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 Frackal
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 494 |
you slapnut! 500mg SUST AND primo? for your first cycle? ...what the fuck man? you trying to jump from 200 to 300 pounds with one cycle? Those doses are way too high (I'm sorry E2 if you made his cycle, I know you like it high hehe), but a mild first cycle WILL give you amazing gains, why fry yourself with that cycle off the bat? you can save it for later. ------------------ "how much can you really know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?" Tyler Durden     | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 2737 |
Let's settle this once and for all (yeah right, that's not going to happen).. Let's hear the arguments for / against heavy first cycle vs. light first cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1154 |
He is young and every book you will ever read recommends doses lower than what the majority here recommend. I got good gains off 250mg of test a week! But if you want to piss your money away go ahead. More is not always better. Roids are a drug like any other, they have a dosage recomendation, when I go and get Singulair for my asthma, I don't argue with the doc to give me 50mgs when he says take 10mg! I respect E2 but he gets carried away with his dosages. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 745 |
im gonna middle this and say moderate: sust500mg 8 weeks sust250mg 1 week deca300mg 8 week deca200mg 1 week dbol 6 per day for 5 week winny350 4 week winny300 2 week winny150 1 week the winny satrts in the sixth week 50mg clomid eod throughout til week 9 go to 100/day for 2 weeks,then 50mg per day for 2 weeks clen for 3 weeks starting week 9 then ecy for three weeks with mine in gonna use arimidex also i learn from the best and this will be my first cycle coming up in jan i would call this a moderate first cycle for a first timer | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1552 |
Thanks for your concern bro, but seriously, I don't think these dosages are very high. Also, primo is one of the safest steroids around with a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. It will probably be about 4 months before I start anyway <not that that matters> so if I learn more before than and decide to go with less I will, but I doubt it. Anyway, if I'm going to do a cycle, I'm going to do a cycle, and I expect that with 100% training, nutrition and sleep that I shall keep 20 lbs. I'm thinking of running it like this, except I'm still not sure exaclty where to put the primo. Week-Sust-Primo 1.500-0 I need to research more on the best time to start the primo to minimize the sust-crash as much as possible and get my testes pretty much back online before the primo's gone. I will be taking the normal clomid, nolva, milk thistle, etc..now I will also be taking 10 grams b-5, proscar <thanks bro!!> and nizoral shampoo just in case. Also, Bill Roberts is one of the leading experts in AS and he recomends you start of with 1 gram total of AS/week for a first cycle. But because I am still young this is what I'm going for... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1154 |
With the primo in your system your nuts still won't rebound, and I would do 300mgs of primo. I would do them the same time. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1552 |
That may be true but as I understand it, your body responds directly to the amount of androgens in your system when regulating natural production, so with clomid and only diminishing sust and primo they should at least begin to come back online. Hopefully the primo this way will minimize the crash. I'm not really using it to gain anything, do you still belive 300mg is nescessary? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 983 |
I don't see anything outrageously high here. What are your stats? I thought you were hurt, why are you doing a cycle now? Are you hoping it will help with recovery? Also, I forget, aren't you younger? IMHO, you shouldn't start until 24. But, because you'll do it anyway... I think you could drop the test to 400 mg/wk (which I know is awkward with sust dosage-wise), but I'd bump the primo up to 400 mg/wk as 200 mg is more of a bridging dose. Although in week 8, I'd go with the lower dose of sust. Clomid should take care of your testes. The only crash you'll experience test-wise is water weight. (and that's not real weight anyway so don't worry about it). Don't take the nolva throughout, just keep it on hand in case you feel gyno coming on. If you feel gyno coming on, then start taking it. Take the clomid eod throughout and ed for 2-3 weeks starting week 10 or 11. I think you should wait until you are relatively healthy and/or older though. Just my .02 cents. Some other bros will probably have additional opinions. Good luck. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1552 |
BigTruck, I'm definitely going to wait until I am fully healed. In fact, I'm going to wait until 2 months after I am healed because I want to get back to where I was naturally before I start, plus, I don't want to risk re-injury when on. I don't really see the difference of 400-500 as far as side effects, so I may as well hit 2 amps a week. I'd like to do more primo, but as we all know, it's fucking expensive. Maybe I will get more though as I have some time. I'm still worried about hairloss by upping the dosage of the primo... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 494 |
Well I respect your "I'm not doing it halfass" attitude. Reason I'm concerned for your health is that just like me, you're only 18. Also, I feel you would benefit from a first mild cycle, something inexpensive and safe just so you can adjust, get used to the injections and still gain, maybe after you'd also have enough biofeedback to adjust your next cycle. But if you feel you need to make the leap with both feet, it's your decision. I'm also happy you can afford the nolvadex ------------------ "how much can you really know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?" Tyler Durden | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2834 |
you better learn to keep that acne in check bro.. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1552 |
Yes, it actually hasn't been very prevalent other than now for many years. I'm betting it's a stress thing. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2737 |
I had (sometimes have) an acne problem and to combat it I tan, and take one shower in the morning using Oxywash, and one shower in the evening using Nizoral shampoo as a bodywash. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 227 |
after this cycle your going to be a monster. Yes, and people will know,...hell yes people WILL know  keep us updated good luck. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 189 |
500mg is decent bro but ditch the primo that drug is usless for mass. sust alone for a first cycle is perfect,my first cycle was 1g of sust and i got 40lb on that.alot of water and fat ofcourse but after cutting i had 20lb of lbm. you will never grow like your first cycle rgardless if you start high or low.people are conditioned to think less is safer but that is not the case with roids u can get the same sides with 250mg of sust as with 1g. stick with 500mg and a little 20mg dbol and youll be good.and if youre prone to zits do aq cycle of accutane right before your cycle and start the cycle immediatly after the accutane and you wont break out.... s00oouurrjjeerrkkk |
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