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Does anyone get bloodwork done?!?!?!
I always do but I guess this last cycle did some damage even though it was fairly light
I always do but I guess this last cycle did some damage even though it was fairly light
Bloodwork b/4 and after cycles!
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biggerthanu450
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summary of last cycleI've been using gear for 6 years on and off; sticking to time on=time off. I started out using things like winstrol and anavar when I was 20. I was naturally muscular (205 lbs @ 8% BF) before juicing, and did a combination of powerlifting and bodybuilding. I grew to 265 lbs @ 6% BF after about 5 cycles. I stay about 235-240 when natural. All my lifts stay nearly the same except bench which drops from 405x6 to 365x6 after being natural for 3 to 4 months.
My last cycle went like this (by far the heaviest I've ever done)
(Weeks 1-6) Bulk cycle
test enanthate 300 mg/wk
deca 500mg/wk
fina 50mg/EOD
test prop. 50mg/EOD
(Weeks 6-10)
15 mg/day oxandrin (anavar) to "bridge"
(weeks 10-16)
Test prop 50mg/EOD
Winny 50mg/EOD
Fina w/DMSO 80mg/ED
clen 20 to 60 mcg/day
weeks 16-20
HCG 1000 IU administered ED for 5 days followed by clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks then I took tribulus and ZMA (hoping but not really thinking they'd do much)
Bloodwork done after being "off" for over 15 weeks!
Testosterone 148 ng/ml (normal is 300 -1000)
Free Test 5.5 ng/ml (normal is 3 to 25)
My BUN and creatine were also slighty high, but that's probably b/c I consume over 500gr protein/day and lots of creatine.
Has anyone had a similar experience with their test levels not returning to normal. If they continue to stay low I'm taking supplemental test for the rest of my life! This seems to be my only option.
My last cycle went like this (by far the heaviest I've ever done)
(Weeks 1-6) Bulk cycle
test enanthate 300 mg/wk
deca 500mg/wk
fina 50mg/EOD
test prop. 50mg/EOD
(Weeks 6-10)
15 mg/day oxandrin (anavar) to "bridge"
(weeks 10-16)
Test prop 50mg/EOD
Winny 50mg/EOD
Fina w/DMSO 80mg/ED
clen 20 to 60 mcg/day
weeks 16-20
HCG 1000 IU administered ED for 5 days followed by clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks then I took tribulus and ZMA (hoping but not really thinking they'd do much)
Bloodwork done after being "off" for over 15 weeks!
Testosterone 148 ng/ml (normal is 300 -1000)
Free Test 5.5 ng/ml (normal is 3 to 25)
My BUN and creatine were also slighty high, but that's probably b/c I consume over 500gr protein/day and lots of creatine.
Has anyone had a similar experience with their test levels not returning to normal. If they continue to stay low I'm taking supplemental test for the rest of my life! This seems to be my only option.
devilinlee
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Wow! do you just have to accept the fact that after you do a cycle, your natural test levels will be that low until you do another cycle? (forever)? or do some of you have experience with them returning to normal?
biggerthanu450
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My test levels usually get into the low 400s after being off for a few weeks, but I've had 3 blood test after this last cycle and the it was consistently below 150.
I think everyone just assumes their test will go back to normal after a cycle with Clomid.
My testicles are large and my libido is fine, so there are no outward signs.
I think everyone just assumes their test will go back to normal after a cycle with Clomid.
My testicles are large and my libido is fine, so there are no outward signs.
Just had a bloodtest. Been "off" for 16 weeks. Test level at the very low end of normal. Unfortunately, I don't have an earlier number to compare it to. Keep in mind that the normal spread for test levels is wide, so you should look at it in terms of comparison to earlier levels, not so much in absolute terms.
biggerthanu450
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when I was 19 my test level was 860. That's probably why I made such rapid gains when I was young. I'm 26 now and will probably maintain a level of around 800 or 900 by supplementing with androgel.
Triple J
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I have been having blood and saliva sampling performed over the last 6-8 months. I have a good doctor who helps me out with hormone like issues, for most normal stuff like colds or whatever I have a health plan doc. My hormone doc uses these saliva tests and the health plan doc has given me a couple blood tests. So far the results from the two types of tests have been roughly in sync. The bloodwork is more detailed in that it shows total and free Test, too.
Well, I need to put this into context I think so, this is going to read like a diary:
I turned 42 in Nov last year. I got saliva work done around mid August last year that showed me in the lower end normal range. I had been training clean and working my ass off so I kind of thought I was stressed and the reading was not a surprise from that perspective. My DHEA levels were very low. I was weighing around 204.
Around late September, I did a prohormone cycle. I got real good results from about a six week stretch of 1AD and gained a solid 10 pounds and lots of strength and energy, and just looked good and hard. But then after that, instead of cleaning out, I basically transitioned into something I was thinkin would just be sort of a bridge. It was a mix of androdiol and nor - at any rate that stuff did nothin for me beyond the 1AD, just ended up shutting me down and when I finally went clean I crashed pretty hard - got sick, depressed, limp dick, etc. It seems I have been recovering ever since.
I had had readings at three times since - at the end of the above cycle readings were high (I still had the prohormones in my system around end of November), then I crashed hard and my levels came back low normal, or about 1/3 what they had been when "on" (this was about December 27), and finally Feb 7 saliva test after a course of Clomid, Arimdex, Deprenyl, and DHEA - levels are all high!! I can't believe it because I have been feelin so shitty - well turns out I had a low grade sinus/respiratory infection since late December. I am taking another round of antibiotics and starting to finally feel like my old self.
The one interesting thing that has been consistent about my results is my DHT always stays low normal to maybe normal, even if T and E have gone high!! I think this is one of the reasons I liked 1AD because it is highly androgenic. Well I have some Proviron on hand now which should address that issue if and when I decide to start using it.
I think I want to test again in a month or two - I am a little skeptical of my last results, but after I get fully over this bug I will be bustin my ass in the gym to see if my performance can follow those latest readings.
Well, I need to put this into context I think so, this is going to read like a diary:
I turned 42 in Nov last year. I got saliva work done around mid August last year that showed me in the lower end normal range. I had been training clean and working my ass off so I kind of thought I was stressed and the reading was not a surprise from that perspective. My DHEA levels were very low. I was weighing around 204.
Around late September, I did a prohormone cycle. I got real good results from about a six week stretch of 1AD and gained a solid 10 pounds and lots of strength and energy, and just looked good and hard. But then after that, instead of cleaning out, I basically transitioned into something I was thinkin would just be sort of a bridge. It was a mix of androdiol and nor - at any rate that stuff did nothin for me beyond the 1AD, just ended up shutting me down and when I finally went clean I crashed pretty hard - got sick, depressed, limp dick, etc. It seems I have been recovering ever since.
I had had readings at three times since - at the end of the above cycle readings were high (I still had the prohormones in my system around end of November), then I crashed hard and my levels came back low normal, or about 1/3 what they had been when "on" (this was about December 27), and finally Feb 7 saliva test after a course of Clomid, Arimdex, Deprenyl, and DHEA - levels are all high!! I can't believe it because I have been feelin so shitty - well turns out I had a low grade sinus/respiratory infection since late December. I am taking another round of antibiotics and starting to finally feel like my old self.
The one interesting thing that has been consistent about my results is my DHT always stays low normal to maybe normal, even if T and E have gone high!! I think this is one of the reasons I liked 1AD because it is highly androgenic. Well I have some Proviron on hand now which should address that issue if and when I decide to start using it.
I think I want to test again in a month or two - I am a little skeptical of my last results, but after I get fully over this bug I will be bustin my ass in the gym to see if my performance can follow those latest readings.
