Friday the 13th!! Haha

Have any of you had that experience?
How long is it going to take for him to
get back to normal? Working out, etc.!!

My hubby had it done. 20 min in the doc's office and ya sit on a bag of frozen peas for the day...might be a little sore for a day or two and bruised for several days. You can't do the deed "safely" until you go to the doc's and have sperm count tested anyway. My hubby was such a stud man that we had to wait 3 months before we could "proceed w/out caution".

SHUT UP and take it like a man! IT'S NOT AS IF YOU JUST GAVE BIRTH FOR GOD'S SAKE!

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"Pain, is just weakness leaving your body"

"...damn you for not giving my TEST" - Metallica

"After this show i'll be fat and happy again.....If i make it to the show...." - Lee Priest

"Lets put some weight on the bar.." - Shawn Ray

I'll say 800-1000 is more like it.

1. Get the vasectomy and have LOTS OF CAREFREE REALTIONS W/BIKINIMOM.

or

2. Since we already had 4 children, have ZERO RELATIONS W/BIKINIMOM.

I will never let anyone snip away at me unless it is to save my life and then...

I am sorry but that is just rude, You get cut or you ain't gettin it from me. He had more than two choices, it should have been
1. bkmom gets fixed
2. hubby gets fixed
3. no sex unless on birth control of somesort

So, women have babies, according to the bible they also sinned first and caused man to sin next. Hmmmm, wonder why.

1. My husband was as AFRAID to TAP THIS as I was to GET IT TAPPED! As parents to FOUR children believe you me, we FULLY understood the ramifications of our sexual behavior.

2. A vasectomy is a 20 min procedure that requires only a local anesthetic and is performed in the doc's office with very little risk and very little revocery time.

3. A tubal ligation is a procedure that requires general anesthesia and a hospital stay with a MUCH LONGER recovery and MUCH GREATER risk.

4. My husband was MORE THAN FINISHED FATHERING CHILDREN.....he originally only wanted 2 with ME, HIS WIFE, NOT A BITCH WHO WAS PUTTING FRIVOLOUS DEMANDS ON HIM WHILE USING THE WITHHOLDING OF SEX TO GET HER WAY!....Do you see where I am headed with this my brotha?

And as far as the Bible goes, you mean to tell me that you are a fundamentalist?

And let's say for arguement's sake WE ARE BOTH fundamentalists. If Eve sinned first and Adam followed, because he either A) could not think for himself or B) she said, "If you don't do what I tell you to do, then you can no longer tap this." That would mean that Adam was either A) STUPID or B) WEAK.

Also while we are on the subject of pregnancy and childbirth. I do not feel that the ability to carry and bear children a curse or punishment. Nothing could be further from the truth. In my opinion is it one of the greatest gifts that the creator could have bestowed and I for one am grateful beyond words to have been given this gift. The pain and suffering are temporary and well worth the unfathomable (sp?)joys.

I believe that the reason so much pain and suffering are part of pregnancy and childbirth (Shit, what about the next 21 years or so?!) is because of the mind-boggling magnitude that such an undertaking (parenting) requires. See, the way I look at it Eve was not punished for her "wickedness". (We're still going on the fundalmentalist arguement here.) But that Adam was punished for his weakness and stupidity. After all the creator, in it's infinite wisdom, COULD NOT POSSIBLY have left such a tremendous emotional and physical responsibility to the weaker, stupider sex, now could he?

....So now, you were saying Brotha?

So, whe Satan, the first created angel was cast out of heaven he was given reign over the earth. He took the form of a serpant (snake, if you will) and approached eve for the sole fact that she was unfamiliar with all of the animals in the Garden and would not recognize that something was amiss.

Now the serpant talked to Eve and said eat from the tree of knowledge (good and evil) you will not die. So, she did. Now at this point she is now fully aware of the implications of her act, she knows the difference between right and wrong.

Now instead of living with that saying okay I sinned and did wrong, I will not cause Adam to sin as well.

Noooo, what does she do? She goes over to Adam, and I am quite sure she says, hey big boy if you Tap this again better eat this here fruit. And of course Adam didn't know any better let alone what the consequences really were.

So, shook her coochy in front of him and he ate.

So the reason Eve had to suffer in child birth was due to her trickery of Adam. And Adam for his participation, was made to have to work for everything he needed. And they both were separated spiritually from god, which of course was the greatest pain for them.

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Originally posted by chesty:
look at the setup in the Garden of Eden. Adam new every creature there because he named them. But of course he appeared lonely to god so god created Eve from one of his ribs to be his help mate. Now remember that god said to not eat, repeat not eat from the tree of knowledge or life lest you die. Now die in this sense meant a spiritual death.

So, whe Satan, the first created angel was cast out of heaven he was given reign over the earth. He took the form of a serpant (snake, if you will) and approached eve for the sole fact that she was unfamiliar with all of the animals in the Garden and would not recognize that something was amiss.

Now the serpant talked to Eve and said eat from the tree of knowledge (good and evil) you will not die. So, she did. Now at this point she is now fully aware of the implications of her act, she knows the difference between right and wrong.

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...So EVE WAS HERSELF TRICKED, FIRST!

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what does she do? She goes over to Adam, and I am quite sure she says, hey big boy if you Tap this again better eat this here fruit. And of course Adam didn't know any better let alone what the consequences really were.

So, shook her coochy in front of him and he ate.

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We are in agreement then, Adam was both stupid AND weak.

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So the reason Eve had to suffer in child birth

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Did you read the part where I explained that "suffering" is all relative and how I do NOT believe this to be punishment AT ALL?

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Adam for his participation, was made to have to work for everything he needed.

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So, you see Eve was the reason we are not in the Garden today, watching football with a cold beer and no worries.

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If we are still engaging in this fundamentalist arguement than EVE is the reason why WOMEN are no longer in the garden getting massaged by RAUL the poolboy.

Men have no one to blame for their punishment (being stripped of the POWER to bear life) but their forefather Adam for being stupid and weak. Oh yeah, and for the beer and football in the garden thing, too!

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....beauty knows no pain.

[This message has been edited by bikinimom (edited October 14, 2000).]

I went to christian churches as a kid, and never got to practice. My first real girlfriend was Jewish, the meat and dairy sponges, the schools the whole nine yards, they started teaching me Hebrew and were even thinking of getting me enrolled in some Hebrew school. Boy am I glad she dumped me it sounded like I was being set up for an early marriage.

I would not say that Adam was either weak or stupid. He had no knowledge of good or evil so he could not make a rational decision. Eve however, did know the difference between right and wrong. So, why did she cause Adam to sin? Could it be she was weak and didn't want to take all the blame? Hmmmm.

Child birth may not be bad for all women, but I certainly am glad I don't have to go through it. Christ, I have been through five births and everytime it looked quite painful and I thanked god that I was male.

Not sure what she was doing While Adam was working in the fields. Probably raising the kids and stuff like that.

Then, you try to defend the biblical character Adam by saying that his actions were not indicative of the fact that he was weak or stupid because he was "tricked into it by the woman, Eve." Didn't the narrative FIRST SAY THAT EVE, DIDN'T KNOW THE SERPENT (Who Adam DID) AND SO SHE WAS HERSELF TRICKED FIRST BY HIM?" So which is it? Was Adam tricked, was Eve tricked, were they both tricked or is this just a narrative; a story which tries to explain from whence we all came? (Of course, because this story [Yes, I know this was passed down verbally for centuires.) originated in a PATRIARCHAL society....guess who got blamed for everything? That's right, if it wasn't the devil, it was a woman, because a MAN could (should) NEVER be held responsible for his own behaviour.

HHHHHHhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm

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....beauty knows no pain.

Scondly, I believe the lesson that you gather from the creation story misses the point completely. The lesson is NOT watch her, but THINK FOR YOURSELF - NO MATTER WHO IS TRYING TO GET YOU TO DO WHATEVER!

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Second, Eve was approached by the serpant possessed by Satan because he knew that she would not know that the serpant had been possessed. And Satan convinced her to eat from the tree of knowledge, because he told her she would not die as God had said she would. Satan was banking on the fact that she believed God meant a physical death.

So after she ate from the tree of knowledge she new good and evil. Right from wrong. So she of her own free will, decided she would be the only one to take the blame. And knowing that she was doing wrong, she convinced Adam, with whatever means to sin as well. The only difference is that Adam had not known good and evil right and wrong. And when he saw that Eve had not died, he figured it was okay.

You see, one of the fundamental beliefs here is that Adam and Eve believed they would die a physical death and when Eve had not Adam decided it was okay. What in reality God meant by die was a spiritual death, in which they were now separated from God by sin.

And yes, you did IMPLY that giving birth was NOT A BIG DEAL when you originally said that this was no reason to give a woman "more say" about what method of birth control was utilized. Why not? SHE is the one who will consequently become pregnant and NOT the man. I did acquiesce that the post that began this whole discussion might be misconstrued by some that I, as the woman who might consequently become pregnant, had more of a say than my husband as to what
form of birth control we utilized. And I believe that I did a fairly good job of clarifying that particular post.

However, now that you do mention it, yes, I love my husband, and yes, it takes two to make a baby and even more to raise a baby, but ultimately only ONE will carry and give birth. Would I ever want to be faced w/the situation of an unplanned pregnancy at this or any stage of my of my reproductive life? I think that I would rather face MY OWN DEATH. This I say in all seriousness, the consequences would be grave, indeed. That is why we opted for a permanent solution. And even here there is always a chance, though remote, a possibility nonetheless, that the vasectomy WILL FAIL. Then what? I shudder to think of it.

So when one removes all of the "should be's" all that is left is one female carrying a life. SHE IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE. PERIOD, NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS.

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[This message has been edited by bikinimom (edited October 14, 2000).]

I disagree with I implied it was no big deal.

I have seen too many times woman take the stance that it is my body , if you want it go get yourself fixed. The fact that you did agree with meinitially shows that you are not one of those "elitest" women.

I was also hoping to get some more people involved. I know where you are coming from, I have five kids.

peace

I thoroughly enjoyed the dicussion!

PEACE

And as for you Brotha Anaconda....just as all men are not dogs, all women are not scheming, hating, slithering slime. And I agree, we are pretty darned cute!