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As you are coming to the end of a great cycle and your gains wind down its all to common for all of us to think to ourself (man this really sucks its that time again). Our cycle is in its last few weeks and thoughts shift from gaining to just trying to maintain.
Some of us may have used hcg during cycle well others chose to use it after. Some of use will be using clomid and or nolva others will use sustain alpha,test recovery stack or what have you.
The point is we are all riding out the end of our cycles with recovery on the brain.
Maybe its time we all take a second look at pree pct. More importantly pree pct using a compound that will not only help us to get one step closer to recovery, but also add more gains at the end of a cycle!!!!!!
proviron step up to the plat!!!!
It is commonly believed that taking androgens for extended periods of time will lead to what is called AR "down regulation"
wrong!!!!!!
There is no scientific evidence to date that shows that increased levels of androgens down regulates the androgen receptor in muscle tissue
In fact there is good evidence that androgen receptors increase in numbers in response to androgens.
Lets face it most pro's never come off aas. SO then if the statement that long periods of aas use down regulates the androgen receptor in muscle tissue were true. Why the hell do these big bastards just keep getting bigger. There androgen receptors should be shot to shit by now right? 50000mg of test should not do a thing for them right? Wrong!!!!!
There androgen receptors don't down regulate and they sure in hell don't lose them. In fact they have A hell of a lot more
androgen receptor then the rest of us IMO.
SO what is the reason for the lose or slow down in gains?
Well imo its simple. Your body will always work to reach homeostasis. The facilitation/ incorporation of one hormone will suppress the production of another. The suppression of one hormone will facilitate the production of another blah blah blah and what have you.
When taking aas we are raising test levels. Raising test levels raises estrogen levels and raises shbg as well. They all rise and they all get into a pushing and shoving match over control of receptors/serum levels and the like. All the wile Your receptors are just sitting around waiting to be told what to do.
So what does taking proviron, at the end of a cycle have to do with any of this.
Keep in mind this is only if you were not already using them during the whole cycle!!!!
lets go back the the point that The facilitation/ incorporation of one hormone will suppress the production of another. The suppression of one hormone will facilitate the production of another and or inhibit the effects of another. You know the pushing and shoving match.
The androgen receptor is where all the magic happens. What is in the receptor or telling the receptor what to do is the type of magic you will get.
will call free test and dht good magic (increased muscle grown and nutrition retention) estrogen progesterone grey magic (has some use but do not want it to high) and shbg black magic (ooo that evil bitch never does anything good).
At the end of a cycle you have what? High levels of test,estrogen,shbg and some times progesterone. What else? more then likely low levels of FREE TEST.
So what do this compound do at the end of a cycle that can give more gains. Well
1.It high affinity for binding to the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme responsible for converting all that good testosterone in your body into all that nasty estrogen)
2. Proviron also binds very well to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin& a hormone responsible for reducing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body!!!!
3. it has little depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels, and has been shown in some studies to even raise lh to some degree.
4 It has been shown to produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormone, gonadotropins or PRL.
So starting proviron 2-3 weeks before a cycle is over and using
up till before pct can be effective in many was. Lowering shbg estrogen and progesterone well raising free test,dht and allowing them to win the shoving match. All well causing no more repression to serum FSH and LH levels.
It is IMO that adding proviron in this way to the end of a cycle can add more gains and make recovery that much more easy for us all.
Have fun and discus this topic.
increases the metabolic rate
Some of us may have used hcg during cycle well others chose to use it after. Some of use will be using clomid and or nolva others will use sustain alpha,test recovery stack or what have you.
The point is we are all riding out the end of our cycles with recovery on the brain.
Maybe its time we all take a second look at pree pct. More importantly pree pct using a compound that will not only help us to get one step closer to recovery, but also add more gains at the end of a cycle!!!!!!
proviron step up to the plat!!!!
It is commonly believed that taking androgens for extended periods of time will lead to what is called AR "down regulation"
wrong!!!!!!
There is no scientific evidence to date that shows that increased levels of androgens down regulates the androgen receptor in muscle tissue
In fact there is good evidence that androgen receptors increase in numbers in response to androgens.
Lets face it most pro's never come off aas. SO then if the statement that long periods of aas use down regulates the androgen receptor in muscle tissue were true. Why the hell do these big bastards just keep getting bigger. There androgen receptors should be shot to shit by now right? 50000mg of test should not do a thing for them right? Wrong!!!!!
There androgen receptors don't down regulate and they sure in hell don't lose them. In fact they have A hell of a lot more
androgen receptor then the rest of us IMO.
SO what is the reason for the lose or slow down in gains?
Well imo its simple. Your body will always work to reach homeostasis. The facilitation/ incorporation of one hormone will suppress the production of another. The suppression of one hormone will facilitate the production of another blah blah blah and what have you.
When taking aas we are raising test levels. Raising test levels raises estrogen levels and raises shbg as well. They all rise and they all get into a pushing and shoving match over control of receptors/serum levels and the like. All the wile Your receptors are just sitting around waiting to be told what to do.
So what does taking proviron, at the end of a cycle have to do with any of this.
Keep in mind this is only if you were not already using them during the whole cycle!!!!
lets go back the the point that The facilitation/ incorporation of one hormone will suppress the production of another. The suppression of one hormone will facilitate the production of another and or inhibit the effects of another. You know the pushing and shoving match.
The androgen receptor is where all the magic happens. What is in the receptor or telling the receptor what to do is the type of magic you will get.
will call free test and dht good magic (increased muscle grown and nutrition retention) estrogen progesterone grey magic (has some use but do not want it to high) and shbg black magic (ooo that evil bitch never does anything good).
At the end of a cycle you have what? High levels of test,estrogen,shbg and some times progesterone. What else? more then likely low levels of FREE TEST.
So what do this compound do at the end of a cycle that can give more gains. Well
1.It high affinity for binding to the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme responsible for converting all that good testosterone in your body into all that nasty estrogen)
2. Proviron also binds very well to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin& a hormone responsible for reducing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body!!!!
3. it has little depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels, and has been shown in some studies to even raise lh to some degree.
4 It has been shown to produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormone, gonadotropins or PRL.
So starting proviron 2-3 weeks before a cycle is over and using
up till before pct can be effective in many was. Lowering shbg estrogen and progesterone well raising free test,dht and allowing them to win the shoving match. All well causing no more repression to serum FSH and LH levels.
It is IMO that adding proviron in this way to the end of a cycle can add more gains and make recovery that much more easy for us all.
Have fun and discus this topic.
increases the metabolic rate
