timtim said:
none of those supps do anything for bp, i even think in the post where potassium was recommended i said that the stuff does little for it. the only things that lower bp are usually the prescription meds, weight loss, change in diet, stopping aas, cardio. your doing most but it's not enough. take a hint, the drugs are telling you something. i had the high bp from gear. the only thing that worked was dropping weight and the gear and starting over and finding what was wrong. in my case i was 220 at 5'5". too heavy and the gear was killing me. changed everything and my bp is always normal now (i still monitor it on a near daily schedule).
supps will not control bp, it's not like cholesterol. you'll need prescription drugs if you come off the gear and drop the extra weight you may have and the bp is still high. get a home monitor and keep a daily log, take 2 measurements at once 10 minutes apart 3 times a day, get an average. if your high all day, go to the doctor.
Good post. You hit on a lot of important ways to decrease BP that work well. Cardio would be my #1 priority and I would work my way up to 90% of my max heart rate which for me is 153 BPM (everyone has do their own math to find their's). Then I'd increase my cardio length and frequency to where I was getting the benefits but was not going into a catabolic state and was not overtraining. The benefits are lower BP and Lower resting heart rate. Get a good BP/HR monitor with the LARGE cuff use it 3 times a day. I take 3 readings each time 5 mins. apart and get an average and I write in my training log for reference. I do that 3 times a day. You'll know you're catabolic if you are losing muscle mass. You'll know you're overtraining as your resting heart rate wil begin to rise. (BTW you take your resting hr first thing in the morning before your feet hit the floor) On, I do 1 hr of cardio per day in the morning at a heart rate of 153 BPM or more 5 times per week.
Next dose down, especially if you're doing anything like test, tren or others that have bad BP reps until you get this better because your numbers 135/90 can be easily be brought down to 120/80 or lower which is good. Use an A-I, Arimidex is very good and when you get the dosage right then it will not eliminate all the estrogen but more than enough to stop serious water retention. Nolva is not decreasing any excess estrogen.
Diet, should be spot on. Stay off or limit the fat laden meats lay off other high cholesterol foods and throw away the salt shaker, watch the salt content in your prepackaged foods that one is sickening. Continue to eat plenty of fresh fruits and veggies and use a wide variety of them. Knock off the caffeine and any other CNS stimulant like clen. And alcohol raises BP too.
Drink lots of purified water around 1 1/2 gals. per day. Smoking is a no no.
Here's where timtim and I part company, supps can and will HELP lower blood pressure that is a well studied and proven fact. I have a reference book in my office called the "Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" that I used to come up with a herbal supp program to help keep my BP in normal range on or off. My BP post cycle several years ago was around 135/90 and my doctor wanted to put me on BP meds. There are 4 types of high BP, borderline, mild moderate and severe. I was in the mild condition and so are you and you're diastolic is borderline. My BP now is 107/58 on average off and 117/68 on average on.
I experimented after pct with all the supps in the book, I posted them on another thread and there are even more, I found what seemed to work for me and I then consulted a herbalist who changed some doses, added some supps and deleted some others. Them I took that info to my md and asked his opinion and he said it made sense to him and to try it instead of the BP meds. He advocated this treatment because many BP meds have many side effects. One example is the use of beta-blockers and/or diuretics can cause fatigue, headache and impotence and in some people increase risk of heart attack.
Two quick ways that these supps work is 1.) potassium and magnesium help normalize the intracellular balance of potassium-magnesium-sodium keepin the sodium level from getting too high. 2.) many of the other supps will act as blood thinners making blood flow more easily.
Lastly try to reduce you stress levels. Gets some relaxation every day and do a little deep breathing.
I would use all these tools especially going into a cycle and continue to use them thru the cycle and beyond. All this takes experimentation, dosages for supps, cardio intensity and volume, sacrifices in diet and time and plenty of RESEARCH. This all worked for me and lots of people I know both AAS users and non-AAS users. My BP has not risen into the borderline zone once in 5 years since I have used these methods whether I was on or off.
I disagree with anyone who say supps don't work to help reduce BP. Some supps take longer to kick in than others and you have to research the dosages for effectiveness not just use recommended daily dosages what are those numbers based on? This gives you an arsenal of weapons to make sure your BP stays in check. Anyone that can't do the legwork, do the research and stay disciplined with their regimine should forget about using any AAS as you are just asking for trouble.
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