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overtraining misery/ what to do?

wavywoman

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Let me start off by saying that I the reason I post this message on this board is because this board has more knowledgable people than the average fitness board! This board is great!
:confused: Hmmm... where to begin... Right now I think I'm in a stage of overtraining. I have most of the symptoms I read up on: amenorrhea for a year with one period last January, fatigue, general moodiness, sometimes wobbly or dizzy-feeling, impulsive need to work out every day and I probably don't eat enough for what I do. I do a little weight-resistant exercise, but the bulk of what I do nearly every day is cardio. The elliptical machine tells me that I supposedly burn 900 calories in a little over an hour of exercise (65 minutes or so). By my estimates I eat about 1300-1500 a day, although I know I should probably be eating a little more. I guess simple math would tell me I'm eating way too little if the elliptical machine is right. However, I'm in a quandry. I'm fairly happy at my weight right now 5'4"/110-112 and have no desire whatsoever of gaining weight, of course-- unless it's muscle. (Technically, according to my age, 20, small body frame I'm at a healthy weight). Over the fall and winter, I decided that the amenorrhea was serious, and began to eat more. I went from 1500 on average to about 2000 fairly gradually, which was easy to do because of all the @$%@#$ holiday food. Supposedly, on a lot of websites and books I've read, my body can support 2000 calories while maintaining my weight and work out schedule, but my experiences say otherwise. My workouts were easier and I lifted more weights, but despite my harder-than-usual workouts I gained ten pounds of flab on the 2000 calorie a day diet, fairly quickly. I also had a period at my peak last winter of 120 or so. Granted, being 120lbs isn't fat, but on my body it all became cellulite, belly fat. Eating more seems to have un-done all of the gains in my body since I had began to exercise in January of 2000. (Many women look good at "normal" weights whereas I do not. Just had to write this in case any 5'4" 120lbs woman is reading this and thinking "So, you think I'M A PRIZE CORN-FED HIEFFER COW?"-- no, I do not. I don't gain the weight in my chest, for example. I'm much more comfortable at the low end where I am now. It all goes straight to my stomach, thighs, ass.) I freaked out at how blubbery I felt and at how much I had gained, so over a period of time I ended up cutting back, mainly on extra carbs. I've also became more aware of my body's "need" for fat, and more protein. My workouts are now a bit slower than they used to be. I have a lot of overtraining symptoms, too. I still work out nearly every day @ 900 calories. I don't know what to do. Today I jogged instead of doing the elliptical, and probably burned 600 or so-- right now I feel much better, more alert, etc., not as moody. My common sense tells me to maybe back off a little the strenuousness of my cardio, or take more rest days, or eat more, but the irrational side of me is fearful that I'll gain all the nasty flab back again, undoing all of my "gains". For instance, if I cut back on cardio to 600kcal for 6 days a week, I won't burn the 1800kcals extra that I do when I maintain the 900kcal workouts. In my mind the extra 1800 will turn to flabby fat on my thighs, adding a new pound of lard on my body every two weeks. On the other hand, I wonder if I'm burning off so much muscle or becoming so lethargic at 900kcal a day that cutting back wouldn't change anything (because I'd be more physically active during the day, have more muscle to burn calories). This is driving me insane. What would you guys/girls suggest I do? Thanks for putting up with my whining!
 
OK welcome to calorie counting hell. I cant' give you all the specific details here -- but I've picked up a few misconceptions about exercise & eating -

- cardio is catabolic. Maybe trade in some of the cardio time for weight lifting
- the number of calories the elliptical machine says doesn't account for the fat you will continue to burn throughout the day now that your system has been "kick started".
- Overtraining sucks - the better term is under-recovery. If you don't allow your body the time and resources it needs to recover, eventually it will take it, regardless of what you want or do (e.g. you'll get sick, feel sluggish, maybe have your metabolism slow down, hold onto all the calories you are consuming, regardless of cardio) It will affect your mood. Also if you are doing the same thing all the time, your body will get conditioned toward it and then returns on your efforts will no longer be as efficient.
- Eating should be the fuel for living, not something you have to fight on a daily basis to keep the calories down. If you eat a clean diet w/ the stuff to fuel your body vs. just food that provides a total number of calories per day, your body will actually become more efficient at processing the food you put in. This is the reason behind why eating more will help you lose weight.
- Dont' get hung up on weight- its a number that represents how attractive your mass is to the earth. The more relavent measure is body fat.
- Don't be scared of food. Identify the right food that will fuel your body and will be processed optimally.

Your body WANTS to run efficiently - but if you don't provide it with the stuff it needs, it ain't gonna.

BTW, if you've not had your period for that long, you really need to get that addressed. I'm sure you've seen some of the threads about this topic, the long term effects of amenhorrea - brittle bones, etc. Don't go there at your age - you need that bone mass! Same for being dizzy from lack of food. Forget how it affects your workouts and mood - this affects the quality of your life. A couple extra pounds is worth a good quality existence. Maybe have your whole diet & exercise regimen assessed by a personal trainer or someone who can give you a more varied program w/ the right foods, right calories for your goals and some more weight training instead of just cardio.

Good luck!

Lobo? Anyone else any comments?
 
not sure how long you stayed at 120, but i'd give it 3-4 months for your body to adjust to actually getting fed adaquate amounts (the body is an effiecent machine and if you had it running on so low fuel for a long time it gets used to it, you will need to give it time to 'unprogram' itself from starvation mode...)

you may gain fat in the short term, but in the long term you will be able to support better workouts, increase your lean muscle mass which will get your metabolism up and running again....

cut back a little on the cardio, hit the weights with intensity (fueled by a clean diet with efficent calories to support your activity).... it will take a while, but you'll reach your goals... in the short term you need to put your health before your desire for the ideal body.... it'll all pay off in the end...
 
Welcome Wavywoman!
cannot really add to anything already said, just wanted to give a word of encouragement for you.
Many times, gals do lots cardio hoping to burn fat, when developing lean muscle through resistance training will give the calories ingested 'something to do'. I first got interested in strength training when I realized I could eat more, not starve myself, look & feel better if I put on some muscle- love to eat!
After cardio ends, there is an 'afterburn'- body normally continues to burn calories at an accelerated rate for a time if metabolism is functioning properly. However, lifting weights & building muscle promotes a faster metabolism all the time- not to mention developes stronger bones. Some gals notice the scale going up & legs getting bigger when they hit the weights harder & get disillusioned- muscle is starting to build, yet the fat has not come off yet. It takes awhile for metabolism to start up efficiently again.
Enjoy the info & motivation here- hope to hear from you again soon.
Good health to you. :rolly:
 
thank you for excellent posts!

Wow! Thank you all so much for such excellent posts in such timely fashion! When I looked over my message I was like "Oh man, no one will read this, it's waaaay too long!". I type fast, and way too much.
Believe it or not, I feel that I was a much scarier person last summer-- I did weigh myself every morning naked, crazy stuff like that. Now my scale is gathering dust, although I weighed myself two or three weeks ago and found out I was hovering around 110/112ish. I was often either in a state where I was eating very religiously or binging and working out 1000 a day. I had freaky goals like 105lbs.
Well, to be realistic, I know my habits are spartan and strange. One of my problems now is that I'm becoming accostomed to eating lower. When my stomach is full and distended I'm like "Shit! Now I have to walk 3 miles!"
Sometimes I rationalize what I do by telling myself "You're not anorexic, you don't want to lose weight, and you're not eating under 1200kcal a day or eliminating important foods". However, when I step back and look at myself I know I'm teetering on a fine line that sometimes messes with my head.
Yes, I have contacted a gynocologist about my amenorrhea. She put me on 3 weeks of estrogen and a week of progesterone. I'm supposedly going to get a period within the next few days. Right now I'm really worried that it will never happen, and then who knows what kinds of tests she'll put me through!
I've been trying for the past few months to increase protein, fat (good kinds), make absolutely sure I'm getting 1500mg of calcium. I've been consistant with training my arms, I've tried doing squats very recently. I'm still a total novice though. I bought a book called "Sculpting her body perfect"--- perhaps I'll reread it and really focus on doing the exercises.
Thanks for the help!
 
I'm the same way about BF %

Okay, while we're confessing...I get the same way -- CRAZY!!! -- about my BF levels. I have panics before I get BF tested and obsessed with the number being low all the time. :bawling: I too freak out when my tummy gets distended from eating and annoy the hell out of my husband and anyone else who happens to be around at the moment. Help!
 
You people drive me CRAZY at times!! Since i love you all SO much, i post on your heart felt posts! People as WarLobo mentioned, throw away that damn scale, and take the time to set yourself up on an educated nutrition program! It ALL starts with your nutrition! Until you realize this, forget about anything else! If you are not eating at least one gram of protein per each pound of your bodyweight, your body stays in catabolic stage! That means in short you are spinning your wheels and it's dangerous! Please educate yourselves, and be healthy!! Much love!!
WarLobo, you kill me! Learn to do squats!! LOL!!!!
 
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Yeah, I *think* I'm finally getting it...

My monthly "friend" that is. I'm sure most of you would really rather not know that information, but I'm glad that the hormones my Dr. put me on worked!
I've read in some places that amenorrhea can be exacerbated by not getting enough protein, cholesterol and fat in the diet.
Getting enough protein has been one of my major concerns lately. I'm convinced that I generally don't get enough. Here are some foods that I'm trying to incorperate into my diet:
fish-- salmon, mahi mahi, tuna, halibut, shark
other seafoods- crabmeat, shrimp (easy to get in supermarket)
poultry- chicken breasts (are those boneless ones in the bag REALLY four or five ounces? They seem huge!) Lean sliced turkey.
beans-- I love these, wish I could think of new ways to cook them besides with rice
yogurt-- I already eat yogurt every day, but it does have protein in it
eggs- I mainly make hardboiled b/c it's difficult to make them scrambled/cooked without using lard or oil.
red meat- sad to say it, but I really don't like red meat. Typical woman, eh? Although after two weeks of no red I crave a hamburger.
As far as fats go, I generally have a tbsp or two of peanut butter a day.
Here is an example of what I had yesterday:
3/4 cup fiber one (90cal) I'm a freak who won't eat ceral with milk normally.
canteloupe (40)
yogurt (100)
1tbs peanut butter (100)
5 whole wheat crackers (60)
sm. can albacore tuna (90)
2tsp light mayo (30)
1 whole wheat tortilla (90)
plum (40)
skim hot chocolate w/ splenda (100)
stir fry shrimp w/ vegetables (200)
rice (200)
yogurt lowfat/cherries (200)
daily calories-- appx 1340
My diet now is probably more "balanced" than it was a year ago when I ate mostly carbs every day. :eek2: The odd situation I find is that eating more protein has probably made my overall calorie intake lower. It has also forced me to learn how to cook. For example, I used to have a bowl of pasta for lunch, or a bagel, or snack on pretzels. Then I'd wonder why my skin looked like shit and my mouth was sore and gums were bleeding. During the past winter I constantly snuck extra baggies of oatmeal, extra bowls of cereal, carb-laiden desserts like scones :rolleyes: . Now that I'm eating more protein for lunch on a regular basis, I'm satisfied with less. :confused: I desire less carbs, too. The 200 for the rice is probably an inflated number since I didn't serve myself a lot of it. I understand many people on here don't like to eat any fruit or any carbs, but since I'm not trying to lose a ton of body fat I'm not really focused on that.
Sorry for my incessant rambling. :nerd: Any advice is welcomed, and I'm pleased to see some really good quality responses to my post! :D
 
Wavy,

I know what you mean about eating mostly carbs - your body just craves more of them, you feel like crap most of the time, and no matter what you do at the gym, there's little progress.

Like you're doing, once I started adding in more protein, things started improving. I didn't feel hungry all the time, my energy improved, and my workouts improved. Things got even better when I added in Omega 3 fats (good fats) like Flaxseed oil. None of this happened overnight though. My diet was so screwed up, I had to take one step at a time (and a few steps backwards sometimes), but all those steps forward have added up!

Remember, not all carbs are bad. You still need carbs for energy and brain function. But stick with carbs that have a lower glycemic index - so your blood sugar won't be on a roller coaster.

I've found that I do best on a 40/40/20 plan - 40% protein 40% carbs and 20% fat. It's not that exact everyday, but that's about what I aim for. The main thing is your body needs fuel, whether you want to burn fat, build muscle, or both. When calories are too low, the body will burn muscle instead of fat.
 
My recommendations for your diet:

Replace all but one serving of the fruit with dark green veggies, like spinach, broccoli, green beans, etc.

Keep the oatmeal and rice (or replace rice with 1 red potato) but replace all the other carbs (i.e. crackers, tortilla) with equivalent calorie servings of chicken breast or turkey breast.

That little bit of tuna and shrimp isn't nearly enough protein for you, in my opinion. I would also throw in a whey protein suppliment shake once a day.

I think your problem with feeling like when you gain weight it goes straight to cellulite/fat on your tummy will be improved greatly when your muscle tone picks up. I know a couple vegetarians who have pretty low bodyfat levels but they look soft and flabby because they don't get enough protein to keep the muscle tone up to par. If you really hate chicken and turkey breast, there are a few vegetarians on the board who can help you pick non-meat alternatives to get your protein up. (...are you listening, girls?)

Back off on the cardio, try doing only 30 minutes per day. Start working with weights 3 days a week instead of (or in addition to) the cardio. Get some help in learning how to do the exercises with the weights safely if you aren't real familiar with them.

Good luck!!! Let us know how it goes! :)
Fennec
 
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