
posted May 09, 2000 02:45 PM
Oh.....must you remind me?? Well, off to the gym again!!! Mrs. Guns P.S. Thanks, Lobo, for your clen and T3 profiles. Very Informative!!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 11, 2000 10:12 AM
So I figure this thread has run it's course.... And the winner is????? WonderWomen - and a close second to the MS. Both gave some very good advise!! Drop me a line WW Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 448) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:35 PM
So what's the prize!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:28 PM
Gee folks,I'm speechless...(sniff,sniff). Do I winn an all expense paid vacation to Wai Kiki?? lol IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 568) |
posted May 12, 2000 12:07 AM
E-mail me WW Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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aten8 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 282) |
posted May 12, 2000 11:14 AM
Just my 2cents You might want to take your GH in the morning or after you train. I have experienced with many clients that when taken at night they can't sleep. And for a women I would suggest you not go above 3-4 iu's at most per day 2iu's is sufficent. AND SINCE YOU HAVE SO MUCH, HEY SHARE THE WEALTH. IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 219) |
posted May 12, 2000 03:14 PM
I've had similar experience with female clients as aten8. 2 units is really plenty, and taken too late in the day frequently causes sleeplessness. I don't think 4 units will do any harm, I just don't personally know and females who take that much. Many of the hugest males I know will take 4 units per day. I know the arguement that natural GH is released at it's highest levels when you first drop off to sleep, but many decades of research into children with GH deficiency have shown that it doesn't matter all that much when you take it as long as you get regular pulses of it. I guess my 2 cents plus aten8's 2 cents almost makes a nickel response? How's it going LisaLove? You will keep us posted won't you? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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LisaLove Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted May 12, 2000 03:45 PM
Thanks for asking... its going great. I am only using a small amount of pharmaceutical assitance at this point and will bump it up in a couple of weeks. My veins in my arms and lower legs are coming out. I can tell my BF has dropped and will test it next week. Training hard but not getting too sore. Think that could be the 5 mgs of Primo/day? It's nice cuz I'm on a 3 on, 1 off split of chest/bi/tri, quads/hams/calves, back/shoulders (abs frequently) so I have been recovered and each muscle is ready for some more punishment by the time its up! IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 12, 2000 05:15 PM
Sounds as if you're clipping along there LL. Please keep us posted. Good luck. WW IP: Logged |
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flossin1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 83) |
posted June 12, 2000 07:59 PM
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