Understanding AAS Dosing

[Realgains]

Newbie's and even some experienced bros often wonder about how much steroid they should take in order to gain at a decent rate.

Dose needed depends mainly on how close to, or how above you are form your natural max, or the maximum size you could attain as a natural.

Now you may ask what is ones natural max anyway....well as a general guide the average man of 5'9 or 10" can get to a fairly lean 190 without steroids. This takes smart training with infrequent low volume and fairly high intensity training, not to mention good rest and nutrition.

So if you are 5'10" and 160 pounds then you do not need steroids in order to make good gains.

If you are under your natural max but have put on some good mass as a natural then using simply 500 mg of test per week would give you good gains. You could also stack and make the cycle almost as good but less androgenic by doing 250 of test and 250 of Boldonone per week or 250 of test and 250 of Nandrolone per week.

In order to break through your natural max you will likely need larger doses. Using test as an example I would say that 500-750mg per week would be needed by the average guy in order to break past ones natural max providing diet, training and rest are in order.

Higher doses are needed to make gains as you get progressively larger than your natural max.

To give you idea what the really big boys take please read on.......

Top competitors routinely take up to 2 grams of test per week as well as GH and perhaps some insulin. Other gear may be used.
The freaky pro's commonly take up to 4 grams of test per week along with GH, IGF-1 and insulin. Other gear may be added as well.

I would recommend that you use as little gear as possible in order to see good gains but this takes some experimentation.
Hopes this helps.

RG

 

[Quadsweep]

Good post Real!

Quad

 

[Maxx Out]

Nice post!

 

[myasshurts]

What would you estimate the natural max to be for a person who is 6'1?

 

[firstenrgy]

Good post!
firstenrgy

 

[Realgains]

What would you estimate the natural max to be for a person who is 6'1?

Generally I would add 8-10 pounds for every inch about 5'10" so at 6'1" you should be able to get to about 215 at least, unless you are small boned quite rare actually. If you have a 7" wrist size you are medium boned. 7.5 and up and you are larged boned.

One also need to know if one is ectomorhic, mesomorhic or endomorphic or a combo of the above .

Guys that are really thin with not a lot of muscle mass and with a small or medium bone structure are ectomorhic in structure and should reduce their expectations. There are plenty of men over 6 feet tall that are ectomorphic. They can be most easily recognized at the gym by their narrowish shoulder structure and especially thin upper and lower legs .

True mesomorphs are rare. These men have a medium to perhaps medium large bone structure. They are naturally muscular and put on mass fairly quickly. Dorian Yates comes to mind here...come to think of it most pros are mesomorphic ,or at least almost so.

True endomorphs are not as rare as mesomorhs and are large boned, naturally strong and have a tendancy to put on a layer of fat. Most top power lifters are endomorhs or endo/meso.

Most men are a combo ecto/meso and as such should be able to attain to 215 at 6'1" with proper training, nutrition and rest.

 

[Hauge]

very good posts to those who for like their 2 nd cycle or even there first cycle go crazy with this shit. I dunno why they always think more is better. Ah well what can ya do except try and educate them like you did Real. Karma to ya.

 

[Willyumyum]

Great post!

YUM

 

[duff_rose]

Thanks for the info! I think a lot of newbies do go beyond what they need. I obviously did too much my first cycle.

 

[The Man Child]

No, not a good post, AWESOME POST!

I'd like to take it a step further with my own 2 cents...

It kills me to see guys that have been juicing for a year or two or even more taking huge amounts of gear. I read it somewhere else, but its a great quote "what ever happened to when a cycle meant something? When you pour your heart and soul into a low dose Test only cycle. Now a days people are using heavy doses and treat it as though it were just another 8 weeks out of their lives."

I think the key to getting the most out of your cycles is getting involved in your cycle. Devote 110% of your life to it. Stay moderate, and bust your ass. Remember, nothing and I mean nothing beats hard work!