Mr. X, Ulter (Clarifications on my PCT - Test E/Dbol)

[markus18]

Hi Mr. X,

Thank you for the help in planning out my first cycle. I'm about to start on June 1st...can't wait, so excited. Sorry, if I'm such a stickler...I'm trying to get everything properly prepared for this first cycle.

Wk 1 - 10 - 500 mg Test Ethanate/E4D
Wk 1 - 4 - 30mg Dianabol/day (to kickstart)

PCT (7 - 10 days after last Test shot)

Clomid, 4 weeks PCT
Day 1-3: 300mgs ED
Day 4-7: 200mgs ED
Day 8-15: 100mgs ED
Day 16-30: 50mgs ED

Nolvadex PCT 6 weeks 20-40 mg/ed??

Start of PCT HCG usage, 500IUs ED for 10 days?


DIET - *18 = 2520 CAL. 315G PROTEIN, 189G CARBS, 56G FAT

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1) By adding in Dbols, is my PCT still the same?

2) I've decided not to take the Arimidex to maximize my gains. I don't mind now the water retention & bloat. If I retain to much water, then I will consider taking it. Does this change my PCT?

3) Is taking Nolvadex PCT 6 weeks 20-40 mg/ed at the same time as I start Clomid?? (how many mgs/day and 6 wk duration right?)

4) To be on the safe side, I'm thinking of adding HCG.

Start of PCT HCG usage, 500IUs ED for 10 days? Is HCG neccessary, or just overkill? I'd rather err on the side of caution.

To recap, my new PCT :

PCT (7 - 10 days after last Test shot)

Clomid, 4 weeks PCT
Day 1-3: 300mgs ED
Day 4-7: 200mgs ED
Day 8-15: 100mgs ED
Day 16-30: 50mgs ED

Nolvadex PCT 6 weeks 20-40 mg/ed??

Start of PCT HCG usage, 500IUs ED for 10 days.

 

[Ulter]

Your idea that leaving out Arimidex will maximize your gains is wrong. I agree you shouldn't use Arimidex; you should use AIFM from the first day of the cycle until your 6 weeks past your last shot. But to not use an AI for that cycle is flat out wrong. Your sides from all that estrogen are a lot more than just a water retention. Your blood pressure will skyrocket, you will gain a lot more fat, and it ruins what could be a great cycle for you.
Also that's WAY too much clomid. You should use 100mg/day for a week and then 50mg/day for another week.

 

[markus18]

Your idea that leaving out Arimidex will maximize your gains is wrong. I agree you shouldn't use Arimidex; you should use AIFM from the first day of the cycle until your 6 weeks past your last shot. But to not use an AI for that cycle is flat out wrong. Your sides from all that estrogen are a lot more than just a water retention. Your blood pressure will skyrocket, you will gain a lot more fat, and it ruins what could be a great cycle for you.
Also that's WAY too much clomid. You should use 100mg/day for a week and then 50mg/day for another week.

1) So no Arimidex like Mr. X had suggested? Why, too weak?

2) I can also get British Dragon Aromasin 20mg tablets here for AIFM.
Should I take 1 20mg Aromasin tab/day until 6wks after my last shot?

3) The original Clomid dosage was recommended by Mr. X..so too much?

4) And how about the Nolvadex at 20-40mgs/day for 6wks at start of PCT?

5) What about HCG? needed? dosage/duration?

Thanks Ulter for the advice but all this conflicting info is getting me more confused.

 

[Ulter]

1. yes
2. yes
3. way yes
4. yes
5. 1000iu/day for ten days.

 

[tbolking]

wow thats alot of clomid!

 

[markus18]

1. yes
2. yes
3. way yes
4. yes
5. 1000iu/day for ten days.

Ok, lemme see if I got this right :

PCT (7 - 10 days after last Test shot)

20mg Aromasin tab/day until 6wks after my last shot

Clomid, 2 weeks PCT
Wk 1 - 100mg/day
Wk 2 - 50mg/day

6 weeks - Nolvadex 20-40 mg/ed

Start of PCT HCG usage, 1000IUs ED for 10 days.


1) Originally, I read 500IU's HCG ED for 10 days, so now 1000IU's? Isn't that a lot?

 

[Ulter]

You can skip the nolva if you're using Aromasin.
I thought you wanted to save money and use nolva instead for PCT. If you're willing to use it throughout then you're better off.

No, 1000iu/day for ten days is exactly what my prescription reads.

 

[markus18]

You can skip the nolva if you're using Aromasin.
I thought you wanted to save money and use nolva instead for PCT. If you're willing to use it throughout then you're better off.

No, 1000iu/day for ten days is exactly what my prescription reads.

How about if I just run the nolva during the cycle and use the Aromasin for the last 6 wks of PCT?

Thanks again!

 

[Mr.X]

DIET - *18 = 2520 CAL. 315G PROTEIN, 189G CARBS, 56G FAT
your goals are???

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1) By adding in Dbols, is my PCT still the same?
yes, it can stay the same

2) I've decided not to take the Arimidex to maximize my gains. I don't mind now the water retention & bloat. If I retain to much water, then I will consider taking it. Does this change my PCT?
take 1mg arimidex during 1-4, and you can drop down to .5mgs of arimidex ED for the rest of the cycle. You should mind too much water retention and possible breasts (i.e. gyno)

3) Is taking Nolvadex PCT 6 weeks 20-40 mg/ed at the same time as I start Clomid?? (how many mgs/day and 6 wk duration right?)
you can add nolva to your PCT, wk1-2: 40mgs ED, week 3-4: 20mgs ED

4) To be on the safe side, I'm thinking of adding HCG.

Start of PCT HCG usage, 500IUs ED for 10 days? Is HCG neccessary, or just overkill? I'd rather err on the side of caution.
you don't need HCG IMO, but if you go for it - 500IUs ED for 10 days is fine. If you want to add something, go with IGF-1 for 2-4 weeks, but HCG is really not needed

 

[Mr.X]

I am a believer in the "better be safe then sorry" way of doing things.
You're better off doing the right PCT from the start and making sure you recover right away - no need to take risks.


I reworked this for you.

Clomid and nolva, 4 weeks PCT
Day 1-3: 300mgs ED
Day 4-7: 200mgs ED
Day 8-15: 100mgs ED
day 8-15: 40mgs nolva ED
Day 16-30: 50mgs ED + 20mgs nolva ED


Wk 1 - 10 - 500 mg Test Ethanate/wk (split into mon/thur shots 250mg/each)
Wk 1 - 4 - 30mg Dianabol/day (to kickstart)
wk 1-4 - 1mg arimidex ED
week 5-11 - .5mgs arimidex ED