Final answer on Clen/ECA?

[jcrewgirl]

After much research, I've yet to figure out the real answer- should you take the ECA Stack while on 2 weeks off during the Clen cycle?
I personally would think the answer would be no, because it would further downgrade your receptors but so many people suggest it despite this fact.
Anyone?

 

[The Shadow]

ECA has nothing to do with the clen receptors.

Where did you get that??


You "alternate" with the ECA to keep a fat burner in the system.



You can run both togther after you max out the clen(sides).

 

[jcrewgirl]

Okie dokey. So thats the only response?

 

[2sasc4u2]

ECA has nothing to do with the clen receptors.

Where did you get that??


You "alternate" with the ECA to keep a fat burner in the system.



u can run both togther after you max out the clen(sides).

How much eca would you take? How many eff. How many caff. How many asprin? Thanks

 

[Sassy69]

Alternating w/ ECA is pretty much standard. Not much else to discuss.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Ephedrine works on Beta-2 receptors. Clenbuterol works on Beta-2 receptors. Therefore Clenbuterol and Ephedrine work on the same receptors.

Alternating them is like alternating spring water and filtered water because they're different types of water.

Read this:

http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php

Then read this:

(It's me and the current Assistant Director of Research and Development for Biotest Laboratories, Cy Wilson, discussing Stimulants.... His undergraduate major was biotechnology with a minor in chemistry....currently he's a doctoral candidate):

http://www.t-nation.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-098-diet.html

 

[The Shadow]

Seeing as both ultimately lead to receptor downgrade, alternating them, *might* slow down those effects, but only complete discontinuation of the stack will allow for complete upregulation.


Both are Beta-2 Agonists - yes.


Knowing that caffeine, in some studies, has been shown to increease fat burning by 70% or more in aerobic exercise....why would one NOT add it to the mix?

"[Aspirin] is often added to fat-burner products because it appears to reduce urinary excretion of ephedrine, thus keeping it in the blood longer and prolonging ephedrine's stimulating effects," explains Sheri Barke, MPH, PD, a nutritionist at the UCLA Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center.




My comments, while unclear, were directed at the effects of caffeine and asprin as the continuation of a pm about the subject.



However, I have personally found that the vast majority of competitors who have added eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin once the Clenbuterol's effectiveness have begun to fade a bit, have most definitely experienced an upswing in fat loss compared to the previous weeks of Clenbuterol alone.



For the record - I HATE this f'ning new feature on the boards that "thinks" for you.

LOL

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Seeing as both ultimately lead to receptor downgrade, alternating them, *might* slow down those effects, but only complete discontinuation of the stack will allow for complete upregulation.


Both are Beta-2 Agonists - yes.


Knowing that caffeine, in some studies, has been shown to increease fat burning by 70% or more in aerobic exercise....why would one NOT add it to the mix?

"[Aspirin] is often added to fat-burner products because it appears to reduce urinary excretion of ephedrine, thus keeping it in the blood longer and prolonging ephedrine's stimulating effects," explains Sheri Barke, MPH, PD, a nutritionist at the UCLA Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center.




My comments, while unclear, were directed at the effects of caffeine and asprin as the continuation of a pm about the subject.



However, I have personally found that the vast majority of competitors who have added eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin once the Clenbuterol's effectiveness have begun to fade a bit, have most definitely experienced an upswing in fat loss compared to the previous weeks of Clenbuterol alone.



For the record - I HATE this f'ning new feature on the boards that "thinks" for you.

LOL

Both clen and ephedrine work on the same receptor. However, Ephedine seems to slow gastric emptying a bit more than Clen, while Clen seems to have properties Ephedrine doesn't. I think that those different features probably make them each worthwhile in different ways...Eph. is far more effective for me, because of it's effects on slowing gastric emptying.

 

[MsBeverlyHills]

How much eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin would you take? How many eff. How many caff. How many asprin? Thanks

25 mg ephedrine, 200 mg caffeine, and 300 mg aspirin. taken approximately one hour before a workout & not more than three times a week.