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I wish I were a doctor ...

PICK3 said:
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if you did.. make sure you get accepted into a research program..

and you know you can't really operate on yourself, if you don't why waste the time and money on school??
 
So your saying you wish you could:

piss away 12-15 years of your life when your buddys are out partying and having the time of their lives

nobody looks up to you anymore, and everybody thinks they know as much as you cuz they can google

be in 200-300k debt when your done

watch part of your income get cut 10% every couppla years with medicare

have people assume that your life is all pussy and roses when its far from it

get period blood on you (seems like a hot topic lately)

have it guaranteed that you'll be sued atleast once, but probably multiple times

I could go on and on.........if these things are okay with you then you could get to do the coolest job on the face of the earth. I wouldnt trade it for anything. Well there is one person, errrrr thing.........
 
malpractice insurance rates would skyrocket if "dr. pik3" was onboard.
 
they only make bank if they are specialized like plastic surgeon or dermatolgist.
A regular family dr makes less than 120 grand yr.
Well up here anyways

My homeopath (well ex homeopath) makes over 300 grand a yr, but she also owns a school. Her private practive alone brings her more than 150 grand a yr.
She charges $175 an hr
An ND (naturopath) makes about the same
 
chris302001 said:
So your saying you wish you could:

piss away 12-15 years of your life when your buddys are out partying and having the time of their lives

nobody looks up to you anymore, and everybody thinks they know as much as you cuz they can google

be in 200-300k debt when your done

watch part of your income get cut 10% every couppla years with medicare

have people assume that your life is all pussy and roses when its far from it

get period blood on you (seems like a hot topic lately)


have it guaranteed that you'll be sued atleast once, but probably multiple times

I could go on and on.........if these things are okay with you then you could get to do the coolest job on the face of the earth. I wouldnt trade it for anything. Well there is one person, errrrr thing.........
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Well no ... I don't want to go through all that bullshit.

I just want to have someone kiss me on both cheeks, then put a piece of paper in my hand and call me Dr. PICK3 :)
 
blueta2 said:
they only make bank if they are specialized like plastic surgeon or dermatolgist.
A regular family dr makes less than 120 grand yr.
Well up here anyways

My homeopath (well ex homeopath) makes over 300 grand a yr, but she also owns a school. Her private practive alone brings her more than 150 grand a yr.
She charges $175 an hr
An ND (naturopath) makes about the same
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The key word is specialized. You can make bank is almost any specialty cept pediatrics and geriatrics.

It's about 150 down here......And that's why there's a mass exodus from primary care. I plan to do locum tenens after residency and make a little over 3 times that to pay off my loans. Then settle back a bit for less pay and better QOL. But it isnt about the money. Never has been and never should be......
 
me too so i can eat a bunch of messican and cum get a prostate exam
 
chris302001 said:
The key word is specialized. You can make bank is almost any specialty cept pediatrics and geriatrics.

It's about 150 down here......And that's why there's a mass exodus from primary care. I plan to do locum tenens after residency and make a little over 3 times that to pay off my loans. Then settle back a bit for less pay and better QOL. But it isnt about the money. Never has been and never should be......
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I agree, if one is becoming a doc to make money, then they are not going to be all that great of a doc.

I didn't know you were in med school. right on! My friend gets her PHD in 2 weeks but she's into research. Lots of schooling.
 
blueta2 said:
I agree, if one is becoming a doc to make money, then they are not going to be all that great of a doc.

I didn't know you were in med school. right on! My friend gets her PHD in 2 weeks but she's into research. Lots of schooling.
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Yep yep. And when I get older, I think it would be cool to set up an antiaging clinic. Who know's what kind of things we will be able to do by then!
 
Smurfy said:
Great movie. I was named after the main female character
I even have a theme song named after me from that movie (beautiful song BTW)
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i dont remember a character named smurfy in that movie! lol
 
MightyMouse69 said:
my students have to call me Dr. :) I laff.
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Why laugh>? YOu earned it.
Although when I was in grad school, all my profs were PhDs and we typically called them by their first names at their own request.
 
Smurfy said:
Why laugh>? YOu earned it.
Although when I was in grad school, all my profs were PhDs and we typically called them by their first names at their own request.
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I work in medicine duh, not history
 
Smurfy said:
Why laugh>? YOu earned it.
Although when I was in grad school, all my profs were PhDs and we typically called them by their first names at their own request.
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I felt so honored after finishing my pharmacology class this year and I was talking to Dr. Krishna and he said, "Wait wait wait......I'm not your professor anymore. We're colleagues Call me Roy."
 
chris302001 said:
I felt so honored after finishing my pharmacology class this year and I was talking to Dr. Krishna and he said, "Wait wait wait......I'm not your professor anymore. We're colleagues Call me Roy."
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that is how it works with us - its actually inappropriate and frowned upon to call you by your first name.

You are a PharmD? I'm an Epidemiologist.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
that is how it works with us - its actually inappropriate and frowned upon to call you by your first name.

You are a PharmD? I'm an Epidemiologist.
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Yeah Psychologists are different/ Unless they're full of themselves, they typically go by their first name and not "doctor"
 
MightyMouse69 said:
that is how it works with us - its actually inappropriate and frowned upon to call you by your first name.

You are a PharmD? I'm an Epidemiologist.
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this was in a casual setting......and nope, not a pharm D....

Didnt you have to take pharm classes? How long ago did u graduate? :worried:
 
chris302001 said:
this was in a casual setting......and nope, not a pharm D....

Didnt you have to take pharm classes? How long ago did u graduate? :worried:
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I was in the class of 2001, and I actually did a bunch of pharmacokinetics for an antisense compound at one time :)

Thanks Smurf, I still take out the garbage :)
 
chris302001 said:
The key word is specialized. You can make bank is almost any specialty cept pediatrics and geriatrics.

It's about 150 down here......And that's why there's a mass exodus from primary care. I plan to do locum tenens after residency and make a little over 3 times that to pay off my loans. Then settle back a bit for less pay and better QOL. But it isnt about the money. Never has been and never should be......
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I've been tossing the idea of Radiology ever since becoming a rad tech. Being a tech to me has become such an underachievement which I didn't think would happen. It was nowhere near challenging which is where my passion for being a Radiologist started to materialize. Speaking with the Rad's at work, they said it's the hardest specialty to get into outside of Dermatology because of the relative cakewalk it is (once you enter the workforce not during school of course) since if you're not doing interventional, you have a Mon-Fri 8-5 job unlike other areas.

Since I already have a wife and a daughter, such a task would be incredibly hard but there have been many that have done such a thing before. I know the odds would be heavily stacked against me but if I actually convinced myself to dedicate the time and effort needed, I could do it. It's convincing myself that's the bitch
 
Delinquent said:
I've been tossing the idea of Radiology ever since becoming a rad tech. Being a tech to me has become such an underachievement which I didn't think would happen. It was nowhere near challenging which is where my passion for being a Radiologist started to materialize. Speaking with the Rad's at work, they said it's the hardest specialty to get into outside of Dermatology because of the relative cakewalk it is (once you enter the workforce not during school of course) since if you're not doing interventional, you have a Mon-Fri 8-5 job unlike other areas.

Since I already have a wife and a daughter, such a task would be incredibly hard but there have been many that have done such a thing before. I know the odds would be heavily stacked against me but if I actually convinced myself to dedicate the time and effort needed, I could do it. It's convincing myself that's the bitch
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But do you want to do rads? I mean......no offense, but it sounds boring to me.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
I was in the class of 2001, and I actually did a bunch of pharmacokinetics for an antisense compound at one time :)

Thanks Smurf, I still take out the garbage :)
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Very cool. So do you teach preclinicals then?
 
chris302001 said:
Very cool. So do you teach preclinicals then?
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I teach a full epidemiology course to Occ. Doc residents(typically working on an MPH so they can do research).

that is only like 5% of my job, we can talk offline another time.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
I teach a full epidemiology course to Occ. Doc residents(typically working on an MPH so they can do research).

that is only like 5% of my job, we can talk offline another time.
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Ahhhh cool. I'd like that alot.
 
chris302001 said:
But do you want to do rads? I mean......no offense, but it sounds boring to me.
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Yea man I love it. I can see the potential of getting burned out if all you're doing is reading but I would definitely go the interventional route.

With the importance of radiology nowadays primary and even many specialists rely 100% on the Rad's to give them their diagnosis. From just my personal experience, more and more doctors go fishing instead of actually trying to diagnose their patients clinically. They'll order any and all tests that may show something instead of doing differential's it seems.

I like the fact that I would be that person telling the doctors what is wrong with their patients. That way, I seem to have more of a role in helping the patient rather then being in the background like Rad's were in the past. That's where the much more interesting aspect of interventional comes in to play. You're playing surgeon(sort of) without the crazy schedule of one. Sure, if you work at a large hospital, you're gonna get called in a lot, but a smaller hospital such as the one I work at, they rarely come in. Of course it's only minor procedures such as angio's, IVC placement, biopsies, etc but from what I've seen, I would really enjoy it.

Outside of the fact that I actually like it compared to most, it offers the option of only reading if I would like a more standard Mon-Fri type job which I'm sure I would do eventually.
 
Smurfy said:
Why laugh>? YOu earned it.
Although when I was in grad school, all my profs were PhDs and we typically called them by their first names at their own request.
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Its weird cause, they promote an open mind thinking in being able to develop an ability to move across several viewpoints and see a pattern that my be therapeutic. However, the Dean has requested everyone be addressed as Dr.
 
Delinquent said:
Yea man I love it. I can see the potential of getting burned out if all you're doing is reading but I would definitely go the interventional route.

With the importance of radiology nowadays primary and even many specialists rely 100% on the Rad's to give them their diagnosis. From just my personal experience, more and more doctors go fishing instead of actually trying to diagnose their patients clinically. They'll order any and all tests that may show something instead of doing differential's it seems.

I like the fact that I would be that person telling the doctors what is wrong with their patients. That way, I seem to have more of a role in helping the patient rather then being in the background like Rad's were in the past. That's where the much more interesting aspect of interventional comes in to play. You're playing surgeon(sort of) without the crazy schedule of one. Sure, if you work at a large hospital, you're gonna get called in a lot, but a smaller hospital such as the one I work at, they rarely come in. Of course it's only minor procedures such as angio's, IVC placement, biopsies, etc but from what I've seen, I would really enjoy it.

Outside of the fact that I actually like it compared to most, it offers the option of only reading if I would like a more standard Mon-Fri type job which I'm sure I would do eventually.
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So your talkin more of interventional rads then trad rad?
 
chris302001 said:
So your talkin more of interventional rads then trad rad?
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yea like I said, I would probably get burned out pretty fast if all I was doing was reading. The traditional rad's still do exams but nothing that is anywhere near as interesting as interventional. Actually, none of the procedures that the traditional rad's do are that interesting. Hell most try their hardest to get out of doing them (who really wants to do a barium enema on a 90 year old patient that can't even hold in their own stool or make them drink liquid chalk so they can chuck it back at you in the form of aerosol?) LOL

So yea, interventional all the way at least for a while. I can definitely see the pro's of only reading though as long as I enjoyed it even a little because as soon as something loses its' luster to me, I have to move on. Once I get up in age, I could definitely see sitting back in my office chair reading exams making decent money as a good road to retirement
 
Delinquent said:
I've been tossing the idea of Radiology ever since becoming a rad tech. Being a tech to me has become such an underachievement which I didn't think would happen. It was nowhere near challenging which is where my passion for being a Radiologist started to materialize. Speaking with the Rad's at work, they said it's the hardest specialty to get into outside of Dermatology because of the relative cakewalk it is (once you enter the workforce not during school of course) since if you're not doing interventional, you have a Mon-Fri 8-5 job unlike other areas.

Since I already have a wife and a daughter, such a task would be incredibly hard but there have been many that have done such a thing before. I know the odds would be heavily stacked against me but if I actually convinced myself to dedicate the time and effort needed, I could do it. It's convincing myself that's the bitch
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My brother is as radiaton oncologist, did his training at MD Anderson In Houston, we are night and day... he's tall, I'm short... had to add this, but he is phenomenal with numbers, i'm phenomenal. j/k... radiology is a very competitive field,however, they are projecting a huge need for doctors by 2012 and an actual shortage believe it or not... so yeah, u may wanna pursue this.
 
-Ariel- said:
My brother is as radiaton oncologist, did his training at MD Anderson In Houston, we are night and day... he's tall, I'm short... had to add this, but he is phenomenal with numbers, i'm phenomenal. j/k... radiology is a very competitive field,however, they are projecting a huge need for doctors by 2012 and an actual shortage believe it or not... so yeah, u may wanna pursue this.
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That's one thing that I don't understand and maybe Chris or MM could jump in since they would definitely know more than me. I definitely agree with the shortage but what I don't understand is that from speaking with the Rad's, it seems that it's extremely hard to even be accepted in to the school. From that, it seems that either there aren't enough schools or they severely limit the amount of students they accept?

How many students are generally in a class during Med school? Is the number kept low because the amount of material covered is better taught to a smaller class? If there is such a shortage especially for American doctors, why don't the schools allow larger class sizes.

Again, I am completely ignorant when it comes to med school so you guys would probably be the best people to ask here
 
The best parts of being a doctor are:

Seeing naked women.
Sometimes getting away with a traffic ticket.

That's what a doctor friend of mine tells me.
 
LoneTree said:
The best parts of being a doctor are:

Seeing naked women.
Sometimes getting away with a traffic ticket.

That's what a doctor friend of mine tells me.
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My uncle, who is internal meds, but works as ER doc as well got pulled over and told the cop that he was late for the ER, the cop gave him a ticket, and my uncle told him that if he were ever to go to the ER in his hospital needing treatment, the joke was gonna be on him.
The cop called the administrator and my uncle had to hear how inappropriate he was, however, he didn't get chewed out, just admonished slightly.
They don't get out of tickets anymore.
BTW, my uncle didn't mean it, he would help anyone ever who came in needing it... but hotheads say what hotheads say.
 
-Ariel- said:
My uncle, who is internal meds, but works as ER doc as well got pulled over and told the cop that he was late for the ER, the cop gave him a ticket, and my uncle told him that if he were ever to go to the ER in his hospital needing treatment, the joke was gonna be on him.
The cop called the administrator and my uncle had to hear how inappropriate he was, however, he didn't get chewed out, just admonished slightly.
They don't get out of tickets anymore.
BTW, my uncle didn't mean it, he would help anyone ever who came in needing it... but hotheads say what hotheads say.
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+1
 
Delinquent said:
That's one thing that I don't understand and maybe Chris or MM could jump in since they would definitely know more than me. I definitely agree with the shortage but what I don't understand is that from speaking with the Rad's, it seems that it's extremely hard to even be accepted in to the school. From that, it seems that either there aren't enough schools or they severely limit the amount of students they accept?

How many students are generally in a class during Med school? Is the number kept low because the amount of material covered is better taught to a smaller class? If there is such a shortage especially for American doctors, why don't the schools allow larger class sizes.

Again, I am completely ignorant when it comes to med school so you guys would probably be the best people to ask here
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class size is about 60-as much as 250 i think. MY class size was 135. Medical school is hard. Really hard. But class size doesnt really matter I dont think. There's a shortage of primary care b/c people cant go into primary care and even pay off their loans. If they made medical school more affordable, it would help a lot with the percieved shortage. Other specialties have a surplus.
 
Delinquent said:
yea like I said, I would probably get burned out pretty fast if all I was doing was reading. The traditional rad's still do exams but nothing that is anywhere near as interesting as interventional. Actually, none of the procedures that the traditional rad's do are that interesting. Hell most try their hardest to get out of doing them (who really wants to do a barium enema on a 90 year old patient that can't even hold in their own stool or make them drink liquid chalk so they can chuck it back at you in the form of aerosol?) LOL

So yea, interventional all the way at least for a while. I can definitely see the pro's of only reading though as long as I enjoyed it even a little because as soon as something loses its' luster to me, I have to move on. Once I get up in age, I could definitely see sitting back in my office chair reading exams making decent money as a good road to retirement
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Not when all of this is outsourced to India.....its started to happen already and I doubt it slows down...

Good luck if you decide to persue interventional. Tough stuff to get!
 
-Ariel- said:
My uncle, who is internal meds, but works as ER doc as well got pulled over and told the cop that he was late for the ER, the cop gave him a ticket, and my uncle told him that if he were ever to go to the ER in his hospital needing treatment, the joke was gonna be on him.
The cop called the administrator and my uncle had to hear how inappropriate he was, however, he didn't get chewed out, just admonished slightly.
They don't get out of tickets anymore.
BTW, my uncle didn't mean it, he would help anyone ever who came in needing it... but hotheads say what hotheads say.
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That is why my post said 'sometimes'.
Your uncle was inappropriate. Even more inappropriate (actually, unprofessional) to say 'joke will be on you'.
An Illinois Chief Justice of Supreme Court tried to get away with speeding ticket by telling the cop who he was. He almost got impeached.

A sensible doctor would be courteous, and after giving his excuse, leave it to the cop to give the ticket or not.

Instead of arguing with the cop, he could have used that defence with the judge.
 
chris302001 said:
Not when all of this is outsourced to India.....its started to happen already and I doubt it slows down...

Good luck if you decide to persue interventional. Tough stuff to get!
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The problem with that is medicare won't cover any exam that is read outside of the US. Maybe this has changed since the last time I talked to people about it but with the explosion of teleradiology, medicare finally had to speak up because it was being outsourced to Australia and India so they couldn't verify the legitimacy of the doctors reading them.

Have you heard anything about this?
 
Delinquent said:
That's one thing that I don't understand and maybe Chris or MM could jump in since they would definitely know more than me. I definitely agree with the shortage but what I don't understand is that from speaking with the Rad's, it seems that it's extremely hard to even be accepted in to the school. From that, it seems that either there aren't enough schools or they severely limit the amount of students they accept?

How many students are generally in a class during Med school? Is the number kept low because the amount of material covered is better taught to a smaller class? If there is such a shortage especially for American doctors, why don't the schools allow larger class sizes.

Again, I am completely ignorant when it comes to med school so you guys would probably be the best people to ask here
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Radiology is actually getting easier to match into as long as you go to a decent US school.

By far, the three hardest specialties to get are Plastics, Derm and ENT. This is mostly because of lifestyle and really good money.
 
blueta2 said:
I agree, if one is becoming a doc to make money, then they are not going to be all that great of a doc.

I didn't know you were in med school. right on! My friend gets her PHD in 2 weeks but she's into research. Lots of schooling.
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Chris wasn't agreeing with that a little while back from what i remember of our NHS debate.
 
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