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posted November 23, 2000 11:24 PM

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Okay, well.... I've been on a 'diet' for ten or eleven weeks. Most of you would laugh if you know what my 'diet' consisted of, because this is the way it usually happens:

Go for 2-3 days with no fat, very few carbs (maybe some fruit or rice cakes post-workout) and the rest of my food is just protein. Chicken, tuna, fish, beef and egg whites. After those 2-3 days, I usually give into the cravings and eat about three loaves of bread, six bowls of cereal, a lot of fruit etc etc and writhe around on the floor for the next few hours in agony.

But.... there's exactly 14 days before I go back home to my home-town of Esperance, WA for holiday.... all my friends are there, and it's on the coast so I want to look my best. I've decided that I'll use these 14 days as a real focal point in my dieting, and be as strict as I possibly can to try and lose as much fat as I possibly can.

I know it's only a short time, but what would you all recommend? Advice on diet, training and cardio all welcome. I can't afford supplements, so that's out of the question.

Everyone's advice is welcome and appreciated. Thanks for your time!

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theking

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posted November 24, 2000 12:24 AM

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2 weeks is not a lot of time but you could try a ketogenic diet (very low carbs/high fat) and do 30-40 minutes of aerobics first thing in the morning on an empty stomach -- a ketogenic diet may or may not be the healthiest diet but you will loss weight on it. Before you do a ketogenic diet, do a little research on it first. There's plenty of info on the web.

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posted November 24, 2000 11:26 AM

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I'm intrigued. I think I could stick to almost anything if I set my mind on only two weeks.... it's when there's no light at the end of the tunnel that I start thinking up excuses about why it's okay for me to eat that loaf of raisin bread.

But I can't find any info. Well, I can.... but nothing specifc. If anyone knows of a ketonic diet on the web, please direct me to it. I'd like to give it a try.

I don't think two weeks will damage my long-term health significantly.

Thank you.

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posted November 24, 2000 12:15 PM

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The Atkins Diet is a ketogenic diet.

Basically your diet consists of nothing but fat and protein at a 1 gram of protein to 1 GRAM OF FAT ratio with little or no carbs.

You can eat eggs, bacon, hard cheese, beef, steak, heavy cream, butter, etc.

YOU ARE NOT TO CONSUME MORE THAN 20 GRAMS OF CARBS A DAY (carbs consist of sugars, bread, pasta, root vegetables, fruit, candy, etc).

You can not cheat on this diet, if you do, you can end up gaining weight.

DRINK PLENTY OF WATER

An ECA (ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin)or a yohimbe/caffeine stack on an empty stomach before aerobics may help to speed up fat loss.

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posted November 24, 2000 02:23 PM

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see my reply under the thread :

"Does the Adkins Diet work?"

it's got a link to some basic info on keto diet.

good luck!


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posted November 24, 2000 09:52 PM

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Thanks for the info.

Would the diet work as effectively WITHOUT the huge fat intake? I just don't feel right eating such fatty foods.

If I can endure the lethargy and low energy levels, would it work if I cut out the fats as well? Or would that mean my calories are so low that my metabolism would slow to a stop?

What do you think about replacing the fatty foods with lean, protein foods? So I'm eating almost 100% protein? Would that work?

Ooooh boy! Better get the old constipation relief and haemorrhoid cream out.

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posted November 24, 2000 10:27 PM

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It is imperative that you eat 1 gram of fat for every 1 gram of protein that you consume on a ketogenic diet. It's the fat intake that leads to ketosis, fat loss, and some sparing of muscle (please read the Atkins thread. It explains the importance of fat intake).

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posted November 28, 2000 05:04 PM

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You have to be joking! I cannot believe this post. I dont mean to flame you but I am sitting here in awl.

Look, bro. I do understand how you feel about being seen by your friends back home, that is why I decided to get in shape. But you are an extreme case. I hope you were sarcastic when you gave us a glimpse of your diet.

You say you can only last 2-3 days with low carbs and you dive into a bakery(might as well) but you are considering a keto diet? Are you kidding me?

This is why you dont see a light at the end of the tunnel. I would crave carbs like crazy on your diet too. Learn how to diet first(40/30/30 to start) and workout. Then stay fit year round and not have to worry about crash dieting so you wont be ashamed of your friends seeing you.

We both know that you know better. Find a motivation to start...I think you already have one.

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Bart Boy

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posted November 28, 2000 05:49 PM

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133, the Fat fast is the best diet for quick fat loss in a short amount of time.Just try to follow it religously for the short amount of time you have left.The fact is, the diet should not be followed for a long period of time like nearly a month unless you're using some kind of pro-hormone compound or steroids but since it seems you are not it would be smart of you to just use it for a week or two(or ten days, as I am counting your time left).If you follow the diet well, you should lose a good amount of fat(you'll lose the most in the first week anyway) as well as perserving a great deal of you muscle mass.So get started as soon as possible.Hope it works for you.


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posted November 28, 2000 05:53 PM

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www.t-mag.com is the website.


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VEINS

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posted November 29, 2000 06:55 AM

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Well if it's only two weeks,do this.Only consume protein & every 3rd day eat a large salad(it will stop you from hallucinating coz of zero carbs).Do cardio first thing wether you're feeling weak & tired or not on an empty stomach.Guys were doing this all the time 30/40yrs ago to drop b/f asap.It's ok for 3wks before you have to revert back to something of a healthy diet,but as you're only in it for 2wks you'll be fine.


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andre

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posted November 29, 2000 03:23 PM

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do a 7 day dnp cycle.


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posted November 30, 2000 10:15 AM

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Actually, I'm not ashamed of my friends seeing me at all. I'm actually in pretty good shape because I've trained hard throughout the year and dieted reasonably well in these last 12 weeks or so.

I'm not SHREDDED, but I'm reasonably lean as you can see in these two photos:
www.geocities.com/momhitler/picpic1.jpg www.geocities.com/momhitler/picpic3.jpg

I've lived in a different town from my family and friends for a year now, and I just wanted to make the most of the last two weeks before I came home again. Nothing about being ashamed, more about trying to maximise results by seeking advice.

I'm down to 8 days now, so time is running out.... but I'm happy enough with how I look.

The diet I spoke of isn't one I would consider for any length of time. In fact, as soon as I get settled back home, I'm going to start on the carbs again and be a bit easier on myself in terms of dieting. I do stay in pretty good shape all year round.... I just don't see anything wrong with losing a bit of fat for summer.... and I think most would agree.

I've discovered something, though- low calorie jelly (or jello as North Americans call it).... it's tasty, fills me up and has only 68 calories/kg.... I'm pretty much drinking a litre of water without even knowing it. In the last two days, that's all I've eaten along with grilled chicken breasts and steamed fish fillets (and my vitamin/mineral of course).... so we'll see how it goes.

So until the 8th of December, it's gunna be 100% protein for me and zero carbs (except one rice cake post-workout).... hopefully I won't lose too much muscle that way.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's opinions.

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theking

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posted November 30, 2000 03:09 PM

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Are you cutting calories too on this 100% protein diet or are you eating your normal amount of calories?

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posted November 30, 2000 06:30 PM

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-133-, I was expecting a whole other body in those pics. Having that body I expected you to know better. Even the people who compete have better diets right before the competition. But from the looks of it, seems to work for you. Just done blow up from the carbs after you get back. Good luck!

The King, I like your 2nd signature, LOL!

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theking

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posted November 30, 2000 09:14 PM

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great minds think alike....

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posted December 01, 2000 01:47 AM

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I'm actually not counting calories which could be considered a mistake. Well.... I'm not counting protein calories anyway.

This is kinda how my diet goes:
As soon as I wake up, I have one cup of black coffee with no sugar which tastes like shit. Then I go to the gym. After my workout, I do 20-30 minutes on the treadmill. Then I come home, have a rice-cake and maybe some diet yogurt (not much) and about an hour later, a protein meal of grilled chicken breast, or steamed fish fillets. How much I have and how often, depends on how I'm feeling that day.... but I seriously doubt the amount of calories I'd take in from my chicken or fish would be more than I expend throughout the day. I might have anywhere up to 3 litres of sugar-free jelly (jello) but usually one or two throughout the day. And most nights I go for a 20 minute walk about an hour before bed.

This diet doesn't do much for water retention, because I'm pretty watery at the moment but I don't really mind. And I have concerns that it might be quite catabolic at times, but somehow I've made better muscle gains on this diet than I have in my life. So I'm pretty happy with it.

The only thing is being disciplined enough to stick to it, and not cave in to the carb cravings like I usually do.... but I think 7 days is a close-enough goal for me to push myself through it. Had I started at the beginning of the year, I'd be dead in the water. But now I can push aside my carb cravings with affirmations of "Only 7 days to go, only 7 days to go" instead of saying "Only 11 months and 17 days to go!"

As for blowing out with the carbs? Well.... I think I will. But I'm only going to be back home for six days before I go overseas for a month. After that, I don't really care how I look. I'll start another bulking phase and be a bit less strict. I just want to be able to enjoy myself with my friends and eat fish and chips down by the foreshore. I don't think I'll blow out too much in only six days.

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posted December 01, 2000 01:56 AM

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What's up with the black coffee?Why not just take caffeine tabs instead.Also do you in anyway take in any sort of carbs at all.Well anyway keep up the good work.Hope you have fun on your trip.


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posted December 01, 2000 12:40 PM

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The coffee is just so there's something in my stomach.... and also the caffeine gives my metabolism a kick. I don't take any supplements at all. That includes caffeine. I simply can't afford them.

I do take in some carbs, but very few. See, even DIET products that use artificial sweeteners still have some carbs.... and while it's usually less than 1%, that's still something. The only other carbs I take in are post-workout.... usually one rice cake, and perhaps some diet yogurt if there's any around.

I'm feeling SO lethargic already, though. It's 1:30am and I'm wide awake (probably because of all the Diet Coke I've been drinking at work) but my body is completely exhausted. Just standing up feeling like I'm doing a 200lb squat. But I guess that's all part of it.

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posted December 02, 2000 12:21 PM

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O.k. 133, I can't keep reading and not
reply.
First off, cut out Aspartame(Diet Coke,Diet
yogurt)this stuff enhances carb cravings.
Eggs are cheap, lo-carb, and wonderfully
nutritious.Scramble those up in the morn.,
Don't worry about fat on this diet,fat is
nueter, it will not convert to carbs unlike
protein. Fat will satisfy quickly, so no need
for over eating and you will be full for
hours. Put some Heavy whipping cream in your
pro. shakes, this will up the fat and keep
you full for hours. After day 3 you will not
even think of food, but of course eat. Try
chick. salad w/ real mayo on romaine lettuce.
Drink a ton of H20, and also the morning
coffee and the citric acid in the D.coke
will 'cause an insulin spike stay away from
it for these 2 wks. it won't hurt. Insulin
spikes mean carb cravings. Need a quick snack
before bed? eat a spoonful of real cream cheese, this will put you so nicely into ketosis. Take a good multi.(look for any
fillers,suger*)Drink alot of water. I hope
this helps.


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133, Are you doing a ketogenic diet? If so, are you able to establish ketosis eating that rice cake and Yogurt? If I ate that, I would never establish ketosis, and it would also kick me out if I was in it.

In regards to the coffee and apartame, these will not kick you out of ketosis. There are no studies showing that aspartame raises inulin levels. Its a sweetner that is 150-200 times more sweeter than sucrose. Sweetness has no effect on insulin. Now, it does have 4 Kcal/gram just like sugar, but in order to take this amount (just for 1 gram) and have it knock you out of ketosis, it would take a lot. Therefore, in less you are on a mission to drink a lot of diet cola, then don't worry about it. I have used plenty of Equal packets also and not had a problem with ketosis.

By the way, there are approximately 104-225 mg. of aspartame in a 12 oz diet cola (depends on company). That means you would have to drink at least 4-10 cans of soda to even get 1 gram of aspartame (1 gram = only 4 calories).

Also, in each packet of Equal, there are approximately 37 mg. of aspartame, which means you would have to use 26-27 packets just to equal around 1 gram (1gram = 4 calories).

****1000 mg = 1 gram. (just in case)

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posted December 03, 2000 12:39 AM

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To be honest, I'm not sure if I'm achieving ketosis with this or not. It's a bit early to tell. I think it's only been.... ummmm.... about 5 days or something since I had my last carb binge, so who knows? But I think it is working.

In regard to the rice cake and yogurt, it's only one rice cake, and about four spoonfuls of diet yogurt (which has aspartame also). I only use it to refill at least some of the glycogen stores after exercise. I don't want to be getting too catabolic.

I forget the name of whoever wrote about aspartame, and high fat.... thanks for your response, but I really can't eat fat. It just doesn't feel right. I would feel so guilty, and if the only function a high-fat diet serves is to keep you full and kerb your carb cravings, then I don't need it. I think torturing myself is half the fun. It'll make me appreciate the day I come off my diet ten times more. Same goes for aspartame.... if I can handle the carb cravings, I don't see any reason to stop taking it. Artificially sweetened food fills me up for a while at least with very few calories.

I had a piece of bread post-workout today because I ran out of rice cakes, and also a glass of diet cordial (which is 25% fruit juice). And that's all the carbs I'll have for the rest of the day.

P.S. I don't take protein shakes. No supplements at all.

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posted December 03, 2000 01:03 AM

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133, hey whatever works for you works for you so I guess keep it up.Though, fat isn't only recommended because it helps supress your appetitie but because it's anabolic.When your on a diet like yours it's important to eat protein and fat(some saturated and some essential).Anyway if you still don't feel right about eating fat then I guess don't.


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posted December 03, 2000 09:41 AM

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I must confess.... I have another motive here.

I don't think I'm losing much fat anymore, and I'm probably starting to lose muscle.... but that's okay because I come off my diet on Saturday and that's when I start my new, completely carefree bulking phase.

Call me masochistic, but I'm actually having a lot of fun torturing myself like this. I'm exhausted and lethargic 24/7, and my family keeps bringing home the nicest foods.... like rice porrige, fruit salad.... all the stuff I love. Tonight I came home from work to see two pizza boxes on the living room floor, with half an uneaten pizza in both. It's agony to resist.... and I find myself walking up and down the isles of the supermarket just looking at all the food I'd love to eat. And then walking away. I guess I like doing it because it excites me, and I know I'll appreciate the day I can come off my diet more if I torture myself more.

So really, I don't think it has as much to do with my physique anymore. I would certainly love to lose the last of the stubborn fat and for my skin to tighten up.... but with four days left, I'm happy just to maintain how I am now.

But from the moment I wake up in the morning to when I go to sleep, every step feels like a 200lbs lunge.... every movement feels like a 90lb barbell curl. That's hard too. But it's also fun. I don't know why I like punishing myself. I guess you could liken it to a kid in the snow with a sled- the higher the hill you climb, the further you'll have to ride.

Next time I'm due to cut myself up, I think I'll try some more conventional methods. At least ones which are more widely used. Perhaps try a high-fat diet to go with my high protein one. If I'm already fat, what would I have to lose?

One thing I found to be very interesting, though.... maybe someone can explain it to me. I'm urinating fine, but I haven't needed to go #2 since Tuesday. And it's now Sunday night. What's with that? It's not that I'm constipated.... I just haven't had the urge to go. Very weird, I think.

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Actually it means you're constipated.A lot of people think constipation means they feel like going but can't because of the discomfort, but that isn't true.It seems like you colon muscles have gone lazy.I don't know what caused it but probably it had to do with the lack of carbs.No carbs, no fiber rich foods.Also, fats, both the saturated kind and essential kind act as lubricants which could have helped a bit.Be careful to, when you start your "carefree" binge for life.You may actually want start adding carbs to your diet right now ever so slightly since it seems like you're losing muscle now.You see if you're losing muscle, you're not losing a favorable amount of fat anymore.Also by adding a bit of carbs now and raising the amount a bit higher everyday you can avoid looking to much like a bloated sumo on your first day of food gluttony.


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