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Mr. T

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posted October 10, 2000 12:45 PM

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Whats you take on the Middle East? As far as I know, Israel has some of the best pilots and commandos in the world. I think Palestine is very foolish to tangle with those mofos-


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posted October 10, 2000 12:46 PM

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Hands down the Israeli's would win in a matter of weeks.


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posted October 10, 2000 12:57 PM

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Israel would win against the "Palestinians."
What would happen once Syria, UAE, Iran, Iraq, etc get into the picture?
Would the US jump in, thus angering American Anti-semites into violence against American Jews?


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posted October 10, 2000 12:57 PM

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yeah.. Guns vs Rocks! I take Guns!


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Mr. T

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posted October 10, 2000 01:01 PM

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I think the US should stay far away from this one. This is no "conflict", these guys are getting ready for a holy war-


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posted October 10, 2000 01:17 PM

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Well, I am personally tired of these two groups of people. I wish the Israelies would use the nukes we all KNOW they have. The Arabs would then be toast and they would blame the US. Terrorist attacks here in the US, would then cause us to rise to the occasion, and really take care of business.
If they want death, we can help them out.


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posted October 10, 2000 01:21 PM

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I went to Las Vegas,and put $50 on Israel -5 1/2.


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posted October 10, 2000 01:24 PM

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I think the US would potentially lose hundreds of thousands of lives if they got involved. Not to mention the increase in domestic terrorism we would see if we backed Israel. Muslim extremists see killing Americans as being the ultimate form of patriotism. We DO NOT want to face that type of motivation. I would like to think we learned something from Vietnam-


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posted October 10, 2000 08:14 PM

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the israelis would kick their cowardly asses!


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posted October 10, 2000 08:21 PM

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The bible says holy war will start in that region.


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posted October 10, 2000 10:20 PM

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With out a doubt Israel. Their air force and armored units kick ass. For as small as there force is they are extremely lethal. I hope it goes to blows in the Middle East(as long as the US isn�t involved). Also if does happen, rest assured Israel will probably get the preemptive strike.


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posted October 11, 2000 12:44 AM

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I personally think the Palestinians should declare statehood and say to hell with Israel

Do they have legal representation in the Israel Govt if not they should just declare their own country and forgot about all the fighting...If they can't agree who should have what for it's border then let them fight, but I'll tell you what If the U.S. Gets involved it would be a BIG mistake...Didn't we learn from Vietnam or from the Afghan people kicking the crap out of Russia Even though we gave them arms...

I for one would not serve if they fought and brought back the draft to hell with that....Once again I feel we are going to be wrong for butting in where we are not wanted...I laughed my ass off with the UN saying they were going to take action...If Palestine declares statehood I would tell them to kiss it and that we don't recognize them...Thats bull of what the UN leader was saying it was all of our problems...Bull If the UN was saying they were going to come into the US cause we couldn't agree and wanted to fight I think most of us would be waiting with guns in hand for those people to come in....

Israel is stupid if they think U.S. troops are going to be the go between to police the situation...and I'll be the first one Bitching at my own govt if they send troops there...When are we going to learn to let people do as they want and not as we teach???

Kosovo was a joke, and I consider this the same as I did Kosovo


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posted October 11, 2000 12:54 AM

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THERE WILL NEVER BE A WINNER THIS IS THE WYA IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS.

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posted October 11, 2000 01:21 AM

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this war is over 2000 years old and has contributed to more pain and suffering then all of us in the western world can comprehend..this who should nuke who and who' air force is better talk is extremely immature and has no place when dealing with such a sensitive topic......

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posted October 11, 2000 11:27 AM

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Okay, only therealj has the necessary sensitivity to discuss certain topics, and from now on, I must request that all such topics be directed to him first.
Upon his receipt of said topic, he, and he alone, shall determine the appropriateness of said topic, and whether or not discussion may proceed.
If therealj's decision is that the topic may proceed, all further discourse shall be routed through him as he must make individual determinations as to whether each post maintains the high quality of discourse begun by therealj.
Violators shall be called insensitive, immature, and other horrible names.


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posted October 11, 2000 11:33 AM

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The real j: I think what you mean is the conflict has been going on for a long time. There is clearly not at war at this point in time. Im not sure why you cannot talk about a comparision between armies without getting sensitive but dont call me imature because I do. I am Irish but I dont get choked up when I talk about the IRA's chances of taking back Ireland. I can just imagine all of our nations Generals in a room weeping because they cant bear to talk about war!!


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Weapon X

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posted October 11, 2000 11:52 AM

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Great imagery, Mr. T!
The truth is that the way many human minds deal with difficult events is to make light of them to some degree.
Regardless of the jokes, braggadocio, and machismo displayed on this thread, we are also talking some serious stuff about the implications and how we conceptualize such things.
Lighten up. If you have a point, discuss it.


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posted October 11, 2000 01:57 PM

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When it looks like they're about to blow themselves to bits, that's when the anticrist will come...

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posted October 11, 2000 02:05 PM

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You know the US has Israel's back. We pump so much money into that country, it's ridiculous. What a shitty time to have things stirring up again. I wouldn't want to go to war with Gore or Bush in office.


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posted October 11, 2000 02:39 PM

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OK

This is an interesting post.......I was having this conversation earlier with a few ppl in my Office.

The reason why the Americans always get involved is nothing to do with the fact that they give a shit........if that was the case why are the US and the UK still bombing Iraq to this date?......Its because of ONE thing, MONEY!........The Israelis have ALOT of cash tied up in America.......and I mean ALOT. The figure runs into Billions of dollars sitting in US accounts.......Now there not going to SIDE with either openly as this would cause alot of problems, especialy if they went with the israelis.

I mean for fucks sake who trained the fuking Israeli special forces.......the SAS (UK) and the Americans.....im not sure what ur equivalent is. Why advised the Israelis on the Nukes?.......Who provided them with the Nukes!......YEP, the good old Americans (and I dont mean that in a nasty way). Like it or not, this all boils down the one thing MONEY!!

Everyone knows that the Palestines would get there but whipped......but what would the back lash be?......Can we all say OPEN JIHAD !!.......As it it Osame Bin Laden raging war on Americans and the UK,....if we openly started supporting the Isrealis then fuck me that would be it.

Its just a crazy fucked up world we live in...........Look are Ireland still bloody fighting over territory........its got fuck all to do with Religion as alot of ppl think.......... Look at India and Pakistan......still fucking fighting over Kashmir,.......and then we have Isreal and Palestine. But as the previous post said,.....the repurcussions if an ALL OUT war was to occur would and could be devastating.......and COULD start off a world war......although that would require alot of things to occur......but its definately not out the question.

I guess the only good thing about this world at the moment is the ousting of Slobadan............and even with this the Americans and the UK were involved.........its all crazy..........but thats the way it goes.......the said thing is that alot of ppl are getting killed for simply being in the wrong place and the wrong time !


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posted October 11, 2000 02:59 PM

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Weapon X...save your little melodramatic bullshit...my post was in regards to this who's dad would beat up who's attitude in this post...Have you watched the news??? Have you seen the pictures of children murdered in the street because they couldn't get out of the crossfire...do you know anyone who has family in that part of the world?...And Mr T....no I don't mean conflict...I mean war as in Holy War..that's what this is and always has been......Elite Chat....real brain trust here!

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posted October 11, 2000 03:18 PM

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Thanks for raising our level of discourse.
Yes, I've seen the images. Does that invalidate any questions of who might emerge victorious from such a conflict?
Do you have family there? Israel is the land of my forebears and my spiritual homeland. I will think about these issues and hold forth on either side's chances of winning a conflict.
When I say that France got its ass kicked in WWII, I do no disrespect to the French children killed during the war.
Make your own point rather than denigrating the approaches of others. That's all.


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posted October 11, 2000 03:57 PM

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realj: So if someone studies war they are studying whos dad beat up someone elses? Like it or not, these things need to be talked about. If you cant stomach it, dont talk about it.

PS It is not a war because there are bunch of nuts throwing rocks and getting shot. Not exactly what I think of when I think of war-


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This has been going on for a long time I think Americans would be foolish to get involved.

But on a funny not my boss left friday to spend 3 weeks there. have a fun trip

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posted October 11, 2000 06:12 PM

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I don't even think Israel would have any problems in a war with Iran, Iraq, UAE, SAudis, Egypt, etc.

Remember that it;s a holy war to them also.

TxCollegeGuy,

Palestinians don't just want to set up wherever - much of this conflict is about Jerusalem and access to it.

The Palestinians need peace. Even if Arab countries were to get involved, much of their infrastructure could be harmed (because Israel would kill so many of them) and their economy decimated - except for Saudi and UAE which are just big oil fields anyway.

Just a few thoughts...

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posted October 11, 2000 06:41 PM

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i think we should mind our business and let them fuckers just have it out! it dont matter just as long as they dont fuck with the u.s.a fuckem let them stone each other.
god bless america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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posted October 11, 2000 07:06 PM

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Maybe they could have a breakdance duel like they did to settle conflicts in the streets.


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i wanted to post about this subject many times but everytime i stop , but now i think i have to reply !!

first as many of u may know im egyptian , and we had 4 wars with israel in the years 48,56,67,73 , since then year 76 we suppose to be in a peace sitiuation , but palestinians also want peace they want jursalem , and they want to live "in there own contry" ,
if you consider killing 120 innocent ppl in 10 days wich they cannot defend themselves "they only have rocks" a brave act then israelians r the most brave ppl in the world , u all know they hide behind the american forces ,the egyptian army kicked their asses in 73 cause ppl here have faith !
" 1 egyptian soldier damaged 27 israelian tanks with his anti-tank launcher " ,
israilian population are only 6 million ppl ! thats why they fear to loose men in the battle field , they r coward ,
anyway to see the other side of view go to this web site
URL:http://www.angelfire.com/wv/2u/massacre.htm
and see how they killed a young child in the hands of his father !!!


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posted October 11, 2000 07:36 PM

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and MR T !!
ur post is so dumb !!
who win what ??
this isnt a war if there will be one it will be WW3 thats a fact !!


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posted October 11, 2000 07:55 PM

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thank you concrete mass!...


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kbp i just saw ur post !!
ur 100% right thats the truth , when sadam"iraq" attacked kuwait the oiled lands the american army went next day to help the week against the bad strong army ,
but in yugoslavia they waited 2 whole years to send any forces to those ppl who cant pay to feed their childrens !!
anyway u guys just go and vote for al gore and his jew "extremist" vice ,,
the american contry is a hybrid raced contry wich is the only thing that combine it is the green buck !!


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posted October 11, 2000 08:12 PM

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sorry , they closed the website !!
wonder why ?
i have another one http://www.isrealtruth.gq.nu/


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hey Concrete Ass, you step into dangerous territory when you start with the epithets.
Start throwing the word "Jew" around like that, you dumb shit, and see what happens.
Go fuck yourself and your terrorist countrymen.
Why was this whole conversation civilised until your peaceful Egyptian ass spoke up?


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posted October 11, 2000 08:15 PM

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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1000/exuberant.html


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The Palestinian Incitement That Preceded The Wave
Arutz 7, October 2, 2000



Itamar Marcus of Palestinian Media Watch said that the wave of violence "should not have surprised anyone who has been following the Palestinian media." He said that similar scenes of violence are constantly screened on Palestinian television "in between movies and shows.

They show a few seconds of intifada violence, together with narrated incitement. This is how the PA wishes to inculcate its residents."

More samples of Palestinian hatred and incitement that cannot be divorced from the Rosh HaShanah violence:

"This Mosque [El Aksa] will not be liberated until Jihad will be declared by a trusted authority... I call all the Muslims to work for this purpose." - from a Friday sermon on the Temple Mount, Friday, Sept. 29, 2000.

"There is no alternative but to destroy Israel" blares the title page of a new 6th-grade textbook in the Palestinian Authority, while the back cover features, "The Jewish claim to Palestine is the greatest lie known to humanity." Volume 2 of the same set states, "Perhaps Allah brought the Jews to our land in order to annihilate them, as during their war against Rome."

"The dead shall not rise until the Palestinians shall kill the Jews... All agreements with Israel are provisional..." (a Friday sermon screened on PLO television, July 28 and August 11, 2000). Another Temple Mount sermon, from Sep. 8 of this year, stated, "Palestine - the holy Moslem land - is indivisible, whether in Haifa, Nablus, Jerusalem or Nazareth. It would be treacherous to concede any part of Palestine."
http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/news/Article-0.html


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hey bro im sorry about using the word JEW !
is it an insult ??
sorry but where i live we dont fear to use words like muslim/christian/jew/black/asian
know why ??
coz WE respect everyone as a human bieng , i dont show repsect for anyone in his face and insult him in his back !
jews used to live in egypt and they used to have thier temples, streets,buisiness ... etc !
and there's still lotta of old "jews" who were egyptians talk arabic like egyptians and they will say to u that they were pretty respected in egypt ,
im sorry for my poor english !
jewish is a religion that i respect , but the word i wanted to say belongs to extrem borned in israel guys , but i dont know it in english ! http://www.isrealtruth.gq.nu/


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posted October 11, 2000 08:39 PM

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http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/articles/647001.htm


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posted October 11, 2000 08:42 PM

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http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/articles/673001.htm


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Concrete Mass : the noun 'Jew' is not derogatory, however, when used as an adjective it is an insult. Example: 'a Jewish friend of mine' is totally fine, while 'that Jew lawyer' is not. Do you see the difference? You used the word as an adjective, in other words to modify a noun, thus your grammatic construction was both incorrect and offensive. But I forgive you, 'cause English is not your language.

Now about Jews being accepted in you country; I have a friend who's Israeli with roots in Egypt, and I also know quite a lot about the history of the Jewish people in Dar el-Islam. Jews have always been treated as third-class citizens in all Islamic countries; in fact, the persecution of Jews in Muslim countries was even more severe than in Christian Europe. Many discriminatory practices associated with medieval Europeans were actually imported from the Islamic world by the Crusaders as they came back from the Holy Land. So, to sum up: to most Muslims the Jews are the greatest evil on earth, because it states so in your Quran. Read that again, my "Egyptian" friend. You call yourself Egyptian; what the fuck? Arabs destroyed everything that was truly Egyptian when they conquered that land in the 8th century; you're not "Egyptian". Coptic Christians are Egyptian, you're not! And you call us Americans a hybrid race? What the fuck do you think you are? A descendant of the Pharaohs? My ass, concrete ass.


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posted October 11, 2000 08:56 PM

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interesting argument.. Omer123456 I know you are reading this.. I want to hear from you, why are you being quiet?


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do u blame arabs for why ppl hates u ????
how ?
just come to egypt and see if every true egyptian thing was destroyed ,,
as for jews treated as a 3rd class this is what u guys always says to bee supported , they used to have thier own streets and thier own works , temples etc...... !
just re ask ur old fella !!
and just o let ya know english is my 3rd language !


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posted October 11, 2000 09:25 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by COnCReTE_MAsS:
do u blame arabs for why ppl hates u ????
how ?
just come to egypt and see if every true egyptian thing was destroyed ,,
as for jews treated as a 3rd class this is what u guys always says to bee supported , they used to have thier own streets and thier own works , temples etc...... !
just re ask ur old fella !!
and just o let ya know english is my 3rd language !

Please explain to me what you mean by "why ppl hates you". Are implying that the Jews are to blame for centuries of anti-Semitism? The Jews had their own streets, eh? Well, they had to live in segregated neighborhoods so as not to provoke the majority into violent attacks against them. Are you going to lie to me and say that the Jews were seen as equals in your country? "this is what u guys always says to bee supported". Dude, what's wrong with Jews having a country of their own, and kicking YOUR ass for a change? You don't like that, do you? You don't like feeling powerless and defenseless, unable to protect your women and children from being raped, mutilated, and murdered in front of your eyes, DO YOU? That's what your people did to the the Jews of Alexandria in 1948. Enough said. FYI, the Jewish community of Alexandria was one of the oldest in the world, dating back some 2,700 years. Yep, that's right they were there BEFORE the Arabs showed up.

BTW, why did you feel it was necessary for you to tell the world that you speak three languages? Do you think I was attacking your intelligence, cause I wasn't. I was exposing your ignorance. Ignorance and stupidity are two different things, my friend.


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Mr. T

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posted October 12, 2000 12:56 PM

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Concrete Jackass-
I would like concrete jackass to explain to me why this is a dumb post. Are you saying that no people win war? Or are you saying that we should not talk about people winning war? If you cant talk about war then dont reply to this post. And certainly dont reply by putting down me, or other Americans. The fact is, Americans are concerned about what role we will take in this conflict because we always end up cleaning up other peoples messes. In closing, if you have anything bad to say about Americans keep you big mouth shut. Fuck you very much- Mr. T


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posted October 12, 2000 04:37 PM

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i will tell u why this is a stupid post ,
first this isnt a war , actually this is a one side attack !
palestinians only have stones !
so this is a war ???
and if this thing will turn into a war "god help it dont " it will be ww3 ,
and plz visit the url i posted b4 ,


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Mr. T

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No shit Sherlock. Havent you ever heard of a hypothetical question? Its usually good to think about who would win a war before the war actually begins. Its called being prepared. Not that I expect you to know anything about war, since I believe you are the guy from Egypt. Stick to questions about mummies and sand storms-


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Weapon X

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posted October 13, 2000 11:04 AM

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Funny, Concrete Ass, I've studied firearms for some time now, and have never ever heard anyone refer to AK-47s as "stones."
It makes you sound either stupid or disingenuous.


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omer123456

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posted October 13, 2000 11:33 AM

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HI, as the only israeli on the forum(i don't know about others) i think it should respond, cause i really know what's going on!!! the palestinians way to fight us is not really by stones, is by using the media!! and sadly, the world likes to present us as the big bad wolf, and we are not like that all, and they are not very inosent, about the 12 y/o kid that died, first of all it's not sure he was killed by israel forces, and besides, does it seem to u very logical, that he and his father got there by mistake??? a few days ago u could use that argument, but if u heard the news, you've heard about the "linch", three soldiers got by mistake to rammalla, the palestiniane police got him, and many arabs got into the policestation and killed two by beating them up, while many people cheering them up, after they died, they threw the bodies and people keept beating them and cheering the killers, after that they burned one budy!!! i know it sounds very shocking and it is, the main difference between almost all arabs all over the world and us that we got a different moral code, wecould never be happy, even when our most great enemy die!!!
i hope i changed what some of u thought, and if u got questions i'll be more then glad to answer....


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Mr. T

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posted October 13, 2000 11:41 AM

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Tell you the truth Omar, Im suprised at how even tempered the Israelies are handling this. If that was 3 US soldiers being beaten to death the shit would hit the fan. I think you guys should teach them a lesson, or two-


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posted October 13, 2000 11:50 AM

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Mr.T - yeah i knew, i don't understand it too, but as i said, we got different moral codes, and right now, that's the main difference between israel and "Palastine"
but there is one thing we really don't get, why are they doing it? they know wer'e stronger, even without the U.S. support, and they are just making us more angery, don't they want peace, well i guess the answer is NO, they're trying fort he past 52 years to get us out of here, and by them i mean all the surronding arab countries, and even not the countries which we share borders with, like Iraq..


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Mr. T

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posted October 13, 2000 11:55 AM

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Unless they get "their" land back they will not stop. Dont know how to peacefully compromise such an issue. I think you guys are going to basically have to beat them off with a stick if you know what I mean-


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Stumpy

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posted October 13, 2000 06:12 PM

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Someone asked about the Arab mindset: I think Concrete Mass (I have a feeling he only weighs 140 lbs), our Egyptian friend, really captures the essence of all things Arab. Just read his replies; he's anti-Semitic and doesn't even know it.


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boricua

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posted October 13, 2000 09:34 PM

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DAM THIS STARTED OUT AS A DEBATE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE YOU ALL ARE INTITLE TO YOUR OPION COME ON GUYS LETS MAKE LOVE NOT WAR!

JUST REMEMBER THERE ARE KIDS DIEING HERE THEY HAVE NO FAULT IN IGNORANCE.


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