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[bblazer]

Agreed 100% with calling the top strongman competitors athletic.

Powerlifters, however, are not.

Are you saying you are anti squat gut? Those big old belly blisters are things of beauty! I have been working on mine for nearly 25 years! It goes well with all my back hair!

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[ExtraMile]

One thing I would point out though, is that I would venture to say that we could call the top strongmen competitors athletic. Remember that their events not only test functional strength, but speed, agility and endurance under load.

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Except Glenn Ross

I don’t think he can actually physically perform a clean due to lack of flexibility… I may be wrong though it could be a shoulder injury or something. Have you seen the way he cleaned the appolon’s axle in the Arnold Strongman contest? Its pretty sick how he pressed that ~380lb axle for reps with no leg drive but still… wow if he has such little flexibility and boy does he have a belly on him lol.

Heres the vid for those interested, he’s up second after svend karlsen:

YouTube - Arnold Strongman Classic 2005 - Apollon's Wheel pt. 2

 

[the_alcatraz]

Are you saying you are anti squat gut? Those big old belly blisters are things of beauty! I have been working on mine for nearly 25 years! It goes well with all my back hair!

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haha I would rather all strongmen look like marius

 

[ExtraMile]

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i personaly think dorian was the first bodybuilder to explore other substances and new level of doses to acheieve his physique,

you could never see from his early stages that he had the genes for bodybuilding

thats because he wasnt lifting or eating like a BBer lol... maybe he wasnt naturally muscular but he did have muscle growing genes if that makes sense, like muscle insertion points, muscle fibre distribution, mind-muscle link etc. Otherwise he simple would not have gotten as big as he did... look at that back and those calves and tell me he had bad genes...

 

[the_alcatraz]

thats because he wasnt lifting or eating like a BBer lol... maybe he wasnt naturally muscular but he did have muscle growing genes if that makes sense, like muscle insertion points, muscle fibre distribution, mind-muscle link etc. Otherwise he simple would not have gotten as big as he did... look at that back and those calves and tell me he had bad genes...

Exactly...nowadays, bodybuilders are bigger and have beter juice, but how many look like Dorian?

 

[ExtraMile]

lol i disagree we cana rgue with the nehancements avaialable today to bodybuilders almost anyone can acheieve a physique of his size

just look at kai greene or phil heath

kai for over 10 years had a very similar physique and showed he playued at a very large size

then over a peroid of 1 year manages to all sudden throw on 30-40 pound sof lean muscle mass in his offseason? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

phil heath use to be a scrawny basketball player

few years and he won NPC championship and again showed a similar stage to kai

turned pro and BANG we saw a similar 30-40 pounds gained

we can look at phils last year, compare his size and ocndition in the rescent arnold classic to last years peroformances on stage and we can see a HUGE difference

i mean lets consider it, we can argue the guys had muscle fiber distiribution, insertion points, long muscle fascias and wateva

but when these guys are using 5-6 grams of anabolic MINIMUM, synthol, growth hormones, insulin, implants, thyroids, appetite suppresents, diuretics, IGF all in huge doses

can we really argue they have great genetics? and if so are they geneticaly gifted in there ability to grow? or there bodys abilitys to handle such HUGE levels of substances?

we can look and most guys who stood on the pro level bodybuilding scene 20 years ago, there average arm size was 18 and half to 19ich shredded, guys who had arms over 20 inches were consider gifted and VERY gifted

we look at the pros today and 22 inches is considered standard if not lagging behind there massive frames

we all know dexter jackson, look into his old bodybuilding contests, he was naturaly very lean and almost ectomorphic but carried VERY little size, we look today and hes a monster and very lean

you say look at dorian yates back and calves and say he had good genes, but ive seen pros with the shittest calve genes turn them into prize winning calves with 3 months of synthol use so its not as hard to do as people think

people arhue alot of these pros were very geneticaly gifted, i disagree, when your using that level of substances to achieve there size then does genetics really play that big of a factor anymore?

they might have had better then average genetics then the average guy, but lets face it we look at them before they hit the gear and weve probably seen guys in our gym who are natural show greater potential then these pros

just my thoughts

all very good points, and yes I have seen old pics of kai greene and it seemed like once he got in with a shot of competing with the big boys he went for the huge freak look and went all out. His gay ass posing is a differant matter lololol.

can we really argue they have great genetics? and if so are they geneticaly gifted in there ability to grow? or there bodys abilitys to handle such HUGE levels of substances?

This was the point I was trying to make. Even if the big name pro's were skinny as kids of teens or whatever, they are all genetically gifted in one way or another, maybe not to carry large amounts of muscle mass naturally without training but for one they are all gifted in that their bodies can tolerate the drugs, food and shear size.

And by the sounds of it most of the big name pro's had good enough genetics to not carry much bodyfat, whether that was because they were just generally skinny to begin with so they didnt carry but fat or muscle, or they were the athletic type either way how many times have you seen pics of a pro before they started training and they were fat as fuck?

 

[ExtraMile]

lol and for some reason Kai thinks hes a philosapher and an artist LMFAO when hes making pornos of fukin a grapefruit, one weird fuking bloke

yes ill agree that geneticaly gifted muscle builders they arent, but gifted in there ability to handle substances yes

i also will agree some of them have the genetics to have a good frame to support there level of muscle symetricaly (e.g flex wheeler and shawn ray)

but really do think the term GENETICALY GIFTED is missleading to call these guys, i call a guy who can bench 400 pounds naturally geneticaly gifted, or a guy will 19ich arms ripped naturally geneticaly

maybe theres something better to call these guys?

however i will agree some of these guys are geneticaly gifted, arnold i think was gifted to acheieve his arm size with what those bodybuilders had available to them back in his times

aswell as ronnie coleman since even before gear he did show great potential and symetry, however i persoanly think he lost his symetry as he pursued size

lol OMEGA posted a naked photo shoot of him over in Chat&Conversation too I saw an RX Muscle video when dave palumbo went to Kai Greene's flat and Kai had like no money cause he lost one of his sponsors and his flat was littered with paintings of naked women and people fucking eachother... and one the floor was a BBing trophy that had been broken... lol

yeah I saw a pic of Ronnie when he was a teen and playing for a highschool football team and his arms were fuckin huge, and this was before he even knew about BBing lol

 

[ronki23]

Most pro bodybuilders ARE genetically gifted-you don't see Barry Bonds/ Sylvester Stallone winning competition from all the roids they take do you? They have above-average genetics but not the best if you know what I mean; they are the 'big' (over 200 lb) guys lifting heavy weight (over 300 on all compound lifts) down the gym/ or guys with natural six packs/muscle separation and good strength for their size but a level up due to the stuff they take.

Actually, I wanted to know, which bodybuilders did NOT use steroids- Mike O'Hearn and John Hansen were accused of it even though they claim to be natural? The same goes for even the old guys like Reg Park/Steve Reeves/Chet Yorton!

Also,which famous bodybuilders were accused of using Synthol/implants? Was there ever a time before this happened? Apparently,even Schwarzenegger took Esiclene and that was meant to be like Synthol

Finally, what were your opinions on the Berkhan/Butt Models-which is more accurate?

 

[bblazer]

I think Gregg Valentino is/was all natty.

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[twenty47]

how is synthol use overcoming genetics??