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M1KAI

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posted January 22, 2001 01:00 PM

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Hi,
OK a while ago i posted for info on a womens cycle.

Well i got her her whinny tab's today 5mg ones and we dicided to do 15mg for the first week then 25mg and carry it on for 6 to 8 weeks.

Now im just a little worried about sides clit enlargement is ok i think she dig's it actually but a deeper voice and hair growth is a BIG problem for both of us i dont want her to get all hairy and deep voiced.

Now i expect im over reacting but can anyone give me an idea of quickly the side's will be apparenet and how long untill it is to far gone...!

As soon as her voice starts changeing im gonna ask her to drop the dose or come off and hair is a easy one to deal with but clitoral hypertrophy how quickly will it develop i dont want her with a huge clit...!

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M1KAI

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posted January 23, 2001 12:17 PM

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OK I find this quite funny las time i posted here i posted the same on the men's board and got flamed for it by U lot...!

Now this time i wait for a day and still no reply's not even one.

Im trying my best to help out my girl here and make sure nothin happens to her that i could have prevented.

You have said before that she should find out and do reasearch etc but she trust's me 100% and said that she wanted me to find out things for her and tell her what i find risk's side's etc.

Now i know my body and what i can do to it with regards to my AS use but women are different and im having to start from the very bottom reading post's getting info.

I just want a answer to my question how long does it take for the side's to manifest them self's.

I care about my girl i did not want her doing AS really but she want's to i have tryed to put her off all i can and she is still sure she wants to.

I just want to be on top. and if there are sign's i wanna put a stop on em before they get bad...!

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Trinity13

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posted January 23, 2001 01:03 PM

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Side can manifest at any time it just depends on the person. She has to be on the look out for them.

Clit enlargement ususally will disappear after she finishes the cycle. The acne if she gets any should also go away after she comes off. However, the voice deepening, facial or body hair and hair loss are PERMANENT side effects so she needs to be sure she can live with this if it happens.

In MOST cases, not all, once these sides appear such as the deepening of the voice, the hair loss or facial hair there is nothing she can do about it but live with it. It's something SHE has to decided for herself. SHE has to make the decision of what she is willing to live with.

Just my .02

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blueyedkowgrl

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posted January 23, 2001 01:05 PM

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i can't tell you from experience but, from the searches i've done and the old posts i've read,it seems that every woman is diffrent. some seem to tolerate diffrent doasages better than others. i would think that she should keep a close eye on herself and if she see's the sides than stop or back off..


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JuicyGirl

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posted January 23, 2001 01:14 PM

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You don't really know when they are going to appear until you have em. I prefer to do fast-acting AS that don't build up in the system so if see any sides I can stop immediately. Have her test her singing voice regularly (high-pitch notes) and just be on the lookout for hair growth/loss. It's not like they are going to all come on at once and very strong unless you are using very high doses. As WarLobo says, go slow, use small doses, and only use one AS at a time until you know her individual tolerances.

I split my oral Winny doses to 2-3x day since it is fast-acting.


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FitnessChick

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posted January 24, 2001 10:05 AM

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Sides will vary from woman to woman----its all about your bodies reaction to the doseage you are taking-now let me understand if I understand you correctly---you are having her do 15 mg a day for week 1, then 25 mg a day thereafter---your typing was a bit confusing.......


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WarLobo

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posted January 24, 2001 11:17 AM

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Things move a tad slower on the the Women's Board... But then we make up for it by giving you the real no shit advice you need. Take a few days, relax, and learn everything you can about what you and your friend are about to do. One wrong step and SHE, not you is screwed. Many, hell, tons of post on winny.

You never even mentioned her goal! What are you both tring to achieve?!?!

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skydancer

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posted January 24, 2001 11:38 AM

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For what its worth, I've been taking 12.5mg oral winny ED for 2 wks now - I'm a tad more sensative in the clit and it is swollen just a bit. No hair loss/growth, no voice changing, no acne though skin is a bit more oily.

I started noticing the sensativity in the clitoris after about 8 days.

But as it has been said, every woman is different and will react at different rates and different sides.

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M1KAI

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posted January 24, 2001 12:10 PM

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Hi,
Thanks for the advice
FitnessChick
Ok she is on 15mg at the mo to see how she is with it if she is ok we will up it to 25mg and take it from there...! Make sense now...?

WarLobo
Im sorry i did not realise that this board does not have as much traffic as the men's.

Have you read the LOBO comic's by any chance I fink he is funny as hell...!

Well as a sort of related issue i found quite funny down the gym when i was training with my girl.

The gym i go to is ok not a muscle head's gym but its all i have at the moment due to a couple of things but its enough to make me grow and i have got about another year till i out grow it.

Anyway it was leg day and i was with my girl and she did the following sets on leg extension.

10reps @ 28kg
10reps @ 32kg
10reps @ 38kg
8reps @ 42kg

Which i thought was really good she is quite strong in comparison to most of the women there

then this bloke came over after we where done and thought he could do 50kg just so he felt good he was grunting at 10reps and made about 12

Michelle got a little pissed that he was trying to out do her so she did a straight set of 10reps at 58kg this bloke then tryed it and got about 5 out.

Made me and michelle laugh and i think that was probably her best yet, i was really impressed 58kg is alot for a woman after doing a good set...!

Cant wait to see how much she can do after this cycle...!

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Haas

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posted January 25, 2001 07:17 AM

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M1KAI
A foolish person is one who does not have good judgement. A wise person seeks counsil.
If she starts to see the effects dude, it's too late. Here's my suggestion:
Cut back to half the dose (believe me she will respond to anything her first cycle), have her only do half the weeks/length.
Or live and learn...or no more singing in church!


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AJD

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posted January 25, 2001 07:28 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Haas:
M1KAI
If she starts to see the effects dude, it's too late. Here's my suggestion:
Cut back to half the dose (believe me she will respond to anything her first cycle), have her only do half the weeks/length.
Or live and learn...or no more singing in church!


That is totally correct. I learned that lesson from Deca... Once your voice starts going, its already in your system and there's no stopping it whether you totally quit the dosages or lower them. If the changes with voice begin to appear, just deal with it because there's no going back.

Sorry, but its the facts. Happened to me. Personally I think its worth the risk.

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Haas

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posted January 25, 2001 09:04 AM

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Yup! Daddy sings base
Momma sings tenor, no longer that is!


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JuicyGirl

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posted January 25, 2001 12:16 PM

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My voice got lower on Deca, too. So for future reference, stay away from it.

Anavar might be a better choice if you're extremely paranoid about sides. Although I have experience no sides off of the 3 weeks I've been using Winny (orals, 10-20mg/day) except that I'm horny baby! My gains are really starting to show. I'm looking big and full while eating high calories.

I agree that you could probably keep her dose fairly low since on her first cycle she should respond very well.

Women always need to go slow, ask lots of questions, watch for sides, or pay the price forever. Good luck!


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M1KAI

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posted January 25, 2001 01:15 PM

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Hi,
OK we had a chat about it and dropped it to 10mg and will leave and see how she get's on with it.

Ta very much all of you, your help and advice has been priceless...!

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new@gettinbig

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posted January 25, 2001 01:42 PM

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Your girl needs to get on this board!! She needs to research and talk to women who are using AS, and decide if it is right for her. This should be 100% her decision and something she completely wants to do. She has to weigh out the pros and cons and decide if it is right for her to do. It has to be up to her what she can tolerate and what she can accept. And if she gets a deeper voice, clit enlargement etc, it is her body, and you should not be the one telling her to stop or cut back dosages. #1 it will be too late anyway, #2 its her body. If you can not deal with the sides, then you may need to consider that now. She needs to read and learn. Every female is different, reacts differently. So we can give you experiences etc, but until she actually takes AS you will never know for sure. Get her on the BOARD


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M1KAI

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posted January 26, 2001 03:58 AM

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New@gettinbig
OK there is a reason why im her puppet and relay all information that i read her to her and you dont need to know it really...!

OK do you suffer or know anyone who suffer's from dyslexia she is not to bad but does not like people thinking she is stupid with regard's to spelling etc so i relay everything i read here to her and ask questions for her. as i said im a puppet.

I think she should also post here as i could spend more time looking into my bit's im tryin to talk her into it..!

I suffer from dyslexia a little but it's mainly with spelling and number's but i have a dictionary and calculator so im ok...!

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MR. BMJ

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posted January 26, 2001 04:10 AM

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Interesting.....most of the girls i know around here that have used juice and quit will regain their femininity back in their voice, and their body/facial hair growth is usually almost totally reverted. Try taking Saw Palmetto for the hair growth, it really seems to help in women (even more so than in men for some reason).
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WarLobo

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posted January 26, 2001 11:08 AM

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Well, I have less-dickxia.... (that's a joke - if you couldn't tell)

Tell ya what, I can 100% ensure if she desides to post, no one is going to give her a hard time - they won't be around long enough Hell, half the folks who post on here can't speel wotrh a shiet anyways.

Just let me know her handle.

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new@gettinbig

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posted January 26, 2001 12:05 PM

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I apologize, didnt mean to come across like that From a woman's perspective I just find it very helpful to post and read this board. Its nice to see a man that is so concerned about his girl! She will learn a lot from this board. We dont watch for grammar errors here, no one cares, just lookin to learn and grow


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MS

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posted January 26, 2001 02:27 PM

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Maybe you could get her to type her posts into something like WORD first (with spellcheck and grammarcheck turned ON). Then when she's happy with the finished product she can just copy and paste it into the reply space. We'd love to have her on board!


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Cybervixen

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posted January 27, 2001 12:43 AM

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I am on 12mg a day Winny. I am a little more clit sensitive but no enlargement or other sides. I increased to 14mg a day & I got a scratchy throat. I dropped back down to 12mg and was fine. The voice thing can be permanent but I could feel it before it actually happened. I think with fast acting you are safer but every woman will respond differently she just has to watch closely.


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F1hybrid

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posted January 27, 2001 12:41 PM

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I write most of my long responses in Word, spell and grammer check, then cut and paste. Call me anal.

BTW, new@gettinbig can't read a map worth a damn so don't let her give you any shit.

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Hardcore4Evr

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posted January 27, 2001 01:05 PM

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Well well this is so confusing, ya know. Winny or Anavar? Hmm.....I hear one bad thing about winny, then i hear good things. I guess i just need to stop worrying about sides, and just pick one or the other. Anavar, probably being the least-side effects. Well, all she can do is try them at a small dosage. Winny maybe at 10mg EOD for the first week, or Anavar at 5mg/ed for the first week. We will ponder a bit more on this. She isn't really making up her mind which one she wants, so i dont know what we are going to do now. She wants to start taking Clenbuterol right now, just to shed some unwanted fat away before she starts a cycle. I am going to start her at 40mcg per day, then up it to 60mcg the following week.

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new@gettinbig

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posted January 27, 2001 03:20 PM

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Thanks F1 Yes I know I have no sense of direction, but I at least stop and ask if I do get lost. Sometimes you are so nice, its overwhelming and very touching!


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luv2workout

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posted January 27, 2001 07:12 PM

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Ok..Im no expert, but you should read skydancers post on winny/t3---If you are planning on your girl taking oral winny...You should split dose into 2x's a day, every day, not EOD...10mg also seems VERY low...


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M1KAI

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posted January 29, 2001 12:18 PM

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Hi,
OK im gonna sort internet access up at her's tonite just got a PC for her so no problem's.

Um ok have been doing 10mg's for a week and it looks good im note sure if the result's are showing yet i think they are but it could be wishfull thinking which is more than likely to be the case..!

So far no side's at all...! and i check her clit every day and it's not more sensitive

have had a chat with her gonna up it to 15mg per day and she is doing it 4 hours apart through the day.

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