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Vertical Leap training thread

I tried the Jump Snatch/Clean Pull today.
I think this is a awesome move for improving vertical jump and the standing long jump. Use a load that allows your feet to leave the ground. Since its simple and not as skilled based as the Power Clean and Snatch, its much better for developing power. You can use more weight too.

Its kind a like a jumping deadlift

ANother good move is the Jump shrug with a dive start. Basicly
you set the power rack bars so that when barbell is sitting on them, it's at knee height - when you have your knees bent to the exact same height as the bottom of your vertical jump.
Then just leave the bar there and stand up. On a count of 3 you drop down like your vertical jumping, grab the bar and jump up so your feet leave the ground, shrugging the shoulders at the top of the jump. Drop the bar down again and repeat.

Also the Push press is a good exercise.

Power cleans feel so pussy compared to these lifts ;)
Olympic lift hybrids are so much fun!!!!!!!!
I feel like a mean explosive power athlete MOFO :fro:

But damn I need some lifting gloves - tore up my hands throwing these Olympics bars around! :(
 
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freak!

Hector Soto in 1996 -
http://www.volleyball.org/people/hector_soto.html
skyin2.jpg


46" vertical


A few years later with a reported 48" vertical
http://volleyball.about.com/library/weekly/aa000224-player.htm

soto3.jpg


His feet are almost at the other guy's shoulder!

I don't know if the measurements are for a standing vert
but the pictures tell a thousand words! :)
And he's 6'6" too....

Must be awfully hard to block his spikes!
 
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http://www.intensitymagazine.com/01-15-02/erick_colbert.html


In the evolution of Power development, it is very important to become familiar with the concept of strength deficit. It's an extremely powerful tool that will assist you, the coach, in determining the individual needs of your players, regardless of the sport. In this article, I'll illustrate exactly what the strength deficit is, an easy way to assess the athlete, how to interpret the results, and point you in the right direction as to the proper way to maximize each athlete's potential to express Power on the playing field—Where It Counts!

First and foremost, the strength deficit is "the percentage of maximal strength potential which is not used during a given motor task." The task could be anything related to sport movement in any variety of sports. "Why wouldn't a player be able to use all of his/her strength potential?" Well, let's take a look at some research. Below is a list of various sport motions, and the time it takes to perform these tasks in seconds. Movement Time (s)
Shot put 0.15-0.18
Javelin 0.16-0.18
Sprinting (coming out of the blocks) 0.08-0.10
Long Jump 0.11-0.12
High Jump 0.18


As you can see, these explosive sports movements occur extremely quick. To fully grasp why it isn't possible to express maximal strength fully one must be aware of the time it takes to display maximal strength and force. Research has shown that maximal force is reached between 0.3-0.4 seconds. In some instances, it may be slightly longer than 0.04 for a small minority. What does this tell us? Look at the movements listed in the chart above. They are executed at a significantly faster rate than that of maximal force. Upon comparison, it becomes quite apparent that we simply cannot utilize all of our muscular force within these time parameters.

The most common way to measure the strength deficit in your athletes is through the vertical jump test. The coach needs to get a measurement for the static jump. This simply means a jump from bent legs (the stretch reflex should be totally eliminated, so hold position for 3-4 seconds before allowing athlete to explode upward). One must also use dynamic measure, which is a vertical jump preceded by a sudden dip to activate the stretch reflex which results in greater force. The difference between the two should then be calculated. The dynamic subtracted by the static jump = strength deficit. The standard difference is approximately 20%—that's acceptable. If the difference between the two numbers is large (more than 20%), then the athlete is lacking explosiveness. Therefore, the athlete needs to focus his attention towards explosive training in the form of Olympic lifts for low reps, Plyometrics (shock training), and Medicine ball work. These methods are effective in training the nervous system to fire quicker and with more force. If the difference in the numbers is small (less than 20%), there will be a need to gear towards building hypertrophy (muscular size) using moderate weights with ample repetitions along with a concerted effort to improve starting strength. The strengthening exercises should be basic in nature, and the focus should be on multi-joint exercises that stimulate large amounts of muscle fiber. Never forget the core!

I would recommend testing for this 3-4 times a year during the off-season to assess the effectiveness of your training. It'll give an indication as to whether you've made any headway on increasing your explosiveness or whether or not the muscle mass you are building is translating into functional strength or unnecessary bulk.

Let's not forget that most skill-oriented sports involve ballistic movements that occur much quicker than the time it takes to achieve maximal force. In relation to time, the slower the movement, the more max strength will predominate. To the contrary, when movements are quick, strength plays a much lesser role. Rate of Force Development, RFD (your ability to activate as many muscle fibers in the shortest amount of time) becomes the overriding factor for success. This activation of muscle fiber can be thought of as an explosive burst, as witnessed from a flash bulb when someone takes a picture or flips a light switch, if you will.

I hope this article has been enlightening as to the importance of the strength deficit. Understanding the basic elements should help you to see the big picture in attaining maximal Power. The assessment of strength deficit is easily done and the test doesn't lie. The results will leave you with little doubt as to what is needed. The vertical is used because it is, without question, one of the best markers for assessing overall explosive power of the athlete in a wide variety of sports. Give it a try. You won't be sorry!
 
Q. I am 32 and a volleyball player. It seems that I have lost a eight (8) inches from my vertical over the last few years. I have gotten back into the gym and taking it very serious trying to regain what I have lost. Its been 3 months or so and I am feeling stronger, but I am not really getting what I am after so far. We train our legs once every 6 or 7 days trying to give enough rest. Starting with leg press of 4 sets with 12,12,10,12 reps. From there we go to hack squats with the same set and rep scheme. Then leg extensions , finally, only 1 exercise for hamstrings and calves. It doesn't seem like we are training the fast twitch muscles much? How do I work in the training for the fast twitch muscles or do I change my whole routine?

A. The current routine will not do much to improve your vertical jump. To improve your vertical jump, your program should be centered around the Olympic lifts variations, i.e. ... clean pulls from mid-thigh, power snatches. Improving your strength in squats, deadlifts and pulls will directly translate into increases in vertical jump height. Once you have base strength levels, the best exercises that have carry-over to vertical jump increases are:


Power Snatch

Power Cleans

Push-jerks

Snatch Pulls

Clean Pulls

Jump squats

Barbell Back Lunges

Caber Toss

Pull-throughs

High Bench Step-ups
Best of luck,

--Charles Poliquin
 
Balance your strength program

Balance Your Strength Program

Milton Williams

The purpose of this article is to show how the Olympic lifts (snatch, clean, and jerk) can be incorporated into a well-balanced strength program. I really think the issue of whether a person should do power lifts or Olympic lifts should be a dead issue. I think most coaches now recognize the value and interdependence of both styles of lifts. The marriage of the two brings the best of two worlds together, along with tremendous results for the athlete.

When I first arrived in Baton Rouge, I immediately looked up Gayle Hatch, a noted Olympic lifting coach, to help me with my personal training. I had been incorporating the snatch and clan & jerk into my program to help me with my shot putting, and I felt that his guidance would help me with those two lifts. What I gained was a philosophy of strength training that has proven invaluable. Perhaps some of you might be wondering what I saw that sold me on the program that I’m going to outline for you. Gayle Hatch’s weightlifting team has won the Jr. Olympic National Title for more that four years in a row. He has produced two Olympians in four years, and numerous National champs and World Master champs. For those of you who are interested in some of the lifters personal bests, look at the following:


Tommy Calandro – 1984 Olympic tea member in the 198 lb. Class
Power Clean – 408
Power Snatch – 308 X 2
Front Squat – 525: 475 X 8
Bench Press – 400

Brett Brian – 1988 Olympic team member in the 198 lb. Class
Power Clean – 400
Power Snatch – 303
Front Squat – 460
Bench Press – 405

Brandon Baker – Age 16 Ht., 5’9", Wt. 175
Clean & Jerk 358
Front Squat – 396 X 5
Bench Press – 350
Vertical Jump – 30’

Note that all of these athletes are not just specialist in Olympic lifts, but possess tremendous total body strength, Calandro and Brian also have vertical jumps of 37-38 inches.

Let me now detail the program that produced these lifts. I should first explain that this program is for an advanced high school athlete. This load would have to be built up to for a period of 3 – 5 years. Coach Hatch also believes in all athletes doing the complete squat snatch and squat clean, regardless of the sport. This seems to be the trend of many teams today, both in the professional and collegiate ranks.

Monday

Snatch
Power Snatch
Jerk Behind Neck
Snatch Pull
Overhead squats

Tuesday (Heavy Day)

Front Squat
Back Squat
Bench Press/Incline
Power Shrug (Clean Grip)
Lat Pull
Curl
Neck

Thursday

Clean & Jerk
Power Jerk
Power Clean
Clean Pull


Friday (Light Day)

Back Squat
Front Squat
Incline/Bench Press
Power Shrugs (Snatch Grip)
Lat Pull
Hyperextensions
Neck

The cycle is normally started with 8 reps on squats, presses, and pulls, with 5 reps being the rep scheme on power clean and power snatch. Three are done on the squat snatch and squat clean. After three weeks the reps are dropped to 5’s on squats, presses (bench and incline), and pulls. Threes become the main staple for all other lifts. Two to three weeks into the phase have the athlete do 85%-90% triples and 80%-85% 5’s on heavy days. There is usually a 10% -15% reduction on light days. When the 90%triples are regularly handled, a bonus set is permitted. This set is usually 95% -100% of 1-2 reps.

There you have it. Lots of brutally hard work done in a manner to yield great gains in strength, explosiveness, flexibility, and coordination. In short, all the attributes needed to succeed in athletics.
 
Kevin Kovach

When does your maximum load in squat stop improving your jumping ability?

For example lets say someone starts training with a 20 inch vertical, and can squat 100 pounds. He works out for awhile,and raises his max squat to 200 pounds. He now has a 23 inch vertical. He then adds another 100 pounds to his squat, and he has a 26 inch vertical. And so on.
Well my question is, when does the improvement in squat stop correlating to vertical jump.


Todd Wilson

The correlation will stop when their rate of force production limits the height of their jump do to the inability of the muscle (i.e., muscle, nervous system, etc.) to produce enough force in the amount of time that it takes to jump. In other words. To propell your body 26 inches in the air, you have to produce X amount of force, in Y amount of time. That ratio must remain constant if you were to keep progressing 3 inches for every hundred pounds.

However, here's something else to look at. Let's say you squat 250 and jump 26 inches. You improve your squat to 300 but you still jump 26 inches. Why didn't your jump go up? Because you improved strength, not power. You can produce more force, but it takes more time. SO how then do you go about improving jumping ability? Well, you need to improve power. What is power? FxD/T? Therefore we would need to get faster at producing the force. You would do this via, Olympic lifts, Plyometrics, or depending on what you had been doing to get stronger, using heavier or lighter weight. For example, if you built your 300 pound squat using reps of 6-8 RM, reps of 1-3RM may help improve power. If you've been using reps of 1-3RM, perhaps 1-3 reps is good, but you might need to lower weight in order to work on acceleration, etc. But you see my point, you would need to get faster. On the other hand, let's say...you had a 30 inch vertical, but only could squat 135. You go on a plyometric program for 6 weeks, re-test your vertical, and you've gained maybe an inch on your vertical. Well that sucks! So what should you do? More plyo's? Absolutely not. You would need to squat then because while the person can generate force quickly, he isn't generating a whole lot of force. SO take that person and get him up to a 100kg squat and you'll have a guy with a 33-36 inch vertical.

This is the problem with most periodization models. "Power" improvement for one athlete may mean that plyo's explosive lifts etc. are ideal, but for another, he may actually need to train slower (but not necessarily slow mind you) to get faster.
 
help me coolcolj?

my vertical is a 30 standing and i know i lack strength cause plyos never worked for me. i was wondering what exercises should i do and what rep scheme should i use my goal is a 36 standing and 40 running. maybe you could help me out with a program coolcolj?
my body type is alot like yours i have very muscular legs im about 170 , i think and im 5'9

thanks for your help in advanced
 
well squats will be the mainstay, starting with 10 reps for a month or so to learn the move.

then gradually drop the reps so your doing around 5-6 for the most. Do sets of around 80-85% of 1RM, controlled down, as hard and fast as you can push it going up.

Plus lighter speed sets with 40-50% of 1RM, fast down, and fast up. Slow down near the lockout though

Jump squats with 20-30% of 1RM

Military presses and push presses, incline benchpress, bent over barbell or dumbell 70 degree rows, Romanian deadlifts (slow going down, explode coming up), single leg dumbell calf raises
Use the same rep and % schemes
Work your abs as well.

Olympic lifts as well, but unless you get taught it, I don't recommend them. You can do Jumping clean pulls with around 3-5 reps instead.

sets I'll leave that up to you, but I find for myself 2-3 worksets after warmup sets is more than sufficient. 1-2 speed sets are enough. Don't go to failure.
Take a week or 2 off every 8 weeks or so.

designing a personal program is a lot more complicated than this, just a general guide. I suggest you take a look at this vert program and others posted in this thread for ideas

http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=24

It will take about a month or two before you start seeing solid gains. You can expect about 3-4 inches after 3 months or so, judging by my results. It goes in spurts - my squat is going up all the time, but the VJ will gain couple inches here and there, and not continously in relation to my squat.

As as always constantly increase the weights in all exercises as you get stronger.
 
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