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I agree with you 100%. When I was about 3 weeks out from my show in May, I weighed around 175, but I was built like Dexter Jackson. People at my gym would always ask me how much I weighed, I always told them the truth, and they would not believe me. Everyone said I looked like I was over 200! That's nuts!
I agree with most of what was said in the article. People always email me and ask me what AS I take and how I eat. I dont have a problem giving away any information because there are no secrets in this game, but there are, however, limits to your genetic potential. Will I look like Ronnie Coleman or Flex Wheeler if I take the same exact AS they use? Of course not, never. I realized this a long time ago, and other people need to do the same.
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me2dammit said:
I agree with you 100%. When I was about 3 weeks out from my show in May, I weighed around 175, but I was built like Dexter Jackson. People at my gym would always ask me how much I weighed, I always told them the truth, and they would not believe me. Everyone said I looked like I was over 200! That's nuts!
I agree with most of what was said in the article. People always email me and ask me what AS I take and how I eat. I dont have a problem giving away any information because there are no secrets in this game, but there are, however, limits to your genetic potential. Will I look like Ronnie Coleman or Flex Wheeler if I take the same exact AS they use? Of course not, never. I realized this a long time ago, and other people need to do the same.
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I once heard a pretty good body builder (he won the show) backstage talking to a really poor genetic body builder said after the guy asked him 100 questions about how he got where he did IE: diet, training, drugs, ect... He said to this kid after being nice for a long time. "If ,when you were up in heaven and God was getting ready to send you down to your mommas belly, If at that time he did not put it into you, No diet, training, or DRUG will give it to you. If you do not have it , you do not have it." I have to agree. This was a good post! I am not saying give up gear if you do not have great genes but astronomical doses are not the answer. Use them to be better...just do not kill yourself in the process!
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This post makes me feel bad. When ever I talk to other guys at the gym, or reply to some posts, I always go in with the assumption, that if I could improve, they could too. I guess this really isn't the case. Maybe that now makes me a liar?
I always thought I was meant to be a skinny tall guy. Until I found weights, then the small waist, height, and nice shoulder width, paid off. I figured it was awesome, but nothing special that I put on 40lbs of muscle my first 8/10months of training, natural. I guess I didn't really think much into it, until I realized at one point I had 27 1/2 inch thighs, I only squatted 225, and it wasn't fat. I guess some people have it, some don't.
But what do I tell my sisters boyfriend, who weights 180 6'4 soaking wet, no matter what he does, or eat? What do I tell the kid at the gym who asks me what to do to get lats like mine, etc, etc? I guess it feels shitty that you can only help people so much, and only so much advice can work for people.
I do however have hope that EVERYONE can improve and become the best person they can be, if they give it their all. I refuse to ever lose belief that a person can change their body, and make themselves feel better about themselves.
As for the guy walking around the gym like he is Mr. O? Let him be. He is at every gym. Usually he isn't harming anyone, so let him live in his dreams. Just because some of us have certain 'gifts' doesn't mean we have to be dicks about it....
I always thought I was meant to be a skinny tall guy. Until I found weights, then the small waist, height, and nice shoulder width, paid off. I figured it was awesome, but nothing special that I put on 40lbs of muscle my first 8/10months of training, natural. I guess I didn't really think much into it, until I realized at one point I had 27 1/2 inch thighs, I only squatted 225, and it wasn't fat. I guess some people have it, some don't.
But what do I tell my sisters boyfriend, who weights 180 6'4 soaking wet, no matter what he does, or eat? What do I tell the kid at the gym who asks me what to do to get lats like mine, etc, etc? I guess it feels shitty that you can only help people so much, and only so much advice can work for people.
I do however have hope that EVERYONE can improve and become the best person they can be, if they give it their all. I refuse to ever lose belief that a person can change their body, and make themselves feel better about themselves.
As for the guy walking around the gym like he is Mr. O? Let him be. He is at every gym. Usually he isn't harming anyone, so let him live in his dreams. Just because some of us have certain 'gifts' doesn't mean we have to be dicks about it....
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genetics is one thing. but not only does this seperate the elite from the rest, but 95% people lack heart. They dont have the mental drive and guts to put themselves through the pain barrier. they lift like pussies, naive to thinking that one day they will look like the MM model. Ive trid to push many friends into weights, after working out, every single one of them lacked the motivation and drive it takes to push your body above and beyond the threshold. needless to say i never went back to the gym with them again.
my point is genetics is much neuro as it is muscular. IMO
my point is genetics is much neuro as it is muscular. IMO
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The vast majority of the problem of not living and seeing things in reality is the direct result of muscle media and BS people like Joe Weider. Professional BBer's are sponsored by these type of hypocritical entrepreneurs.
Yes they are juiced to the gills, yet they are advertised along side of their products pushing in ur face the fantasy of getting huge and ripped by using their expensive supplements and training principles. It's totally immoral in my opinion. When Joe Weider meets God he is going to have a lot to answer for.
So rather than blame the victim, how about having a look at the bigger picture and see what is really happening out there. These magazines have a profound impact upon a young impressionable mind. When I was a teenager I was influenced by it. But later as I realised what was going on, I actually became very disgusted and disappointed with the sport of bodybuilding, and ceased from buying anymore BS magazines.
Bodybuilding offers many benefits, physical and social and emotional. But the sport of bodybuilding and the inherent abuse of drugs have rendered it very unhealthy.
Again I would just ask, don't blame the victim for his or her illusionary perception, but rather look critically at the socially constructed expectations of what a bodybuilder is suposse to look like and the associated lies and deception that is spawned by the muscle media and bodybuilding promoters at large.
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Yes they are juiced to the gills, yet they are advertised along side of their products pushing in ur face the fantasy of getting huge and ripped by using their expensive supplements and training principles. It's totally immoral in my opinion. When Joe Weider meets God he is going to have a lot to answer for.
So rather than blame the victim, how about having a look at the bigger picture and see what is really happening out there. These magazines have a profound impact upon a young impressionable mind. When I was a teenager I was influenced by it. But later as I realised what was going on, I actually became very disgusted and disappointed with the sport of bodybuilding, and ceased from buying anymore BS magazines.
Bodybuilding offers many benefits, physical and social and emotional. But the sport of bodybuilding and the inherent abuse of drugs have rendered it very unhealthy.
Again I would just ask, don't blame the victim for his or her illusionary perception, but rather look critically at the socially constructed expectations of what a bodybuilder is suposse to look like and the associated lies and deception that is spawned by the muscle media and bodybuilding promoters at large.
Pace
The message I got from this is that, while we should all strive to improve and be the best we can be, don't spend all of your money on roids and your time in the gym if your genertics do not enable you to get a fair value of benefit from the money and time invested.
Lee Haney was Mr. O after training for 5 stinking years. Dennis James STARTED training at 18 and won his first show at 19.
I have average to slightly below average genetics and have to constantly struggle to not let an unattainalbe dream consume me.
Lee Haney was Mr. O after training for 5 stinking years. Dennis James STARTED training at 18 and won his first show at 19.
I have average to slightly below average genetics and have to constantly struggle to not let an unattainalbe dream consume me.
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Gambler said:
"The message I got from this is that, while we should all strive to improve and be the best we can be, don't spend all of your money on roids and your time in the gym if your genertics do not enable you to get a fair value of benefit from the money and time invested."
nicely summerized, very nicely, some bros took it as an insult
I think this genetics thing is made out to be way more complicated then it has to be:
In any sport...from the 100m sprint to chess some people just have natural talent. That is was genetics is referring to , some people are simply pre-disposed and built to be better for some sports then others. Bodybuilding is no exception , some bodies have natural bodybuilding talent in terms to muscle gain , fat loss , bone structure and muscle shape that are better then average. It is an accepted truth that the average human will NEVER be as good in basketball as michael jorden , or as fast as micheal johnson , or hit as hard as mike tyson no matter how hard you train and how long you work. It isn't meant to discourage anyone but that is nature and it is something you need to accept in life. It in no way means you shouldn't try or improve , by all means reach your full potential and become the best YOU can in whatever sport you have a passion for... but in bodybuilding as in other sports some people have natural ability (genetics) to become great and better then average.
It doesn't mean with average genetics you can't be huge , ripped or a successful champion bodybuilder... it may mean it will take you longer and require more work and maybe some guys at their best will always beat you but look at Frank Zane , Lee Lambrada , and to a certain extend Dorian Yates ( who everyone would agree he didn't have the best shape ever ). These guys were huge successes without the best genetics and they are all champions , successes and happy with their lives. Compare that to the guys with the best genetics ever: Sergio Oliva , Flex Wheelter , Paul Dilleit , and Victor Richards and i don't see anything they have that the other guys don't when it's all said and done...
In any sport...from the 100m sprint to chess some people just have natural talent. That is was genetics is referring to , some people are simply pre-disposed and built to be better for some sports then others. Bodybuilding is no exception , some bodies have natural bodybuilding talent in terms to muscle gain , fat loss , bone structure and muscle shape that are better then average. It is an accepted truth that the average human will NEVER be as good in basketball as michael jorden , or as fast as micheal johnson , or hit as hard as mike tyson no matter how hard you train and how long you work. It isn't meant to discourage anyone but that is nature and it is something you need to accept in life. It in no way means you shouldn't try or improve , by all means reach your full potential and become the best YOU can in whatever sport you have a passion for... but in bodybuilding as in other sports some people have natural ability (genetics) to become great and better then average.
It doesn't mean with average genetics you can't be huge , ripped or a successful champion bodybuilder... it may mean it will take you longer and require more work and maybe some guys at their best will always beat you but look at Frank Zane , Lee Lambrada , and to a certain extend Dorian Yates ( who everyone would agree he didn't have the best shape ever ). These guys were huge successes without the best genetics and they are all champions , successes and happy with their lives. Compare that to the guys with the best genetics ever: Sergio Oliva , Flex Wheelter , Paul Dilleit , and Victor Richards and i don't see anything they have that the other guys don't when it's all said and done...
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