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ATTN: Huck or Fonz! Specific DNP question.
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I'm going to have to disagree with shorter DNP cycles = less supercompensation.
What works best (for this human, at least) is to wait until I can no longer feel the heat from eating carbs before carbing up (although you would think this is somewhat intuitive).
When this happens, I begin consuming, as Huck and Fonz said, glucose polymers (or non-fructose carbs).
With three days at a dose like 1000-600-400, your carb stores are going to be depleted... And after eating that same low carb, Pepsi diet as I do for a few more days to wait for the heat to go down, your glycogen stores are surely shot, even if you don't complete a depletion workout (which you should) before carbing up.
The EXTENT of your depletion or the effect of your supercompensation has nothing to do with ATP. ATP concentrations in cells don't change that much.. EVEN on DNP.
However, what DOES affect the over-all effectivness of your carb up is- hitting the weights before beginning, and keeping the quality of your carbs (and fats and proteins) up on the compensation.
Andy
What works best (for this human, at least) is to wait until I can no longer feel the heat from eating carbs before carbing up (although you would think this is somewhat intuitive).
When this happens, I begin consuming, as Huck and Fonz said, glucose polymers (or non-fructose carbs).
With three days at a dose like 1000-600-400, your carb stores are going to be depleted... And after eating that same low carb, Pepsi diet as I do for a few more days to wait for the heat to go down, your glycogen stores are surely shot, even if you don't complete a depletion workout (which you should) before carbing up.
The EXTENT of your depletion or the effect of your supercompensation has nothing to do with ATP. ATP concentrations in cells don't change that much.. EVEN on DNP.
However, what DOES affect the over-all effectivness of your carb up is- hitting the weights before beginning, and keeping the quality of your carbs (and fats and proteins) up on the compensation.
Andy
Fonz said:
I love you, Fonz.. I don't even have to put an effort into debating you since you contradict yourself.. YOu do all of the work for me.
(Don't make me dig these threads up)
Back in the day when the guru was around, I was the only one who said you should NOT deplete carbs before DNP.. You said ...
"oh.. NO! YOu HAVE to deplete carbs before DNP otherwise your body will burn all of it's glycogen BEFORE it gets to burning fat!!!"
Well, it's probably news to you that an average 70kg man has fuel reserves of some 1600kcal in glycogen.
So, if you still believe that DNP burns it's glycogen stores before fat, you might want to re-think that.. Pick a side.. You either burn the glycogen before fat OR your glycogen stores will not be depleted after three days on DNP..
Which is it?
Actually, it's neither.. DNP causes in increase in glucagon and decreases insulin. Insulin tells your cells to store glycogen. In it's absence, your body won't store glycogen, but will rely more on fat for fuel..
However, slowly, your glycogen stores will be depleted.. And, in actuality, if one were to do a 1000-600-400 cycle (as I have found), your MUSCLE glycogen stores are done after day three.
This alone will result in some degree of supercompensation.. However, resistance training up-regulates insulin receptors locally in muscle cells. What this means is that doing a 'depletion' workout primes muscles to up-take of glucose and storage of glycogen. Actually, calling it a "depletion" workout is misleading.. Your stores are already depleted... This is really a glucose-uptake PRIME workout.
Does this make sence at all?
Andy13 said:
Where have you been? I retracted the 3-day carb-depletion
statement long time ago. I did however come up with
the 1-day carb-load following the 3-day depletion in order to
normalize T4-T3 conversion and therefore have sufficient T3 to last the DNP cycle. It was included in George's DNP inferno cycle.
An yes, I think the 3-day DNP cycle works and is quite good.
But for the average/normal user its a bit crazy.
Fonz
Fonz said:
What's the point of the three day carb depletion? We're talking 1600 Kcals worth of glycogen here..
What I have found is that the general 'like-shit' feeling you get when on DNP has a lot to do with lethargy.. ..from depleted glycogen stores!
I think we agree that the heat can be controlled with proper dietary choices (although it becomes inevitable with perpetual DNP use).
That's why I like my ultra short cycles so much... You can take a lot of DNP in 1-2 days and not feel nearly as bad as the same amount over 7 day... The fat loss, however, is the same..
Again, (as with other posts) I nearly forgot to write the intuitive (at least you would think) disclaimer that newbies shouldn't do high dose cycles.
Andy
