HCG late in PCT?

[ego boner]

I am in my PCT- been running clomid for about 3 weeks now, and just picked up a nice little amp of HCG . the 5000 iu kind. I only got 1 small vial of bact water to mix it with. I have 2 questions:

1. Will starting up HCG this late in my PCT have any adverse effects?

2. Since I have only 5000 iu and a small amount of bac water, should I do the method of 1200-1500 iu shots every 3-4 days?

Thanky much,

EGO!

 

[nydj66]

How long was your cycle?

The problem with using H-C-G now is that it will inhibit your hypathalamus and pituitary. The only way I would use the H-C-G is if your cycle was long and your testes still feel small. And then you will still need to run clomid for 3 weeks after the H-C-G is done.

 

[ego boner]

How long was your cycle?

The problem with using H-C-G now is that it will inhibit your hypathalamus and pituitary. The only way I would use the H-C-G is if your cycle was long and your testes still feel small. And then you will still need to run clomid for 3 weeks after the H-C-G is done.

How so? explain further

 

[nydj66]

How so? explain further

H-C-G will cause your testes to produce testosterone, the increase in testosterone will trigger the hypothalamus to reduce output of GHRH, this will in turn reduce output of LH and FSH from the pituitatry.

After 3 weeks of Clomid, your LH levels are probably back to normal. Taking H-C-G now drives that process backward so you would need to repeat the Clomid therapy.

If your cycle was very long, then your testes might be atrophied which would make them take longer to recover (even though LH levels are normal). So in that case it might be worth it to take the backward step in P-C-T.

 

[ego boner]

H-C-G will cause your testes to produce testosterone, the increase in testosterone will trigger the hypothalamus to reduce output of GHRH, this will in turn reduce output of lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - from the pituitatry.

After 3 weeks of Clomid, your LH levels are probably back to normal. Taking H-C-G now drives that process backward so you would need to repeat the Clomid therapy.

If your cycle was very long, then your testes might be atrophied which would make them take longer to recover (even though LH levels are normal). So in that case it might be worth it to take the backward step in P-C-T.

that doesnt explain HOW hcg drives the process in reverse.

any other responses from others on this?--- I'm not doubting you. I just want more than one opinion

 

[centy]

I agree, sort of, with nydj66. You would be tinkering with a negative-feedback loop. By taking the hCG this late in your cycle, you would throw a wrench in the works. Your testes would produce a spike in test which would cause your HTPA to get silly. You want this effect at the beginning of PCT, not now. (Think about what would happen if you took a little test right now - you'd be headed backwards, not fwd.)

I would say save the hCG till your next cycle. (Or even better, after it.)

BTW, why do you ask? i.e. Are you thinking that PCT was unsuccessful? Do you feel shutdown?

 

[ego boner]

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[centy]

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From Wikipedia entry for HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - :

In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (anabolic androgenic steroids) cycles.

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis (hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - ). High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy.

In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.




So basically, this late in your PCT - post cycle therapy - , it seems that hCG would be counter-productive.

 

[ego boner]

From Wikipedia entry for HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - :

In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (anabolic androgenic steroids) cycles.

When anabolic androgenic steroids are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis (hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - ). High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - ). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy.

In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.




So basically, this late in your PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , it seems that hCG would be counter-productive.

i havent used it in my pct yet-- it doesnt make sense that it would be counterproductive. Based on the info 1. i havent used it too long obviously OR 2. i havent used it in too high of dosage.
There is nothing that states that it would have negative feedback when only clomid has been used to this point.

 

[centy]

Let me put it this way: Let's say you were not on a cycle and everything was normal. Then, you start shooting HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . This would cause your nuts to produce more testosterone than normal. Our bodies like homeostasis (balance.) So your brain would pick up the batphone and call down to the balls: "Holyshit boys - there's way too much test in the blood. Shutdown for a while."

What we are saying here is that you are several weeks into your PCT - post cycle therapy - . If your body is responding like it should be, your natural testosterone production (theoretically) should be on the rebound, and the use of hCG is not indicated at this point. If you do, your nuts aren't going to fall off or anything. Also, you haven't said why you want to use it at this point in your PCT?