Ketogenic Diets

[da big thinker]

I am presently working on a project w/ a few of my friends trying to figure various effects on the body by using ketogenic diets...For those of you who have used such diets,what were your experiences...as far as loss of bodyfat,energy levels,hard to follow,etc...basically,give me your results and experiences (good or bad)...thank you for taking the time to help a bro out...---fyi

 

[gymrat]

I used this type of diet for four weeks

starting weight 183ish

at the end of the four weeks i was under 170.

1. I found the quick weight loss rewarding enough to keep going.

2. i had a headache almost all the time.

3. my energy leves were just fine.

4. shiiiiits were rare (i should of been taking a fiber supplement)

5. i was not to fond of eating so much fat.

6. I would use this diet again, if i were four-five weeks out of competition.

7. Use a carb up period to replinish your self. I use a 24 hour method.


it's a descent diet, but pretty hard. When i finished after four weeks i did not SLOWLY introduce my cabs back in, but i don't think i've gained all the fat back (most in the ab area )

 

[da big thinker]

thx bro...excellent...just what i was looking for...bump for some more experience...

 

[PwB]

This probably isn't typical of most peoples experiences w/ Ketogenic Diets but I'll give u my experience so u can get both sides of the coin. I cannon lose fat on this diet. I've given it a serious shot over the span of 2 years, on several occasions. I've done higher cals, lower cals, 0 carbs and sweeteners, 30g carbs, etc. But Every time I eat a high fat meal I get bloated and always look worse the next day, fat around my waist. The odd thing is I have excellent energy on them, I'm not tired and can lift weights w/ no problem, but I can't lose bodyfat. Just like they say, no one plan works for everyone.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Have you already looked at Lyle McDonald's BodyOpus diaries. They are very detailed. You can find them at:
www.solid.net/lowcarb

I've done CKD's a number of times myself. First time I did one it took a good 3-4 days to get into ketosis, during which time I was pretty stupid(Well, more than normal) and had a hard time thinking and concentrating. During subsequent iterations of the diet I went into ketosis typically within 24 hours. When I go into ketosis there is brief period(2-3 hours) of euphoric feelings, but these pass. While in ketosis I personally have very little energy, lfiting makes me feel nauseous, and all I can think about is carbs. Hunger tends to be very blunted and I've previously made the mistake of simply not eating(Very stupid.) or having a piece of swiss cheese with mayonnaise as a meal(Again, moronic.) On the weekends I did a moderate carb-up(400-500g of carbs) for 1 day before returning to under 30g of carbs a day. Weightloss was significant two of the times I did the diet, almost certainly because I was barely eating. When I did follow Lyle McDonald's recommendation of 75% of calories coming from fat I lost little to no weight. Using a 50/50 split of protein and fat(grams not calories) seemed to work much better for me and I was able to pretty much maintain my muscle mass. However, doing a CKD for me is unbearably unpleasant so I am currently using a cyclical isocaloric diet which isn't all that difficult for me to stick with and seems to work just as well(McDonald has changed his thinking on CKD. Apparantly, ketosis is not inherently muscle sparing unless one is on starvation calories; t's actually the carb-ups that are important.) Hope that helps.

 

[da big thinker]

thx for your replies...and thx for the site blood...---fyi

 

[mikeb23]

McDonald has changed his thinking on CKD. Apparantly, ketosis is not inherently muscle sparing unless one is on starvation calories; t's actually the carb-ups that are important.

Can you elaborate please? Thanks. Peace.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Can you elaborate please? Thanks. Peace.

Okay, perhaps you've heard of something called leptin. It has been called the master switch for weight-loss. Going prolonged periods on submaintenance calories depresses leptin levels. Eating 20-50% above maintanance calories for a day will help to restore leptin levels--provided they have not been *severely* depressed. These calories should be primarily from glucose and glucose polymers + starches as these are best in restoring leptin. Fructose and fat should be minimal. Protein at about 1lb per bodyweight. This is pretty much how the carb-up in a CKD works, and this is the reason a CKD preserves muscle mass better than most other diets. Ketosis is actually not muscle sparing unless one is on starvation calories, e.g. 800 cal, so many are currently recommending using a isocaloric diet with a carb-up(aka refeed) every 3-4 days. For more detailed info look at:
www.avantlabs.com

There are several articles on the subject by Par Deus in Big Motherfucke. This has been my primary source of info. Also search MFW and this board for more info.

 

[gymrat]

Great info thanks bro


Gymrat123

 

[mikeb23]

Thanks Blood&Iron. Peace.