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Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!


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Excerpt: Content by Madcow2 Last Revised 1/11/2006 UPDATE - I have updated program descriptions, template downloads, and an updated Table of Contents on my Geocities site (i.e. lots more topics and better organization). This will be the final update of this TOC in the thread (and it's an incomplete one because there's just too much) but the one on that site essentially links all the topics below and more, many of which come to this very thread. This is easier on me and the better descriptions with

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

    They are all the same program just different ways of saying it. The only actual variation was the 3 day 3x3 deload in the first post which I address further down as the volume is higher and requires some judgement for an inexperienced trainee (combining the terms judgement and inexperienced can make this an issue). Of course there's the beginners program too but the rest are identical.
    Last edited by Madcow2; 18-Feb-2005 at 02:23 PM.

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

    Whats up man? I tried to write you the other day but your PM box was full. Anyway, just wanted to update you as I have completed the first 4 weeks of the program. Heres how my final day of the 4 weeks went (Friday workout)

    Squats
    Bar x 5, warmup
    135 x 5
    225 x 5
    275 x 5
    300 x 5
    315 x 5

    Bench
    Bar x 5, warmup
    135 x 5, warmup
    210 x 5, 5 sets

    Rows
    135 x 5, warmup
    215 x 5, 5 sets

    What do you think? Im definately making progress... Im a little dissapointed in my bench,m its always been my weak point... But I am improving. The bent-over rows Im loving-Keeping back parallell, and doing it as an "explosive" movement from the floor each time... I feel this is one of my stronger lifts... Any tips or advice is appreciated as always...
    Bionic

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

    Just emptied the PM box.

    Overall it looks good. I'm guessing you made all your weights for the record weeks. Next time through you'd want to hit these weights or ideally slightly above depending on how easy they were on week 3 and stretch it out for week 4. You also seem to make a significant jump in the bench and rows. You might find it useful to do a double/triple about halfway between your listed warmups and working weights as this is a big % jump at your working weight.

    In regards to your bench - everyone has a lift they struggle with and the BP is a lift that is heavily determined by genetics so you handle the weight that is hard for you not for some guy who could press 315 his first time in the gym. There was a thread in the past day or so on improving your bench. There are some very good uncommon assistance exercises listed there - of course it's important to understand exactly where your weak point is and what will get you the most improvement. You could also take a look at your technique and see if there's some margin for improvement there. You generally won't see the benefits to a technique change until after you've implemented it for a while and it may feel almost detrimental at first compared to what you are used to but it's something to consider.

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

    Quote Quote posted by BionicBC
    Whats up man? I tried to write you the other day but your PM box was full. Anyway, just wanted to update you as I have completed the first 4 weeks of the program. Heres how my final day of the 4 weeks went (Friday workout)

    Squats
    Bar x 5, warmup
    135 x 5
    225 x 5
    275 x 5
    300 x 5
    315 x 5

    Bench
    Bar x 5, warmup
    135 x 5, warmup
    210 x 5, 5 sets

    Rows
    135 x 5, warmup
    215 x 5, 5 sets

    What do you think? Im definately making progress... Im a little dissapointed in my bench,m its always been my weak point... But I am improving. The bent-over rows Im loving-Keeping back parallell, and doing it as an "explosive" movement from the floor each time... I feel this is one of my stronger lifts... Any tips or advice is appreciated as always...
    Bionic
    Dumb question: Why do you work up the weight for squats while bench and rows have 5 working sets at the same weight?

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

    That's just the friday workout.

    Check through this thread and you should see the full routine in detail.

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

    Quote Quote posted by Carl Carlson
    Dumb question: Why do you work up the weight for squats while bench and rows have 5 working sets at the same weight?
    Because this is the "day 3" workout, on your "day 1" workout it switches-YOu have 5 working sets of bench and rows at the same weight, and you work up to 1 set of max weight at squats, for a TOTAL of 5 sets (in all exercises) Your Day 2 workout is Squats (at 20% less weight than day 1-this lift is dropped after first 4 weeks) Deadlifts, Military Press, and Pullups.
    Bionic

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

    Yup, I'm an idiot - I had been through this thread a bunch of times before but didn't even realize that... Sorry.

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

    Quote Quote posted by Carl Carlson
    Yup, I'm an idiot - I had been through this thread a bunch of times before but didn't even realize that... Sorry.
    S'all good.
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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

    it dosn't seem simple to me!
    what % of 1RM do you usually use for 5x5's?
    80-85?

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    Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

    It depends on the person.

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