posted July 07, 2000 12:29 PM         

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I was wondering if any of you had heard anything on the herb coleus forskohlii for increasing lean body mass?I was reading an article on it in a very reputable magazine so I thought i would ask.Thanks for any info/opinions.

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posted July 07, 2000 03:29 PM            

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I belive its a substance used in fat loss supps. I think it increases the creb cycle and helps the body burn fat as energy.

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posted July 10, 2000 12:55 AM         

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Been using TriaxII with thermadrene and making absolutely the best results ever. I get so hot in the gym I can hardly stand it.

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posted July 10, 2000 10:58 AM            

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TriaxII is the only product I know that has coleolin in it. It manufactured buy syntrax.

There may be other componies with this product but I dont know of them.

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posted July 11, 2000 01:43 PM         

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Enzymatic Therapy brand sells coleus forshkoli also. It has been shown in some credible research to naturally increase thyroid hormone output. It might be pretty good for a long-term fat loss agent, but I'm not convinced that it would be best if taken by itself for fat loss purposes. I'm not sure, but I'd be willing to bet that it is very concentrated in the Syntrax product containing it and there may be the success of that supplement.
Hope that helps.

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posted July 11, 2000 01:58 PM            

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alot of companys have been making forskoli before syntrax enzymatic is one natures herbs is anouther,there actually havent been any studies on humans and it remains unclear
if its effective or not...

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posted July 11, 2000 01:58 PM            

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alot of companys have been making forskoli before syntrax, enzymatic is one natures herbs is anouther,there actually havent been any studies on humans and it remains unclear
if its effective or not...

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posted July 12, 2000 12:43 AM         

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True, there haven't been any human studies done on coleus for weight loss, but there are some studies demonstrating it's effect on the thyroid.

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posted July 12, 2000 12:57 AM            

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im still not impressed with the data...id rather invest my doe in something else...

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posted July 12, 2000 05:04 AM         

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Let me tell you that this stuff works really good. Been using it and feel hotter than a furnace. I've lost 20 pounds in 8 weeks with it and have kept my strength up pretty good.

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posted July 12, 2000 11:11 AM            

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Yo back doc why would I want to take this supp long term over another supp (thermo)? I thought if it affected your thyroid you would not want it in the body lomg term.
Not being a smart ass, I just don't know.

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posted July 12, 2000 01:10 PM         

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I understand your concern completely. The difference between coleus and other thyroid modifiers is that coleus apparently hasn't been shown to increase thyroid hormone output above the normal limits. Compare that to something like Tricana and you get a much safer picture.
The problem I see with many fat burners is that although they don't directly affect the thyroid output, they directly affect the adrenal glands. It is possible (although not very likely) that long-term use of ephedra could cause adrenal insufficiency or even hyperfunction. Let me repeat that I don't think that's likely. But it is conceivably possible. The guys at Testosterone mag have taken quite a bit of liberty in labelling Triax as being a huge risk for thyroid problems in those who take it. However there is some research evidence that it does not affect the thyroid axis even with long-term abuse. But again, one study does not make it the rule. So caution must be taken with this product as well.
The other thing to keep in mind as far as ECA stacks go is that caffeine has been linked to fibrocystic breast disease in women as well as prostate irritation in men. For these reasons alone, I'd be ultra careful in taking anything with caffeine in it. Yes, I do take a supplement containing caffeine, but the key, I believe is to cycle the use. But then again, that's pretty much the key for many supplements.

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posted July 14, 2000 07:05 PM         

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I've looked at the syntrax site and supposedly this stuff increases something called adenylate cyclase (sp.?). Anyway, this raises another messenger compound. Supposedly it raises a ton of different hormone levels in the body. If you can believe them they say it works pretty good. I might try it in a few weeks and will keep everyone updated.

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posted July 21, 2000 11:22 AM         

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Millard at Mesomorphosis has a new newsletter out called Thinkmuscle and they have an article on this. Sounds pretty good. Anybody else have any experience with this?

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posted July 23, 2000 02:31 PM         

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Adenylate cyclase is a secondary messenger found in all cells (if I remember correctly)that increases the levels of cAMP, which is linked to numerous processes. The beta-receptors are AC linked receptors, and when cAMP levels rise, it signals fatty acid mobilisation and release. Forskolin (coleolin, colforsin, etc.) activates AC at a different site than the other thermogenics, but it seems to do this at a multitude of tissues, thus causing an increase in all AC linked processes.

The herb Coleus has been used for centuries by Indians for a variety of conditions, hypertension being one and modern science is validating this use.

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