I need a history lesson on the Israelies and Palestinians

[dballer]

who cares if there wasn't a palistanian nation ever, millions of people got kicked out of their homes and put in stinking refugee camps, where they are still there to this day. give me a break.

There was a land called Palestine... I think it was 1948 that WE kicked them out and turned it into Isreal.. and gave them a license to slaughter Palestinians.

 

[dballer]

good info from both sides. Thank you.

I just figured I better get really familiar with this situation as I'm headed back into the military.

This thread is about to cause a Elite war....

 

[frorider6]

HEY! Chill the fuck out! I wanted this to be a civil thread.

 

[primetime21]

oooh, calling me a fuckhead. Clearly, you have honed your debating skills.

I will not stoop to name calling. I will say this, there are many other arab nations with tons of open land. And many of these arab nations are filled with palestinians. WHy cant there be 1, thats it, just 1, jewish nation??? does your hate for jews run so deep? Israel is willing to give palestinians a country. THe offer at camp david was according to every reasonable person. It is not israels fault that arafat turned it down. he is NEVER getting anything more. And may end up with less.

There was as much a palestine like there was a "american india" in north america. And how many indians blow themselves up in your gym or supermarket? American indians have lived in poverty for generations and are frustrated, yet they dont teach their kids to blow themselves up. Under arafats logic, they should.

 

[Y_lifter]

The land known as Israel was last owned by the british and was given to the Jews after WWII by the UN as an Official State.

I believe the common understanding between the 2 are:

Israel is a UN recognised nation and is not going away any time soon.
The Palestinian people want Israel to go away. Nothing less!

hence the quandry....

 

[primetime21]

Quiting dballer:
" There was a land called Palestine... I think it was 1948 that WE kicked them out and turned it into Isreal.. "
- first off, you have yet to show me a map with the name palestine covering what is now israel. You want to know why youcant? because there never was. Palestinians did live there, but it was not a nation. so nice try. Of course you will come back with "BUT THERE WAS!!!" and i wont respond to vague remarks unsupported by history.

And again why do arabs need 15 countries and israel cant have any? what do you propose dballer? DO you thinkthe camp david agreement was fair? or do you want israel to give up all of israel?

 

[Lao Tzu]

fourth, that middle east report is a propaganda report by pro-palestinian backers. TAke it for what its worth, nada

its always been my policy to get suspicious when 95% of the public has the same opinion as their government. That is usually a sign that something isn't right. So, naturally, i am more open to anti-israel info than most.

also, a sizeable percent of the reports in the "Little-Known News Stories about Israel:" section of that website i put up are from the BBC homepage, and they would naturally be reliable.

 

[the nature boy]

here's some more resources, it's very hard to find objective venues of information on this topic frorider

pro isreal

http://www.aipac.com/

pro-arab

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

 

[dballer]

does your hate for jews run so deep? .

Typical!!!

Why is it if you speak out against Isreal you get this type of slander??

I will resort to name calling when you resort to slander.

 

[the nature boy]

Typical!!!

Why is it if you speak out against Isreal you get this type of slander??

I will resort to name calling when you resort to slander.

racist!!!