Cyclical Isocaloric Diet? Opinions? (Par Deus)

[MonStar1023]

Cyclical Isocaloric Diet? (Par Deus)

I am wondering if you could explain this type of diet of give all us Elite members the link to where we can find it. I have seen a bunch of your posts where you talk about what an excellent diet it is compared to a CKD etc.. please help us all out!

 

[MonStar1023]

BUMP for Par Deus or anyone else that knows about a Cyclical Isocaloric Diet.

 

[Blood&Iron]

I'm trying this diet right now. I don't believe Par Deus has written too much specifically on the diet, but he has written an article on manipulating leptin levels. He also briefly touches on how this can be achieved through diet, and this is the basis, along with some of his other comments on this board, for what I'm currently doing. The article is the first is a series. It can be found at

http://www.avantlabs.com

in the current issue of BigMotherfucker. It's a bit theoretical, but worth the read.

My simple explanation(hopefully I don't butcher things too badly):
Leptin is the master switch for weight loss. Dieting lowers leptin levels. Having periodic refeeds of 20-50% above maintainance calories(This should be 1g protein per lb of weight, minimal fat, and the rest high-glycemic stuff, mostly sugars and their polymers, e.g. dextrose, maltodextrin, etc) will help to restore leptin levels.

I've been doing 2 days isocaloric, 1 day refeed. I've been on the diet only 1 week. It seems I've restricted calories too far since I lost 3lbs the first week, but my strength levels have, in some instances, actually gone up. I'm also using ECA.

 

[MonStar1023]

Blood&Iron-
Whatsup bro? Wow I am glad to hear the someone is actually giving this diet a run through. You said that your doing 2 days of isocalories (below maintenance) and then 1 day of refeeding... How many calories are you taking in on the the lower calorie phases? I am just wondering becuase I weigh around 225 so my maintenance is around 3200 I think or somewhere near there.

Also with training what is your routine like? Are you training on the refeeding days? Also what about cardio?

Sorry for all the Qs but PLEASE help me out bro. Just like you I have read the Leptin article which was definitely a good read. I wish it was more specific as to how many days to underfeed and how long to overfeed etc.

HELP!


Par Deus-
Please help me out bro. I am curious as to how many calories I should be takin in on the underfeeding and the overfeeding phases. I am also curious what type of cycle I should do? (how many days each under/over feeding)... also what about training and cardio? Do you recommend cardio first thing in the morning? What about training? How often, etc. Trying to really burn as much bodyfat as possible!!

 

[HarmsWayBC]

At 225 lbs, 3200 cals would not be enough....you probably maintain your weight with that amount on an active day.......I was 165 and refeeding on 4000 cals or more after 3 days of 2000 cals when I was following Par Deus' principles.....

However, this was my experience...i think you need to experiment.

 

[Par Deus]

Do a Google search for it on the misc.fitness.weights newsgroup.

We discuss it a bit there.

I have not experimented with it or even thought about it from a theoretical standpoint beyond what is discussed there.

Anyone who wants to cut and paste what I have had to say on it is welcome to.

But, there just is not much definite to say beyond "isocaloric version of a TKD" -- and info on a "TKD" and "isocaloric" is widely available with a bit of research.

ParDeus
www.avantlabs.com

 

[Hoffmeister]

Monstar, this is basically what I'm doing now, and what I did last spring/summer.

I'm only about 165, so the numbers are low. As for percentages, I guess it's around 40/30/30. I'm currently doing about 2200 a day, with above 4000 refeed on Saturday (Thrusday this week).

When (if) I go below 2000, I'll add a second refeed on Wednesday.

I think I went overboard on lifting/cardio before. This time, I'm treating it like a CKD; Upper Monday, Lower Tuesday, Full Body Friday. Thursday, I do about 20 min of intervals and abs.

I was pretty pleased with the results last summer, and so far right now it's going well.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Monstar1023-
I'm just experimenting at this point, but I'll tell you what I'm doing. I started the diet at 217lbs. I am eating ~3000cal on diet days(250g protein, 250g carbs, 110g fat) My training schedule is:

Monday: Chest, Shoulders
Tuesday: Cardio
Wednesday: Back, Biceps, Traps
Thursday: Cardio
Friday: Legs, Abs
Saturday: off
Sunday: Cardio

On training days, I try to get most of my carbs earlier in the day, and taper them off towards evening to almost nothing. A typical pre-bed meal is 8oz baked salmon with 2 cups of fibrous vegetables. The next morning I eat breakfast, sans carbs, and then do my cardio. I actually think I approach ketosis by the end of my cardio as I get the tell-tale fruity, metallic taste in my mouth. I don't try to line up refeed days with anything in particular. I'm sticking to 2 days dieting, 1 day refeed and letting things fall where they may. I'm not paying so much attention to calories on the refeed days but am trying to get at least 700-800g of carbs--mostly things like Ultra Fuel, baked potatoes, pasta, etc--200g protein, with a moderate amount of fat(probably 60-70g)

Comments welcome...

 

[toga22]

On training days, I try to get most of my carbs earlier in the day, and taper them off towards evening to almost nothing.

I have a couple questions concerning this diet, also....
On your training days are you eating simple or complex carbs? and How have your energy levels been as compared to a CKD diet?
Thanks for your help~

 

[Blood&Iron]

I have a couple questions concerning this diet, also....
On your training days are you eating simple or complex carbs? and How have your energy levels been as compared to a CKD diet?
Thanks for your help~

My carbs on diet days are typically as follows(not much variety unfortunately):
1/2 cup no-sugar muesli or scottish oatmeal
1 can sliced peaches or pears in fruit juice
50g dextrose/maltodextrin(post-workout)
1 meal-replacement(20g maltodextrin) with 2 cups skim-milk
2 cups mixed vegetables

Along with the smattering of carbs in things like BBQ sauce I put on my chicken, those in nuts, etc. it adds up to about 250g.

My workout days occasionally fall on refeed days, but I workout in the morning so it doesn't really affect things.

My energy levels have been much, much better than on a CKD. I'm very hungry though on the diet days.